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Axis of Opposition

rEvolution inAction.

Posted to Politics on Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 08:29:13 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Yeah we heard of the Axis of Evil, well guess what.. it's really here.. if you subscribe to the 'US vs  Them' mentality. India, China and Russia have started talks regarding cooperation on a number of different subjects ranging from trade (including oil) to foreign policy to terrorism. They've essentially agreed that they have no real disagreements.

Together they represent "40 per cent of the world's population, a fifth of its economy and more than half of its nuclear warheads" but all three have enormous influence as well. The two largest thorns in the US side are both firmly allied with the triumvirate. North Korea, which recently signed a peace agreement with the US, exists mainly because of Chinese aid, while Iran has a mutual defense pact (aimed primarily at Pakistan) with India. China is also a large client of Iranian oil, and Russia is rapidly becoming its primary weapons supplier. Elsewhere, China has been prominent in Sudan lately, and together with India have been the largest investors in Africa of late. Needless to say, they may represent a direct challenge to the unipolar world we've seen since Uncle Ronnie tore down that wall with his bare hands.

While the three countries are heralding the agreements as a new understanding of peace, we all know that any threat to NATO dominance of world events will be seen as a direct challenge, which means an escalation and perhaps a return to the proxy wars of the Cold War. All three countries are experiencing periods of rapid growth and are looking to create a 'fairer world'. They want to see a more balanced world order and jointly criticized the American double-standard regarding terrorism. India is the world's largest democracy, while Russia is seen to be slipping towards totalitarianism, and China.. is China. Together however, they called for a multi-polar world with an open and democratic United Nations at its core.

While it would seem their goals are peaceful, will the West allow their power over this world to be challenged.. and can they even win if they tried to stop them?

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by rEvolution inAction, China, Russia, India, International Relations, United States, Axis of Evil (all tags)

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Re: Axis of Opposition

tomc.

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 10:21:15 AM EST

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It was not too long ago that India was the head of the non-aligned nations, and given Putin's latest verbal salvos and interest in selling nuclear technology to Iran...I think all three countries see an advantage in working together rather than waiting for the US to "straighten everything out."

I'll bet that within 5 years Venezuela will join these three.

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thefadd.

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 12:16:29 PM EST

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I'll bet that within 5 years Venezuela will join these three.

Join these 3 in what? The idea that these three nations are allied in any fashion "against" the US is paranoiac/pie in the sky hooey. Start by looking at Steve Urkel's excellent link above. India simply adores the US and is one of the few countries that can politically stomach what the US is up to these days. China has virtually no need at all Russia except to make sure they keep sending them oil. That means nothing aside from "we're big, we're next to you, you're economy is shit, now give us your damn oil." Is it smart for these three nations to look to strengthen world governing bodies as a check to US imperialism? Certainly. But given a democratic win in '08 that all but goes out the window. But to call them "aligned" "in opposition to" the US is two steps beyond reality.

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Lou.

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 12:28:51 PM EST

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Maybe Gord's link was excellent two years ago when the study was conducted...or a year ago when the report was released.  Does anyone have a link to newer stuff?

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rEvolution inAction.

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 12:32:18 PM EST

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But to call them "aligned" "in opposition to" the US is two steps beyond reality.
My argument is more that they are 'aligned' and that the West will take that as a sign of opposition.

India does look favourably at the US, but they are also a nation and the US doesn't tend to respect that too much.

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thefadd.

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 01:05:37 PM EST

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I just don't think the neo-cons in charge now care that much. They made up the axis of evil thing so they could trot their failed star wars program back out there. When the opportunities of 9/11 presented themselves, they quickly dropped that in exchange for the far more profitable "remake the caliphate" scheme. They're not really war mongers looking to go up an aliance of the 3 most powerful non-NATO nations in the world. Their oil-loving warmongers out for a quick buck. Now, if they could spin a Russia-China-India aliance back toward satellite programs and get Iraq on the media's backburner in the mean time, I'm sure they'd do it.

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rEvolution inAction.

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 02:00:37 PM EST

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I've been saying for awhile that the Caliphate would be good for the world.. but the US is working against it.. even as they work towards it. Essentially they don't want the Caliphate (divide and conquer/control) but their actions are making it increasingly likely.

if they could spin a Russia-China-India aliance back toward satellite programs
It practically writes itself.

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gerrymander.

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 01:07:45 PM EST

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I'll bet that within 5 years Venezuela will join these three.

Venezuela is currently experiencing 20% annualized inflation and is unable to provide consumer staples like milk and meat to its population, thanks to government policies. In five years, Venezuela is more likely to look like the next Zimbabwe, with all the attendant international shunning that entails.

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rEvolution inAction.

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 02:03:00 PM EST

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As much as I thought Chavez was on the right track his new powers of rule by decree have me thinking the same thing... If after 18 months he does not renew those powers and Venezuela turns its economic outlook around, I'll be wiling to get back on board.. but right now he's not looking too good.

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MayorBob.

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 01:58:38 PM EST

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All things being equal, I wonder how long Chavez' shtick will continue to work out.  As someone else already noted, Venezuela is beginning to experience the effects of inflation brought about by some of Hugo's economic experiments running up against the reality that the marketplace works best when it is lightly controlled and basically free and open.

I think the reason the Indians are smiling in our direction is that they have been one of the beneficiaries of outsourcing by US companies and the fact that they do have a history of troubles with the Chinese.  

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Pull the other one...its got bells on

wetkarma.

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 01:25:54 PM EST

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They've essentially agreed that they have no real disagreements.

Yea well you know except for that whole Sino-India war with India and China which can be directly traced to the current armed camps of Pakistan and India.

I'm sure India is willing to forgive and forget the fact that Pakistan (their mortal enemy) is backed and armed by China. And naturally China will ignore India's statements re: their nuclear test being designed as a deterrent to China.

As for Russia, this is a country ruled by an autocrat. Any foreign policy initiative only has worth as long as Putin is in charge. The very idea that the Russians will stick to any agreement ignores the political realities of the russian government. This so called "axis of opposition" is a paper tiger.

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rEvolution inAction.

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 02:20:36 PM EST

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You're right that the weakpoint is Russia.. but it is possible that Putin's constitutional tinkering may have created an environment that is favourable to autocratic rule.. Who knows if there will even be any opposition in Russia by the time the next elections happen. also, they have signed a long list of trade treaties.. Russia's government will honour that regardless of who's in power.. and that will bring them closer together.

On the other hand.. it is meant to be a paper tiger.. they explicitly say they want to strengthen the UN (of which India is expected to get a seat on the Security Council once it is finally expanded), which is by itself an attempt to give paper teeth. They do not expect to start any straight-up violence, nor are they trying to.. they want to win through bureaucracy. A Paper Tiger. If the west chooses to make it a physical confrontation out of it.. well that's a whole other story.

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