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Global Warming Activists Have A Beef With Meat Eaters

port1080.

Posted to Politics on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 10:35:50 AM EST (promoted by 1fastdog). RSS.

Environmentalists and animal rights activists have found that their causes have a surprising degree of synergy, particularly when it comes to the issue of global warming.

With all the publicity caused by Al Gore's global warming tour and subsequent Nobel Prize, even the current crop of Republican presidential candidates are willing to admit that there might be a problem.  This success has attracted the attention of animal rights groups and vegetarians, which in recent years have had difficulty getting serious coverage in the mainstream press (a problem that is, of course, partly their own doing).

There does, however, appear to be a scientific basis backing up the animal rights rhetoric.  Methane and nitrogen coming from bovine flatulence and manure have been estimated to contribute approximately 18% of greenhouse gas emissions, and the deforestation spurred by the need to create more grazing grounds further exacerbates the problem.

Does this mean that anyone who cares about the planet has to give up meat and go vegan?  Interestingly, it seems that it's not so much consumption of meat that's a problem, but rather it's the production behind beef (and to a lesser extent pork) and, perhaps surprisingly, fish (as it requires substantial usage of petroleum based fuel to catch fish from the ocean and then move them to market).  The best diets for the environment are those based on local produce and native animals, as well as "high efficiency" protein producers, such as chicken.

Tags: written by port1080, edited by 1fastdog, environmentalists, global warming, activists, flatulence, methane, science, vegetarians, animal rights (all tags)

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Greenpeace can suck my balls

gerrymander.

Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 11:21:33 AM EST

3.00 (interesting, brilliant)

I've enacted a personal rule about personal behavior changes in the face of environmental concerns: I will make no change unless a) I get a immediate cost benefit without degrading my lifestyle, or b) I can point to a significant lifestyle change which affects environmentalists at least as as much as it affects me.

So meat production might cause up to 18% of global warming, and anything causing that much of an atmospheric change needs to be addressed? OK, then: energy production from coal causes about 38% of global warming. We can reduce that to 1/20th the carbon output -- effectively reducing a third of all carbon emissions! -- by switching to all-nuclear generated power. Until Greenpeace gives up its misbegotten crusade against nuclear power, I'm not going to even consider giving up my tasty, tasty steaks and burgers.

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Re: Greenpeace can suck my balls

pO157.

Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 11:46:52 AM EST

none

I've enacted a personal rule about personal behavior changes in the face of environmental concerns: I will make no change unless a) I get a immediate cost benefit without degrading my lifestyle, or b) I can point to a significant lifestyle change which affects environmentalists at least as as much as it affects me.

You make an interesting point. Even though governments and environmental groups often espouse the benefits of recycling and living in a more environmentally friendly manner the whole thing is made as difficult, complicated and downright user unfriendly as possible. The city where I live has a ~4% recycling rate (eg 4 lbs of every 100 lbs of garbage gets recycled). Their answer to this situation? Sent out a bunch of fliers indicating that every 1% increase in recycling gives the city an extra $75,000 a year in revenue. Of course there was no statement about passing the savings on to residents and as you can imagine, living in a highly taxed state this did almost nothing to encourage people to change their habits.

What's more, the city did not give out recycling bins at the curb and requires residents to pick theirs up from "Special Interest Community Groups" (located in what I would generously refer to as 'terrifying neighborhoods'). You had to go in during a very small time window when you would normally be at work. When we picked ours up we were also to fill out a contract stating that if our garbage now contained recyclable materials we could be fined. And if your tote is stolen [crackheads do this quite a bit for some reason] and your recycling materials dumped on the ground in front of your house or you try to put your cans out in a non-approved container? You bet your ass that's a fine. And a mandatory court appearance on a work day.

So, we finally got a recycling bin, and I can say our waste generated has dropped easily 75%. The rest gets recycled. But because of all the bureaucratic barriers even those people who don't have a "what's in it for me?" attitude are easily turned off. Almost nobody recycles.

Don't even get me started about "environmentalists" who are against all nuclear power.

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Re: Greenpeace can suck my balls

port1080.

Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 12:03:17 PM EST

none

Recycling is almost as silly in Delaware.  There's absolutely no incentive - you pay a flat rate for trash pickup, so if you recycle there's no cost savings.  There's actually an extra charge for curbside pickup (the unincorporated parts of DE don't have municipal waste service, so you have to pay for private contractors to pick up your garbage, but they don't do recycling, so you have to pay extra for someone else to pick it up).  So if you want to recycle you've got to either haul it yourself to a state facility for drop off, or you've got to pay extra for someone to pick it up.  Guess how many people recycle?

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Re: Greenpeace can suck my balls

pO157.

Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 03:00:05 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

Guess how many people recycle?

Six.

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Re: Greenpeace can suck my balls

Shy Elf.

Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 11:21:15 PM EST

none

Almost everyone recycles here (Chicago suburbs).  The chief incentive appears to be that when you put out your trash to be picked up, everyone can see whether you've been recycling or not.  It's really the lack of disincentives which make this work;  there is only one recycling type with everything dumped together, making it easy to do, and the recycling is picked up weekly with the other trash.

On the other hand, for hazardous materials, including batteries, fluorescent bulbs, etc., I expect that almost nobody is recycling.  It's just too difficult to find someplace that will take them, so I expect they wind up in the regular waste stream, despite being the the place where the smallest effort could make the largest difference.

Recycling is only marginally cost-effective even at today's energy prices, especially here with the mixed recycling needing to be sorted afterwards.  I've always felt that the emphasis placed on it by the environmentalist movement is greatly misplaced.

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Re: Greenpeace can suck my balls

pO157.

Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 06:49:45 AM EST

none

Almost everyone recycles here (Chicago suburbs).  The chief incentive appears to be that when you put out your trash to be picked up, everyone can see whether you've been recycling or not.  It's really the lack of disincentives which make this work;  there is only one recycling type with everything dumped together, making it easy to do, and the recycling is picked up weekly with the other trash.

I wish I had your neighborhood. Social pressure to recycle? Man. Our neighborhood would have to work on social pressure for the following before we could even try to work on recycling.

  1. Keep the number of fire bombings to a minimum and settle gang related disputes through non-violent oral communication.
  2. Move the prostitution to Craigslist or some venue like that. I know not everybody has the internet, but do I really need to see it? Come on.
  3. Have respect for others' property and not let your illegal fighting dogs take craps on it, sit on people's flower planters, dump garbage on lawns, etc.

On the other hand, for hazardous materials, including batteries, fluorescent bulbs, etc., I expect that almost nobody is recycling.  

That's not always true. One week the geniuses a few houses down decided to recycle. The thing is they ended up trying to recycle only compressed gas (propane, I think) cylinders. Why? I have no idea. Of course the recycling people and trash people refused to take them so they sat out on the curb for weeks until some metal scrap guy picked it up.

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It'll never happen

Lou.

Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 05:06:30 PM EST

none

Greenpeace can suck my balls

Hello?  Greenpeace...vegetarians?  Duh!

(And you're welcome, btw)

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: It'll never happen

thefadd.

Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 07:33:00 PM EST

none

Maybe they can suck a vegetarian's balls instead. All they eat are vegetables. Therefore, they are vegetable...just descriptive of how little sense it makes to base your diet on political appeal in such broad strokes. Wasn't this buying things far away as automatically worse for the environment debunked by some economist last year?

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Greenpeace can suck my balls

thefadd.

Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 07:25:40 PM EST

none

You're an idiot for allowing Greenpeace to dictate your personal choices.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Greenpeace can suck my balls

gerrymander.

Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 07:34:56 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

It's not so much taking orders from, so much as a rejoinder to. Environmental advocates appear thrilled to make their concerns an ethical issue. Well, I've got my own ethics, which now includes a Green version of "lead by example."

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Re: Greenpeace can suck my balls

Shy Elf.

Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 10:46:45 PM EST

none

I really think Greepeace wants us all to live as vegetarian Amish.  I flip back and forth on whether I consider myself an environmentlist depending on whether I've heard someone from Greenpeace and their allies or a Republican speaking about the environment last.

I can remember about a decade ago, they were simultaneously advocting power-hungry desalination to solve western watern shortages while fighting just about every source of energy except solar power.

I saw press release they put out once demanding the banning of "all chloride compounds".  No more table salt for you.

They seem to have cleaned up their website to indicate that they now support both solar and wind power and always have.

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Re: Greenpeace can suck my balls

gerrymander.

Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 12:38:02 AM EST

none

I flip back and forth on whether I consider myself an environmentlist depending on whether I've heard someone from Greenpeace and their allies or a Republican speaking about the environment last.

Let me guess: each one sends you screaming in the opposite direction?

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Rabbits and balls (C-OT)

Lou.

Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 07:59:12 AM EST

none

These comments about sucking balls and eating rabbits inspires me to write about my neighbor's pet rabbit.  His name is Foo Foo (yes, that Foo Foo).  But I call him Free Range Bunny.  He escaped from his owner's house and is now living the dream.  Another neighbor has a completely lovable yet incredibly stupid Irish Setter.  That neighbor will tie the dog outside from time to time.  The bunny will then scootch up to just outside the range of the dog's chain and just sit there while the dog loses his mind.

If bunnies had middle fingers, you could see this one flipping off the dog.

That bunny has balls.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Rabbits and balls (C-OT)

MayorBob.

Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 05:30:17 PM EST

none

That bunny must be part cat.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Rabbits and balls (C-OT)

thefadd.

Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 06:04:39 PM EST

none

I hope the bunny doesn't also own stock in the company that makes the chain because that wouldn't be very smart threat distribution. Of course, I suppose it might as well go whole hog and put all its money there since if the chain breaks, it's done for anyway. Why am I writing about bunnies owning stock again?

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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