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Is Dexter Too Dark?

uncarved block.

Posted to Media on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 01:16:39 PM EST (promoted by 1fastdog). RSS.

Sure you kids, a serial killer as hero sounds like fun, until someone ends up in pieces in garbage sacks.

     If you haven't been forking out the money for Showtime, and don't have any acquaintances with a flair for the macabre, chances are you haven't heard much about the show Dexter, a television series that stars a serial killer as the hero, or at least the main character. (Warning: there may be spoilers throughout just about every link.) Based for the most part on three novels written by Jeff Lindsay, Dexter Morgan (portrayed by Michael C Hall, late of Six Feet Under) works as a blood splatter analyst for the Miami Police Department by day, but by night is exactly the kind of serial killer he works to catch when the sun is up. Well, not exactly alike: thanks to some earlier intervention by his foster father/policeman, Harry Morgan, Dexter only satisfies his murderous urges on those who are "deserving"-- other serial killer, rapists, child molesters, and so on. Thanks to superior training from Harry, Dexter knows quite well how to get away with his crimes. At least that's the initial premise; saying any more would spoil the fun, or at least deflate the narrative.
    The show received very good initial reviews (some of those links have expired, btw) overall, with only a couple reviewers balking at the way such violent material could be made so pretty as well as disturbing. (Check out the opening credits for an example.) While violent, profanity laden shows on pay television, and even network television has a show or two that revel in gore, have been done before, just about every reviewer agreed that some kind of line had been crossed in the character of Dexter: audiences were introduced to  morally ambiguous heroes that act as judge, jury and executioner decades ago, but collapsing the "ultimate evil" role of serial killer into the lead character and narrator was something new, and perhaps not the most welcome change at that.
    Which is all well and good, at least as long as the show is not just on cable, but on a pay channel as well. Adults have the perfect right to pay for content (slightly NSFW) that others might find offensive. But this may all change, thanks to the writers strike: as the news of Dexter being greenlighted for a third season came out, there's talk from the very top at CBS that a PG version of the show might be coming to network television any day now. But is America ready for the little serial killer who could? Could this influence something as trivial as the US presidential election? Could there be Dexter Morgan lunchboxes in the collections of hipsters across the US? Or will it all just mean more money for Ann Rule in the long run?

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Re: Is Dexter Too Dark?

gameCoder.

Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 01:57:50 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

Having just finished season 1 two days ago (I'm of the mind that Netflix is more worth the money than any channels outside of basic cable), I can easily say that Dexter rules!  Honestly, in general I don't think there is too much gore for network tv (mind, I am only going on season 1 here), but watching Dexter prepare his victims can at times be a little sickening.  By the end of the season, however, I felt that the sickening parts were few and far between, and the acting and plot were so good as to leave all other thoughts behind.

Somehow I doubt that it would retain the same level of quality if it were on network tv.

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Can't get into it

profwhat.

Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 10:09:44 PM EST

5.00 (obnoxious)

The cable company called a few years ago and offered Showtime for $5/month, forever, and like an idiot I said yes.  At the time I was interested in watching Queer as Folk; I didn't realize that show had jumped the shark years earlier.  Now, all Showtime is good for is the 1 good episode of "Weeds" per season.  Honestly, it's awful.  I remember when I lived in an apartment complex and got Showtime for free, plus, like, 5 other channels, and we always watched the other 5 channels.

And yes, I include Dexter.  How do I get to criticize Dexter?  I watched the pilot, and then maybe one and a half episodes after it.  In terms of Dexter knowledge I am nothing compared to some of the fans on this thread.  But that's how it works, I guess; unless your spouse forces you to watch, you aren't going to know much about the shows you hate.  (Don't ask me about "Gray's Anatomy"--ugh).

But yeah, I am not a fan.  It is not creative enough to warrant my attention.  Anti-hero criminals were old hat before "The Usual Suspects" (which, BTW, I also hate), and the whole I'm-a-criminal-who- kills-bad-guys-so-therefore-I-am- good-in-an-ambiguous-way thing is just not an original concept anymore: think Watchmen or Batman or Se7en any of the other zillion vigilante stories.

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Re: Can't get into it

Ozyman.

Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 01:39:49 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

It is not creative enough to warrant my attention.

I'm curious what you consider creative enough to warrant your attention.  There is some decent television out there, but very rarely do I see anything that I'd consider 'creative'.  

One aspect of Dexter I've never seen before is such a realistic portrayal of a ... well I'm at a loss for words.  I was going to say psychopath, because Dexter's primary personality trait would be a lack of empathy, but the wikipedia article for psychopath also says it implies 'poor impulse control' which Dexter obviously does not have.  

