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Time to Spice it Up!

port1080.

Posted to Music on Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 05:35:44 PM EST (promoted by Acefantastik). RSS.

Sunday, December 2nd marked the kickoff of the eagerly awaited Spice Girls reunion tour. The group, together for the first time in a decade, performed to an excited crowd in Vancouver, British Columbia.

Alright, seriously, this isn't exactly the music headline of the decade. It does, however, illuminate an interesting trend of the last five years or so - the longevity of old acts and the popularity of reunion tours.

1980s rockers like Bon Jovi, U2, John Mellencamp, and Bruce Springsteen are still pumping out albums (some of which are even still musically relevant). Sting's back with the Police and Sammy Hagar was (briefly) back with Van Halen.

Even older groups are still churnin' them out as well. The Eagles just put out a new album, The Who are still active, Paul McCartney's still going strong, the Rolling Stones are still not dead, and the long-awaited Led Zeppelin reunion tour looks like it might actually become a reality.

All of this begs the question - where is the relevant new music? Has the shift from traditional radio and CDs to satellite radio and digital singles fractured the music scene so much that it's now impossible for a group to get the kind of popular mind-share that even the relatively talentless Spice Girls were able to command not a decade ago? Or are the retread bands of the 2030s just waiting in the wings for a big hit and chance for musical dominance? Perhaps the most pressing question of all, however, is when will N'Sync get back together !?!

Tags: written by port1080, Spice Girls, music, concert, ticket, charts, money, edited by Ace, N'Sync, The Eagles (all tags)

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The only good thing to come out of the LA Riots...

pO157.

Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 07:23:43 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

In 1992, due to the vagaries of assholes shooting at airplanes during the LA Riots a plane carrying ex-Foreigner singer Lou Gramm was diverted to another airport at LA where he then holed up in some hotel. Mick Jones, Foreigner's lead guitarist was also staying at the place and locked in due to the curfew. They ended up talking their differences out and reforming the band as the city burned.

Foreigner's music was then one of the first to be remastered into the high quality DVD audio format and hit the Billboard Top 100 again in 2001. Foreigner still tours today, bringing joy and hope to millions of people worldwide.

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Re: Time to Spice it Up!

thefadd.

Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 06:22:06 PM EST

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All of this begs the question - where is the relevant new music?

(A) It doesn't beg the question but (B) I don't think it even raises the question, really. Those "old bands" are all baby boomer bands--baby boomers who now have lots more money and free time to be a market factor. I don't think it precludes the success of say Velvet Revolver or White Stripes. Or, um, the spice girls, actually.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Some More Names To Consider

uncarved block.

Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 11:25:37 AM EST

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     I'm unsure, the more names I try to recall, that this longevity is less the exception than the rule, especially for bands outside of the pop rock who are running decades' long careers:

   Country: Dolly Parton, Merle Haggard, Willie Nelson, Hank Williams Jr, Emmylou Harris, perhaps Bonnie Raitt, and doubtless many more. Let's also consider that Johnny Cash worked pretty much until the day he died, and his last albums received both popular and critical acclaim.

    Heavy Metal/Hard Rock: Scorpions, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Blue Oyster Cult, Celtic Frost, Aerosmith (despite what is doubtless a tidal wave of sentiment for them to retire), AC/DC, UFO, Whitesnake (kind of), Black Sabbath (well, mostly), Metallica, Queensyche, Megadeth, Slayer . . man, this could go on for a while, so I'll stop here.

    Indie Rock: Sonic Youth is still going strong, Modest Mouse show signs of playing for another decade or two, and doubtless there are a few more I could mention if my CD collection was more hip.

    It would seem to me, giving only a minute or two of thought to the matter, that the bigger question might be what, if anything, changed in the music business in the 90s that's making it less attractive for bands to stay together longer. Is it the lure of successful solo careers? Less willingness to remain tied to one name for years on end? The creation of a music scene driven by singles more than albums*, thanks to technology? Could it even be a widespread acceptance of "rock musician" as a career choice, meaning less family antagonism in the players' formative years? Me, I have no idea- any, or all, of these factors could play a part IMO- but it certainly does "feel" less likely that groups like 30 Seconds To Mars, Angels And Airwaves, or even Blink 182 will still be together in 2013, much less 2020. OTOH, 2013 might see the third or fourth Smashing Pumpkins reunion, so take these predictions as you will :)

     *A return to what was the industry standard before about 1967, I would hardly be the first to note, though it's still worth pondering.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Some More Names To Consider

thefadd.

Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 12:00:21 PM EST

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I think, too, you can't discount how much the 50's were a time of use 'em and lose 'em for the music industry. That era was the king of one hit wonders because of how much control the studios exerted. Artists would love to make their art forever if they can make a living at it.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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pO157.

Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 12:10:41 PM EST

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And most of those artists probably didn't make a dime off their music. I bet the first contract for that one hit wonder CD is brutal with most of the terms and compensation slanted towards the studio. By the time the artists are already famous enough to command better rates the studio has moved on to the next rocker or famous star. For example, John Heder got paid only $1,000 for his star position in Napoleon Dynamite. But it worked out for him. Had he not gotten other offers he probably would have been horrendously famous but poor and working as a waiter in LA.

Showbiz is a bitch.

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Re: Some More Names To Consider

port1080.

Sat Dec 08, 2007 at 12:51:14 PM EST

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I'm unsure, the more names I try to recall, that this longevity is less the exception than the rule

Think of all the huge 60s/70s/80s bands / partnerships that broke up or fell of the radar though.  Simon and Garfunkel, Kansas, the Beatles, Sex Pistols, Cream, the Animals, Jefferson AirStarPlaneShip, Beach Boys, etc.  And yeah a lot of groups kept touring, but didn't have the same sort of draw that, say, the Eagles still have today.  I don't know, maybe I'm making something out of nothing, but it does feel like things are changing.  Time will tell, I suppose.

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thefadd.

Sun Dec 09, 2007 at 01:24:51 AM EST

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But half the people you mentioned are dead. I get what you're saying in terms of certain generation/genres seem to have greater longevity but look at say the rat pack--they pretty much all toured (individually, granted) until their deaths.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Music/Business

uncarved block.

Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 11:13:01 AM EST

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    Sorry for the delay in responding: retail in the Christmas season will scramble your brain a bit, and I just got Animal Crossing this week too :)
    I don't want to have my first post come across as more snippy than it may have sounded, first off; that was never my bag at Plastic, and even less so here. It just seemed to me that you were highlighting a symptom, though, and not a cause, and the first thing that sprang to mind was to point out all the groups and performers who are currently running very long careers. Should have spent more time with the supporting argument, but I had Wikipedia open in another window doing research, and that was rather distracting.
    So what's "really" going on? To repeat, I have no idea either, but I do have what I think are good observations as to why these reunion tours are selling out, and often at ridiculously high ticket prices I might add. I'd approach it from the consumer end, though, and not the production side.
    First off would be my one of my old specters, Nostalgia. There seems to be a vast reserve of folks willing to sit down and watch or hear a culling of the pop culture from their younger years*, whenever that may be. The I Love The 80s series is a good example- I think they did each year three times(!) in all- but that's just the surface. PBS has always loved those retrospectives about an era or a moment, and sometimes it feels like less serious events like the Woodstock are presented in the same somber tones as heavy topics like WWII, or the Civil Rights marches. And Lawrence Welk has been feeding the nostalgic desire since 1951, speaking of PBS standard bearers. Whenever there's a huge market, you can expect there will be product to sate it sooner rather than later.
    At the other end, I wonder if cynicism about advertising has now become a standard right of passage for American teens, with a big helping hand from MTV, natch. When I think about the bands that receive a lot of hype from music/media companies, the biggest ones that pop up are all aimed at teens: Good Charlotte, Blink-182, Brittney Spears (the early years), and so on. Nothing new in music history, obviously, but what is different is that there's so few rock bands targeted at the next age group (21-30, let's say) who make it very far. Everclear tried, and failed rather dramatically, though it might have helped if they'd been a better band. Jet? Wolfmother, even? I can't even think of a rock style group plying the "party time" vibe that could even come close to what Frampton, say, had in the 70s. (The last band I can think of that even came close was Franz Ferdinand, but how "big" they are in music fame terms is unclear.) As far as the biggest popular trends go, this age group seems almost entirely represented by hip hop and rap artists-- Jay-Z and Snoop come to mind, and doubtless there's a lot more.
    On a guess, then, I'd have to say it's downloading that's driving the hype industry at this point. Teens and pre-teens have disposable incomes, so they're more likely to actually fork out $18 for a CD, and at the other end are the nostalgic, who will (apparently) gladly shell out upwards of $100 for concert tickets, and then buy a CD of that show later. In the middle? A vast wasteland (from and execs viewpoint) of folks who will just download the music for free if a group or performer starts to get some attention. (This is hyperbole, obviously, but I'm unsure how much it is so.) Why sink good cash into a group that won't see the best returns when it comes to sales? Whether or not this will continue is probably more of a technological than musical question, on a hunch, but someone more tuned in to the tech side of the music industry feel free to correct me.
    A long post, doubtless longer than it needed to be-- all apologies.

    *Bookmans buys CDs as well as books, and from what I've seen that people trade in to us, those "Best Of . . . " decade collections you see advertised on TV actually sell pretty well. Likewise single artist greatest hits, but that's less surprising-- a lot of bands are only as good as their hits, and savvy consumers will spend their money accordingly.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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