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NY Governor Does 180 On Licenses To Illegals

pO157.

Posted to Politics on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 02:42:21 AM EST (promoted by 1fastdog). RSS.

New York Governor Elliot Spitzer has rescinded his plan to give illegal aliens a drivers license, in the face of excruciating grass roots pressure which has seen his popularity drop to near President Bush levels.

Months earlier, Governor Spitzer (D-NY) was swept into office in a massive landslide victory - returning a Democrat to Albany for the first time in 12 years. Mr. Spitzer ran on a reform platform promising cuts from the high NY taxes and an end to the ubiquitous governmental bureaucracy.

His plans, however, apparently were placed on the back burner behind a new idea to give licenses to the 1 million illegal aliens in New York State by allowing foreign ID (such as a passport) to be sufficient to obtain a license for those who cannot provide a legal social security number. A revolt quickly took hold in the state, as lawmakers, citizens, homeland security officals and politicians (including almost the entire NY congressional delegation with the exception of Senator Clinton and Rep. Rangel) went on record opposing the plan. One 9/11 family member, Bruce DeCell, and a local lawmaker (Assemblyman James Conte)  referenced a similar idea in Tennessee back in 2001 which had severe unintended effects:

"Road accidents went up, illegals dropped their insurance after obtaining their auto registrations, accidents involving uninsured drivers went up, and hit and runs increased," he said.
"The governor put this out ... with no public input, hearings or legislative roundtable discussion on how this would affect public safety," Conte said. "As legislators, we're being asked by constituents what all of this means, and what we are doing now is looking for more information, and if he does not put this on hold, we will file court papers by October 31."

As he became more entrenched, the Governor fought back, giving more speeches and pleading with lawmakers and the public to allow illegals a license. This lead to a rapid drop in his approval ratings to levels generally associated with Presidents Nixon or Bush, and widespread disgust amongst the electorate. Anger intensified when it was learned Mr. Spitzer's plan could put the entire state in jeopardy of meeting the provision of the REAL ID act, thus requiring residents to get a passport for a myriad of internal domestic purposes. Mr. Spitzer announced a compromise, by stating the state would instead issue a confusing mix of three types of licenses, one for illegals, another compliant with REAL ID, and a third form for residents who frequently travel to Canada and who want an alternative to a $97 passport.

Mr. Spitzer finally caved Wednesday and announced his idea would be put on hold. The abrupt reversal came after presidential contender Hillary Clinton (D-NY) was seen as evading questions about her support for the plan.

Tags: written by pO157, edited by 1fastdog, illegal immigrants, drivers license, New York, Elliot Spitzer (all tags)

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No evading; flip-flopping

profwhat.

Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 06:07:30 PM EST

5.00 (informative, informative)

October 30:

Russert: You told the New Hampshire paper that it made a lot of sense. Do you support his plan?

Clinton: You know, Tim, this is where everybody plays "gotcha." It makes a lot of sense. What is the governor supposed to do? He is dealing with a serious problems. We have failed. And George Bush has failed. Do I think this is the best thing for any governor to do? No. But do I understand the sense of real desperation, trying to get a handle on this? Remember, in New York, we want to know who's in New York. We want people to come out of the shadows.

October 30 (later that same debate):

Clinton: I just want to add, I did not say that it should be done, but I certainly recognize why Governor Spitzer is trying to do it. And we have failed----

Dodd: Wait a minute. No, no, no. You said, yes, you thought it made sense to do it.

Clinton: No, I didn't, Chris. But the point is, what are we going to do with all these illegal immigrants who are driving?

November 1:

"Senator Clinton supports governors like Governor Spitzer who believe they need such a measure to deal with the crisis caused by this administration's failure to pass comprehensive immigration reform," her campaign said in a statement. "As president, her goal will be to pass comprehensive immigration reform that would make this unnecessary."

November 14:

"As President, I will not support drivers' licenses for undocumented people and will press for comprehensive immigration reform," she said in a statement hours after Spitzer abandoned his widely-hated proposal.

I am not going to enjoy having her as President.

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Re: No evading; flip-flopping

thefadd.

Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 06:36:40 PM EST

none

What's your point? I don't see any flip flopping there.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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You know what Brazil is like?

Steve Urkel.

Sat Nov 17, 2007 at 03:04:05 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

I'm delighted to see so much outrage about this issue it's actually getting Democrats in the primaries. I don't think most people realize what immigration is doing to fundementally change the country.

Most of our immigrants are hispanics. They are younger and have more children. They are uneducated, and their children don't do a good job of graduating from high school.

From that Federal Reserve Bank analysis linked above:

"The Texas State Data Center projects that by 2020, Hispanics will make up the majority of Texas' population."

How do you think Texas's younger, poorer, high school drop out Hispanic majority will get along with its older and wealthier white minority?  Note that these projections don't take into considerationt the fact that the demographic changes will cause the people with money and education to move.  

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Re: You know what Brazil is like?

thefadd.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 12:59:54 AM EST

none

Don't worry, there's really no additional damage that can be done. Those over-breeeding drop out paddies, wops and polocks already ruined everything.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: You know what Brazil is like?

Steve Urkel.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 01:39:15 PM EST

none

That's the usual argument: the past will repeat itself. But it doesn't seem to be doing so. Only 41% of 4th generation hispanics have high school degrees. Even if there is dramatic improvement over the next 20 years, you are still going to have a greatly increased part of the population that is less educated, and this population is a racially distinct group that will be in the majority in many parts of the country.

 

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corrrection

Steve Urkel.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 01:42:34 PM EST

none

41% of 4th generation hispanics have no high school degree, and only 9.6% have attended college.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2495&page=9

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Re: corrrection to the correction

Steve Urkel.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 01:44:11 PM EST

none

Only 9.6% have a post high school degree.

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Re: NY Governor Does 180 On Licenses To Illegals

thefadd.

Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 04:25:29 PM EST

none

Oh my god, a politician bowed to public pressure! Let's get him! We should all be so lucky...

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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And, in related news.

MayorBob.

Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 05:21:10 PM EST

none

Hillary Clinton finally came out of her fog on the issue and said, "oh yeah, that's right, I was against giving it to them all the time."

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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