I've never seen a TV series that lets us into the head of someone like this so convincingly.  Most of the 'criminal-who-kills-bad-guys' stories (that I'm familiar with) are either movies (so you don't have a chance to really develop the character), or they don't really deal to much with the anti-heroes thoughts (Dexter has a near-constant inner monologue that is always giving insights into the way he sees thing) .  Besides, Dexter's not really a vigilante - he's not out killing people to right wrongs, or because he sees evil that needs stopping.  He's killing people because he needs to kill people - he just has a code that helps him select who he is willing to satiate himself with.

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Re: Can't get into it

Nameless Cynic.

Wed Dec 26, 2007 at 10:55:01 AM EST

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I'm curious what you consider creative enough to warrant your attention.
Don't get him started. He's still torn up because they cancelled "Full House."

It's like "Night of the Living Republican." The idiots are right outside, and they want to eat your brain.

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Re: Is Dexter Too Dark?

joshv.

Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:38:25 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

The actually killings are only a minor part of the show, so I doubt a PG version would detract all that much.  It's not the blood and gore of the killings, it's the fact that we know he is a serial killer and nobody else seems to notice, that gives the show it's pathos.  We expect (mostly based on movies/tv) serial killers to be strange, anti-social people with no friends, who live in decrepit surroundings.  But Dexter lives in a sunny well appointed condo, and is the type of guy you'd like to take home to mom.

What I find so interesting about Dexter is his inner struggle for normalcy.  Lacking any moral compass, or even the most basic of emotions, he acts the part of a good upstanding young man, becoming little more than an extremely accomplished mimic in his social life.  But he has this other side - a compulsion to kill, that he cannot ignore.  Somehow he manages to tame and control this urge enough to carry out a reasonably normal life and have a regular 9-5 job, and because his act is so good, he literally gets away with murder, sometimes recklessly tempting discovery.

And yet we wonder if the act could really be that good.  Dexter is a dutiful, and apparently loving brother to his sister.  He has a loving, if damaged girl-friend, and he's great with her kids.  Is he really as inhuman and emotionless as he thinks he is?  Does he kill only murderers and rapists because he's just following the rules his dad created in hopes of allowing his son to survive into adulthood?  Or does Dexter actually feel guilt for his killings, and realize that at least in killing the 'deserving', his sins will serve some greater moral good?

The story arc plays with this question, gradually revealing ever more evidence of Dexter's humanity.  I think this is the carrot that keeps us on Dexter's side.  We so want him to be human.  We want him to be healed of trauma that made his this way.  We want his feigned emotions to be real.  

I doubt there are any real serial killers like Dexter, but it makes for great TV.

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Re: Is Dexter Too Dark?

thefadd.

Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 08:08:50 PM EST

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The character you describes sounds an awful lot like the main character from American Psycho, albeit possibly more likable to the audience. Having not seen Dexter myself, are there any other similarities you could draw out between the two? (Supposing of course that you've either seen or read American Psycho.)

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Is Dexter Too Dark?

logan.

Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 01:33:50 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

Mmmm....no. Patrick Bateman is an amoral monster who wants to fit in with his yuppie friends and enjoy the fruits of an upper-class urban lifestyle: exotic sex, gourmet food, luxurious surroundings, a life of comfort. His station in life affords him the means to kill with impunity. No one expects a well-dressed Wall Street-type to be interested in anything but money and status, so he doesn't register as threatening.

Dexter Morgan is unempathic, but not amoral. He has a moral code given to him by his father: Don't kill the innocent. There are plenty of guilty people out there and they tend not to be missed. Dexter knows that his complete lack of empathy  makes him behave differently so he works on fitting in because he knows that if he stands out too much he'll get caught. Every episode is a struggle with morality for Dexter.

(SPOILERS NOW!!!!)

Dex knows that the easy thing would be to kill Sgt. Doakes and be done with it. Being as Doakes isn't actually a bad guy, Dexter would prefer not to kill him.

Moving back to Patrick Bateman, he's nuts. It's spelled out better in the book but he's spent so much time and energy trying to fit in that he doesn't really exist any more.

"There is an idea of a Patrick Bateman; some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me: only an entity, something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable... I simply am not there.

After decades of denying any desire or opinion outside of those embraced by his peers Bateman has convinced himself that it's all a ruse to cover his true nature: a cold-blooded killer. He feels that as long as he obeys the little rules (stay in shape, dress well, exude success) he can break the big ones (don't kill women with chainsaws) and that's why he spends so much time and effort obeying the little rules.

