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Is it wrong to tell stories of chasing the dragon while chasing high office?

pO157.

Posted to Politics on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 07:42:31 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

When touring a New Hampshire high school, candidate Sen. Barack Obama (D-Il) was asked about whether or not he had used substances in his younger years. His candid reply resulted in an attack from fellow contestant Gov. Mitt Romney (R).

A year after Senator Obama graduated law school, then candidate Bill Clinton became famous for responding that he had tried marijuana before in a seemingly irregular fashion. In a quote that made him the butt of several jokes, Mr. Clinton admitted "I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and didn't like it. I didn't inhale and I didn't try it again.

Now on the campaign tour himself a decade and a half later, Senator Obama, was asked a similar question while touring a high school in the important primary state of New Hampshire. He responded that he wasted a lot of time in high school using drugs stating

There were times when I got into drinking, experimenting with drugs. There was a stretch of time where I did not really apply myself. It's not something I'm proud of. It was a mistake as a young man."

Former governor Mitt Romney chimed in to the debate by commenting that Mr. Obama's answers were perhaps too candid or honest: "I think in order to leave the best possible example for our kids, we're probably wisest not to talk about our own indiscretions in great detail."

The president of a Partnership for a Drug Free America disagrees with Romney, supporting the Senator's openness and said that telling strange middle of the road anecdotes like President Clinton's experience would easily be recognized as phony or evading by intelligent young adults. "The key is to be honest and to put it the context of saying I did this and it was a dumb choice. Obama talked about how it wasn't the right thing to do. When he got serious about his life, he left it behind. If he were to lie, I think most kids would know. Most kids are going to see right through that and will ask themselves, 'How could you know if you didn't like it if you didn't inhale?' Clearly not recognizing something when you did it is probably not the best course."

As of 2005, about 60% of Americans believed Marijuana should remain illegal.

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Re: Is it wrong to tell stories of chasing the dra

Dvandom.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 08:24:59 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

Alt head: "To set a good example for the children, we must lie about our pasts."

This is not a signature.

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Next up

Lou.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 10:47:23 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant, funny, funny)

Romney will change his mind about talking about past youthful indiscretions.  Then we'll finally hear about his coffee experimentation during the 60s.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Once Upon a Time

keta.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 06:59:54 PM EST

4.50 (funny, brilliant)

Romney will see an Obama surge because of his truthiness, and then at a rally one day stand up and say, "Dope?  You bet it's something I know all about.  As a matter of fact, I just dropped some E and blew a big doobie on my way over here to speak to all you wonderful, wonderful folks."

His numbers will go up, and Rudy's camp will gnash their teeth before seizing on their own truthy tack.  Rudy on the stump:  "On September 11 I led this nation during our darkest hour, and I was higher than a hot air balloon, my friends.  Fried, just like those poor victims on September 11, but different.  September 11...(mutters) mmm, Doritos...Seven-Eleven...(aloud) er, September 11!"

As drug admissions become the latest ratings boost, even Tom Tancredo will jump on the bandwagon, publically exhulting, "The best pot comes from Mexico, my friends!  Bueno, bueno smoke!  God bless them!  Let's invite 'em up here so they can show us how they grow it!"

Hillary, in one of her most rigidly controlled speeches of the campaign, will grudgingly admit to having once taken some Midol.  Her numbers will plummet.

The biggest (professed) dope head in the race will become the next president of the United States, pull all the troops out of Iraq, and send them to Afghanistan to help the locals grow opium.

And they'll all live happily ever after.  The end.

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Re: Once Upon a Time

Lou.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 08:57:25 PM EST

none

More likely Rudy snorted coke from a hooker's behind.

...maybe he could make it dead hooker at the scene of 911 to put a better spin on it?

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Once Upon a Time

Shy Elf.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 11:38:00 PM EST

none

Hillary will never admit anything.  That's why people don't trust her.

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Two Choices

logan.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 07:51:50 PM EST

4.66 (astute, interesting, brilliant)

A candidate has two choices when asked about past indiscretions: lie or tell the truth. There's a downside to either one.

If a candidate lies and says "Nope, I never smoked the stuff, never drank, never had sex outside of marriage, and spent all my spare time as a youth reading to the blind. Then every journalist and opposition researcher is going to spring into action to find that one time the candidate drank from the wrong punchbowl at a PTA meeting and passed out on the lawn. The incident will be trumpeted by the opposition as evidence of a Keith Richards-level drug addiction that continues to the present day. The candidate will be further lambasted for not being completely forthcoming with the American People and various pundits will question what else s/he's lied about.

Conversely, the candidate can tell the truth:

Answer #1:
"Yup, I smoked the chronic a little bit back in college. I even did a few lines one night at a party after I found out I scored a 170 on the LSAT. The headache I had the next morning was enough to convince me that drugs were a complete waste of time and that if I wanted to do anything with my life I needed to buckle down and leave that foolishness behind. Haven't touched the stuff since."  

Answer #2:
"Yup, I rocked the bong for about a year and a half in high school. Then my Dad caught me and gave me the whuppin' of a lifetime. He grounded me for six months and I spent every night sitting at the kitchen table studying and every weekend mowing the lawn, cleaning rain gutters, and whatever horrible chore my Dad could come up with. Scared the hell out of me. Ten years later I smelled some weed at a Springsteen concert and I started looking around for my Dad because I was sure he was going to show up and ground me and my wife. Looking back, it was the best thing he could have done for me and my son knows that the same thing'll happen to him if I catch him smoking weed."

The admission will be trumpeted by the opposition as evidence of a Keith Richards-level drug addiction that continues to the present day. The candidate will be further lambasted for setting a bad example for kids by, uh... telling the truth.

