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Flying The Unfriendly Skies Of Virtually Any Airline

MayorBob.

Posted to Etcetera on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 08:47:04 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Getting there isn't half the fun.  Getting there is most of the pain -- especially if you're talking flying.  Flyers experience lost luggage.  They get stranded on runways.  They get nailed with obnoxious, hidden airline fees.  They have to pay for airline meals (which the airlines spin as "yummy").  They're subject to arbitrary changes to airline "rewards" programs.  All of these add up to making flying a royal pain -- a pain which some experts say may never go away.

Flight delays, and the impenetrable nature of most airlines in giving customers meaningful information on why the flight is late, are other examples of "dissatisfiers" for most flyers.  Flight delays, which have been reaching record levels in the US, is a pain not limited solely to US flyers.  Good that the FAA realizes something needs to be done in New York City.  Nice to see they're talking about "market-based incentives" to move the airlines in the direction of better customer service.  But, what about the rest of the nation?  What about the likelihood that the airlines are using bad weather as an all-purpose excuse to avoid having to compensate travelers for flight delays?

If the reason for the delay is beyond the control of the airline (weather being a dependable standby) you're out of luck on being compensated for a flight delay pain.  There are end runs around the airline itself to double check the next bad weather excuse you get.  One possibility is flightstats.com to see if the airline is giving you the truth.  However, consumerist.com says the airlines go to greater lengths to provide accurate information on flight delays if you check out their cargo operations.  But, never fear, as flight delays will almost disappear by next summer.  The bad news is there will be fewer flights and they'll all cost more for a ticket. I guess that's what they meant by "market-based incentives."

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by MayorBob, air travel, customer service, airline problems, flight delays (all tags)

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Higher prices maybe a good thing?

port1080.

Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 08:36:14 AM EST

5.00 (interesting)

The airline industry has received billions in government bailouts over the last few years, between the 9/11 bailouts and then the airlines dumping their pension obligations off onto the government trust fund. If we're going to be subsidizing any form of transportation, it should either be trains (best pollution to passenger ratio) or automobiles (arguably the most democratic form of transit, and certainly most common) through improvements in highway infrastructure. There is no god given right to airplane travel - if cheap, frequent flights to all destinations can't be sustained without government subsidy, then I have no problem with seeing them drop off. If the prices for flying get high enough, it might actually make rail an attractive option again (and perhaps even bring rail prices down - a lot of Amtrak's problems stem from having to run half-empty trains all the time).

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Worse than we know?

Lou.

Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 08:48:35 AM EST

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It appears that NASA conducted a study on air traffic safety.  The results were so bad it told the contractor doing the study to purge the results so that the flying public would not be unduly alarmed.

I'm not much of a flier, but I'm sure as heck alarmed now.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Lost Luggage

zyxwvutsr.

Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 11:54:08 AM EST

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It seems that every story about how airlines suck includes anecdotes about lost luggage. What I want to know is are my experiences with airlines anomalous? I mean I've never had a bag lost by an airline, and until about a year and a half ago I few a lot. (Well, enough to get silver elite status from Continental.)

Is it really common?

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bombs away!

1fastdog.

Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:42:53 AM EST

4.50 (funny, funny)

It seems that every story about how airlines suck includes anecdotes about lost luggage.

And here's another one!

A garment bag stowed on board a flight from Midway Airport made an unscheduled landing less than a mile from the airfield, federal authorities said Monday.

The bag was accidentally jettisoned from a Delta Connection plane Sunday morning when a cargo-bay door opened shortly after takeoff, according to the Federal Aviation Administration.

Somewhere in my soul, there's always Rock -n- Roll... Joe Strummer

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Re: Lost Luggage

pO157.

Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 12:01:00 PM EST

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I dunno. Back in the day I flew enough to briefly get Silver then Gold then Silver again on America West. Not much by some "frequent flyer" standards but much more than the average person. The problems seemed to be more mechanical delays and shoddy customer service than anything else. United once stranded me in Chicago's airport (arrived one night to find connection canceled, then had subsequent 5 flights canceled or rebooked) for 28 hours, so I really don't complain much unless it rises to that level.

The only time I can recall having my luggage lost was when it was misplaced by Grupo Taca, but I really cannot complain for two reasons: 1) Some people I traveled with had GT lose their luggage in both directions and 2) When it is a conglomerate of 5 3rd world countries you really have to give them some slack.

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Re: Lost Luggage

port1080.

Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 10:08:07 PM EST

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My one experience with checked luggage was pretty good, especially considering the number of transfers (this was pre-9/11, though).  Summer of 2001 I went on a university-sponsored class trip to China.  We flew from Harrisburg to Chicago on a 777, transfered to a 737 in Chicago and flew to Beijing.  Took train from Beijing to Shanghai, but didn't have to check luggage.  Flew from Shanghai to Hong Kong, stayed in Shanghai a few days, then flew from Hong Kong back to Chicago, then back to Harrisburg.  Nobody in my group had any trouble with lost luggage as far as I'm aware.  My wife took a similar trip to Central Europe (with a similar number of transfers) post-9/11, and again didn't have any luggage issues.  I think that the number of losses are probably pretty slim, but when a loss does occur it tends to make the person who's inconvenienced so upset that they'll tell the world.  People rarely broadcast praise, but you'll always hear complaints.

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