In the end we discover that his peers don't see him as a fashionable man about town, but as a complete pussy, someone soft and malleable who has been so successful in negating his own personality that he is indistinguishable from a thousand other yuppie assholes. Sadly, the book and movie end there and we don't get to see how Patrick Bateman deals with this nugget of information:

But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis. I gain no
deeper knowledge about myself, no new knowledge can be extracted
from my telling. There has been no reason for me to tell you any
of this. This confession has meant nothing...

Fun fact about American Psycho: in the book there are lovingly detailed descriptions of what each character is wearing at a given moment. This is a joke on the part of author Bret Easton Ellis. He wrote for GQ just before writing American Psycho so he learned a lot about clothes. If you don't know about high-end men's fashion the descriptions of the clothes just fly over your head. If you do, you realize that anyone who actually dressed like that would look ridiculous. In the movie, the joke is changed. The food served by the restaurants all the characters worship would taste horrible: "peanut butter
soup with smoked duck and mashed squash", "red snapper with violets and
pine nuts", "cilantro crawfish gumbo".

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things.

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Re: Is Dexter Too Dark?

PenitenziAgite.

Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 03:29:24 PM EST

none

This is subject to interpretation, but I always thought of Patrick Bateman as basically a guy stuck in an empty world, and all the killing he did was his imagination at work.  In my view, Dexter and Patrick are two very different people.  Bateman is basically a coward whose empty, boring and pathetic life has been reduced to drug use and incessant cataloging of what everyone else is wearing or doing, and this empty, meaningless existence has caused him to fantasize about all the sick things he wants to do, mainly because he lacks an authentic existence.  

Dexter, on the other hand, actually does kill people.  With the guidance of his father, who recognized Dexter's sociopathy informed by a highly traumatic childhood, he is able to redirect his need to fulfill the urge to kill to work within a certain framework that while not optimal, is at least an attempt to fit this into a moral framework.  Granted, he is taught this framework to avoid spending the rest of his life in prison, but he realizes that it is somehow satisfying to strive to form normal human bonds.

I have read both 'American Psycho' and 'Darkly Dreaming', and they don't compare in terms of literary quality, but the characters are vastly different.

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FYI

uncarved block.

Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 11:03:55 AM EST

4.00 (informative)

    If you check the Wikipedia entry, Dexter uses two pseudonyms from Brett Easton Ellis books as aliases: Dr. Patrick Bateman (from American Psycho, in order to order the tranquilizers that are his "magic" weapon*, as well as Sean Ellis on occasion.  Apparently the books are referenced, but I have no idea if the movie of American Psycho gets any visual homages.
     I'm more interested in how much the producers used people like John Douglas, or if Douglas would even consent to work with a show like this in the first place. Anyone got some input?

     *I haven't seen the show, but this seems one of those media only plot devices, like "knock out gas". Tranquilizers are notoriously hard to measure even with animals, and even under hospital conditions anesthetics can still be dangerous. Injecting just enough to knock someone out, but not enough to kill them or send them into a coma, all while struggling to control someone who knows full well their life is at stake . . yeah, suspension of disbelief is about right.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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The best show on television

Ozyman.

Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 01:28:11 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Not much to add, but my wife and I think it's the best show on television right now.  We watched initially because we were six feet under fans.   Between the two shows, I think this really shows Micheal C. Hall's talents.  The characters he portrayed on the two shows are just about as different as could be, and he makes both absolutely convincing and compelling.

As a side note, the opening credits really are amazing.  They perfectly capture the mood and theme of the show, showing Dexter going through perfectly normal activities (getting dressed, making breakfast), but in a very sinister and ominous way that hints at the violence just beneath the surface.  The credits actually won an Emmy this year:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/59th_Primetime_Emmy_Awards#Outstanding_Main_Title_Design

Only one episode left for the season. :(

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We Don't Get ShowTime

pO157.

Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 01:35:58 PM EST

none

Would you say it is worth buying a boxed set of DVDs to catch it? I have only heard good things about it so far.

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Re: We Don't Get ShowTime

Ozyman.

Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 01:44:17 PM EST

none

I would certainly think it's worth the $28 it is currently going for on Amazon (free shipping).  I've already seen the first season, and I might buy it just to see the extras.  If it sounds like something you'd like, then my guess is you probably will.

The only negative I can find with the show, is the supporting cast is not nearly as good as Michael C. Hall.  But, I found that much less distracting in the second season than the first.  Maybe they've grown into their characters.

If you're not convinced, I'd recommend a cheap rental, so you can watch the first 2-3 episodes and see if you like it.

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Re: We Don't Get ShowTime

Ozyman.

Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 01:50:24 PM EST

4.00 (informative)

After my posting frenzy, I went and checked out the wikipedia article on the show.  The critical reception section was interesting:

The initial response to Dexter was positive. The website Metacritic calculated a score of 77 from a possible 100 based on 27 reviews, making it the third-best reviewed show of the 2006 fall season. [...] Brian Lowry, who had written one of the two poor reviews for the show, recanted his negative review [...] after watching the full season.

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Clarifications

uncarved block.

Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 12:22:05 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

    As should be very clear from the write up, I haven't seen a single episode of the show, just some of the snippets that are on Youtube. Whether or not I ever will is up in the air; gruesome images, especially in film or TV, have a bad tendency to stick vividly in my memory for years, decades even, which has provoked a certain caution when it comes to horror and gore flicks. I have enough trouble falling asleep as it is-- seeing Dexter with a saw as my eyes close for the next couple years is unappealing, to say the least.
    What interested me about the show, though, especially when it turned out* that there's talk of it going to network television, was just how well or poorly the sociopath in Dexter matches (or doesn't) the expectations of the genre and the medium. It's no big secret that the police procedural genre has a strong moralistic element to it, and television in general usually has only very fake moral ambiguity when the shows try to go beyond two dimensional characters. The feedback so far has been mixed, with some of you seeing more of the same, and some a definite change.
    One thing that interests me most of all is a character barely dealt with in any of the reviews: Harry Morgan. If the guy was so moral, so talented at getting away with crime, and so confident Dexter was beyond redemption, why not kill the kid and avoid potential disaster if the moral training didn't take? The idea of a cop sending a perfectly trained killer out to snuff the criminals the police would have trouble catching is very, very dark when you think about it (or at least when I do), but I could see it being overlooked by writers intent on capturing a tone, or in perfecting bon mots about human behavior. But I guess the second season will be out on DVD before too long, and I could find out for my own damn self.

    *The hook about the show moving to CBS was a complete fluke. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, eh?

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Clarifications

Ozyman.

Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 03:23:39 PM EST

none

Harry Morgan. If the guy was so moral, so talented at getting away with crime, and so confident Dexter was beyond redemption...

The do address this in the second season and part of the answer is that Harry Morgan wasn't a paragon of morality.  

This is part SPOILER and part my prediction:
This is part SPOILER and part my prediction:
This is part SPOILER and part my prediction:
We've already seen that Harry was having an affair with Dexter's mother.  My guess is that Dexter is really his biological son.   Dexter's brother was not, and this shows why Harry took such an interest in Dexter, but not his brother.

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loved Season 1

wetkarma.

Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 05:44:11 PM EST

none

I saw Season 1 when it first came out and although the supporting actors skills are a bit weak in parts, the great, wonderful thing about Dexter is that it had a coherent story line. Unlike say "Lost" or "Heroes" or even (blasphemy) "Battlestar Galactica" each episode went somewhere and built upon the prior one.  

The only thing which strikes me as a bit weak is that (at least in season 1) all he kills are serial killers. I'm not sure if there are THAT many serial killers in Florida (although to be fair the show does address this in the pilot).

It is some of the best stuff on tv. That said -- its dark, twisted and just slightly horrifying.

[Mild Spoiler]
In one episode he kills a married couple inside a trailer after interrogating them about what makes their relationship worked. The scene achieved a surrealness so pervasive that the horror of it just came bubbling

[End spoiler]

As for rating it PG -- I've never understood how the standards for these things are set, judged by themes and content I'd want to slap an R rating on this were I inclined to favor 'ratings'

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: loved Season 1

3fingerspointback.

Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 07:28:26 PM EST

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The only thing which strikes me as a bit weak is that (at least in season 1) all he kills are serial killers.

I haven't seen any Dexter, but I do read the Punisher comics, which suffers from the same problem.  Just how many crime families are there, that Frank can keep annihilating them every 8 months with no noticable difference in the New York crime rate?  And for that matter, how profitable must it be to be a criminal in a New York City with the Punisher, with crime at the level it is?

In the real world, almost all criminals, with very few exceptions, remain desperately poor.  Let's take a real-world example of some people Frank Castle and Dexter might want to kill.  A few years ago, the local authorities busted a child sex slavery ring that lured young teen girls from Mexico to San Diego county, then forced them into prostitution to...wealthy millionaires?  Corrupt politicians?  Dirty cops?  Well, there may have been some of that, but the vast majority of tricks were bought by migrant farm workers and poor locals for less than what a street hooker could demand downtown.  With a lineup of five or six minors, the whole heinous operation was taking in less profit than the average McDonalds franchise.