See? It's a no-win situation. I don't care if Obama partied a little in college. I only care about being consistent. If Mitt Romney actually believes that drinking and drug use in one's twenties disqualifies a person from holding public office, then he shouldn't have endorsed George W. Bush for President. But then, Romney doesn't seem to care about the actual act, it's how it's presented that's important:

"I think in order to leave the best possible example for our kids, we're probably wisest not to talk about our own indiscretions in great detail," Romney said.

See, it's OK as long as you don't tell anyone.

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things.

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2000 Campaign, Not 1992

uncarved block.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 11:00:02 AM EST

none

    Once you get past the pot smoking (something that many politicians have managed to do), I suspect the real reason behind this candor right now has more to do with the last days of the 2000 election. Remember the Bush DUI revelation? Much of the talk at the time was over whether or not this was a dirty trick (as if revealing something in the public record counts), but only later was the effect at the polls discussed and dissected. Charlie Cook, among others, came to the conclusion that this might have cost Bush up to 2-3% at the polls, though factoring in the normal tightening in the last weekend makes this a less than scientific conclusion. Imagine, no Florida recount, and maybe even two or three more states in the Electoral College final tally. A huge blow to a presidency over such a minor incident.
    What all the analysts and observers could agree upon, though, was some puzzlement over why Bush's team ever allowed this to become an issue in the first place. W was already pitching the "I've made mistakes but changed my ways" story to the voters, and it seems certain that revealing this screw up would have been a blip on the radar if it had come out in late 1999. (Speculations as to why this didn't happen will likely depend on how you feel about the Shrub in the first place.)
   Since Obama had already hinted at drug use in his biography- and there are probably several witnesses still out there- he's just doing the politically practical move and trying to defuse the story before voters really start paying attention next summer. Will it work? Most likely. The objections, stated or otherwise, to Obama becoming president are so much stronger than smoking dope for a couple years that this will only reinforce already reached opinions. (Ugh, what a sentence. Damn this cold . . . )
   

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: 2000 Campaign, Not 1992

pO157.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 11:44:55 AM EST

none

Thank you for bringing up the President's DUI revelation in 2000. I completely forgot about that and it should have been included above.

Personally, I could easily forgive a candidate who had a single DUI or snorted some blow back in the day. People make mistakes and as long as the person has moved on it is all good. I really do not understand why people would vote for a candidate based on moral black/white decisions on their personal history rather than their stated opinions on policy or experience.

As for Romney: He needs to get the hell off his high horse and admit that people may need to talk about these sensitive issues in grown up adult society. Personally, I think he could not care less how much Horse Mr. Obama used back in the day or about protecting the children from hearing about Reefer Madness and is simply trying to keep the race from focusing on personal lives until as late as possible. The less attention is focused on his religious choice the longer he will remain palatable to the conservative Christian types he is counting on to get to the White House.

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Re: 2000 Campaign, Not 1992

thefadd.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 04:16:42 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

I just want the banner that says, "Republican Calls Obama 'Too Honest' To President."

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: 2000 Campaign, Not 1992

MayorBob.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 01:14:35 PM EST

none

"He needs to get the hell off his high horse and admit that people may need to talk about these sensitive issues in grown up adult society."

Conversely, society could just make a compact to STFU about what chemical substance they ingested back during the days when it was expected you'd be experimenting with something or the other.  Frankly, I could care less what Mitt Romney or Barack Obama smoked back in the day.  What I'd really like to know is what Barack or Mitt plan to do to put us right again.

I never held it against Bill Clinton when he admitted to smoking a joint back in the 60s.  But, as a former pot smoker myself, Clinton's insistence that he never inhaled secured his spot in the Bullshitter Hall of Fame.

 

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: 2000 Campaign, Not 1992

pO157.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 04:46:07 PM EST

none

Conversely, society could just make a compact to STFU about what chemical substance they ingested back during the days when it was expected you'd be experimenting with something or the other.  Frankly, I could care less what Mitt Romney or Barack Obama smoked back in the day.  What I'd really like to know is what Barack or Mitt plan to do to put us right again.

Your idea is better. Although perhaps the best one would be if Romney got off his high horse, STFU AND everybody STFU about their substance use back in the day.  That way Romney shuts up, and the past stays in the past. Sort of like a twofer.

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Whatever works, as far as I'm concerned.

MayorBob.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 04:52:28 PM EST

none

In what way does it matter what someone did 20 to 40 years ago?  I'm even less certain what it mattered what they believed back then when their values and belief systems were being formed and molded.  I know I'm not the same person politically or philosophically or emotionally as I was when I was in my early 20s.  I did some shit I wouldn't say I'm particularly proud of and I did some other stuff I still am to this day.  Point being, we are all more than what we were when we were young and foolish.  I believe it's called growth.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Whatever works, as far as I'm concerned.

thefadd.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 05:01:15 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

Honestly, I do care what someone did 20, 40 years ago. I just don't care if they did blow or pot 20, 40 years ago.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Whatever works, as far as I'm concerned.

pO157.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 04:53:11 PM EST

none

Preach it, brother.

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Re: Whatever works, as far as I'm concerned.

MayorBob.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 04:54:26 PM EST

none

The hat will get passed for collections shortly.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Whatever works, as far as I'm concerned.

pO157.

Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 04:56:13 PM EST

none

I gave at the office.

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nonplussed

wetkarma.

Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:01:09 AM EST

none

A presidential candidate is accusing a fellow presidential candidate of being too honest.

Its almost as if with the writers strike, reality has begun writing the jokes for us.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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