Compare and contrast that to what Frank Castle went up against two years ago.  A wired-up house holding girls smuggled out of Moldova, guarded by a private army armed with snazzy submachine guns that cost more per piece than it costs to get an underage Mexican girl across the border.  The operation was run out of a front business set up in what looked to be pretty prime downtown office space, and assets included multiple real estate properties including a large lakeside cabin upstate, multiple city houses sharing the duty for one brothel, and a private limo service to shuttle clients to and from the business without them knowing where it is.  We're out of the range of average McDonalds franchise run by a couple of guys, and now talking about what had to be the revenues of an above-average import/export business with 50 employees.

And unlike the Salazar brothers, Fantasyworld Sex Slave Importers had to be making enough money to risk getting violently slaughtered at any moment by unstoppable vigilantes like Castle.  So each of these people had to be earning a good multiple of whatever subsistence-wage salary they could be making honestly, depending on how highly they valued their own skins.  That pushes the needed take into the range of "very successful import/export business".  In a roundabout way, fare like The Punisher and Dexter end up glorifying the types of crimes they fantasize about punishing.

(is 3fingerspointback)

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Pulp Vs Noir

uncarved block.

Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 11:32:26 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

    You could add a whole lot of names to your list, if you poked around books for a while. The Executioner series, by "Don Pendleton" has not only run to over 300 books on its own, but created two other franchises (Stony Man, and Mack Bolan Adventures) with over 100 titles tacked on right there. Yet after fifty books, you start getting the same kind of questions: where the hell are all these bad guys coming from? It's been years since I read the first thirty Executioners, but the body count per book was rather impressive, and I doubt it went down. Serial westerns are the same: at ten kills a book (probably a lowball estimate, btw) a main character like Longarm (up to #349) has killed in the area of 3-4,000 bad guys. Seriously, how many cattle rustlers and bank robbers were there in the old west? And to commit heresy, where were all the good citizens of Gotham in the Dark Knight Batman comics? Keeping a mighty low profile, I must say.
    Getting off to work has snuck up on me, so I'll just throw out this theory for now: pulp is a development (and distortion) of the noir genre, and is almost always representative of a "conservative" world view: a "liberal" Men's Adventure series is, if not an oxymoron, at least bordering on it. The Punisher faces all those well armed hoods not because they could exist in reality, but because genre expectations (and ideology, perhaps) demand that they are there for the hero to be heroic. I mean, can you imagine a comic book hero taking on things like father-daughter incest, child abuse, or illegal labor rings?
     Having a dozen serial killers loose in the Miami area is stretching things a bit, but I suspect the series will end before Dexter starts getting anywhere near triple digits. At least I hope so . . .

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Is Dexter Too Dark?

logan.

Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:32:53 PM EST

none

Meta, I originally posted this in the subq, not realizing what you have to do to viewsubq comments.

NO SPOILERS! NO SPOILERS!

I'm putting off reading the book until the series has run its course.

Look, if we can root for Tony Soprano what's so different about Dexter Morgan? Tony robbed and killed friends, family and anyone else got in his way or threatened his income stream. He was completely amoral and either didn't know or didn't care. Dexter is aware that his lack of empathy is a huge problem and latched onto a moral code given to him by the one person he respected: his stepfather. Dexter is aware that he's virtually amoral and grapples with that every episode, which is part of the attraction of the show.
(POSSIBLE SPOILER IF YOU AREN'T UP TO DATE)

This season's big conflict for Dexter is his realization that his Dad wasn't the bastion of morality he appeared to be, leaving Dex staring into a moral abyss at the exact moment he needs a moral compass to help him deal with the Doakes situation.

(END SPOILER)

If anyone is offended by Dexter, they are free to not watch or to protest by canceling their subscription to Showtime. As usual with moral panics over media, no one will because someone who would be offended by the show (as opposed to just not liking it) wouldn't have a subscription to Showtime to begin with. As far as a CBS version is concerned, I don't see it happening. A TV-MA version would be so cleaned-up and dumbed-down that it would be unwatchable.

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things.

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Re: Is Dexter Too Dark?

Ozyman.

Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 04:10:05 PM EST

none

A TV-MA version would be so cleaned-up and dumbed-down that it would be unwatchable.

I wonder about that.  It seems like violence is completely acceptable on network television.  I have not seen them, but co-workers tell me that the Soprano's episodes on A&E are censored for nudity & language, but not violence.  

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Spoliers

Shy Elf.

Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 11:33:21 PM EST

none

We should have a spoiler tag.  I prefer white on white text (shows up on highlight), but text which appears only on click is also OK.

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