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Virginia Is For Lovers ... And Suicidal Undergraduates.

MayorBob.

Posted to Legal on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 05:43:54 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Suicide is the second leading cause of deaths of college students and is nearing "epidemic proportions." (pdf doc)  In light of the increasing body counts, many schools are slowly coming to grips with the problem and beginning to set up programs aimed at identifying potential suicides in order to get them help before they make an attempt on their lives.  But, what to do with those who try to do away with themselves and fail?  Should they be kicked out of school or stigmatized while on campus?  The legislators of at least one state - Virginia - are answering those questions with a very firm no.

Both houses of the Virginia General Assembly have passed legislation which require public colleges and universities "to develop and implement policies that" identify and address "the needs of students exhibiting suicidal tendencies or behavior."  The bill, which still requires the governor's signature, also would bar institutions from punishing or expelling students "solely for attempting to commit suicide, or seeking mental health treatment for suicidal thoughts or behaviors."  This legislation comes at a time when some institutions are under fire for not having done enough to prevent student suicides or for having taken adverse action against students for seeking mental health services.

The legislation doesn't keep schools from taking appropriate action to deal "with students who are a danger to themselves, or to others, and whose behavior is disruptive to the academic community."  According to bill sponsor Del. Albert Eisenberg (D - Arlington), the legislation was founded on the reality that "pressures on (students) are tremendous" and such a law would insure that students in crisis would get the help they need.  Dr. Jane Horton, an administrator at Washington and Lee University, believes this is a bad law, in that forcing schools to keep suicidal students on campus "is putting their own health at risk or placing an undue burden on the university for taking care of them, and an undue burden to other students who are concerned."  Horton has joined in a letter urging Virginia governor Tim Kaine to veto the bill when it is presented to him.

Eisenberg responds by observing nothing in the bill implies that schools should be considered psychiatric wards.  If a student is engaged in dangerous behavior "authorities have to be allowed to come in and deal with the problem."  Jihad Aziz, an administrator from Virginia Commonwealth University, sees the main benefit of the legislation as raising awareness of the plight and needs of suicidal students but "the reality is you can never stop anyone from harming themselves."

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by MayorBob, college, law, suicide (all tags)

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Re: Virginia Is For Lovers ... And Suicidal Underg

rombuu.

Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 07:26:24 PM EST

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"The suicide rate on campus, estimated to be about 7.5 per 100000 students, is about half that in non students the same ages."   That's from the PDF on the 2nd link...

...that's funny ol' definition of "epidemic" isn't it?  

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Virginia is for losers, do the math

Steve Urkel.

Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 02:26:58 AM EST

4.00 (funny)

The life of a kid in college is worth at least 3 times as much as the life of a loser who isn't in college, which means it is indeed an epidemic.

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Let's go to the numbers

Lou.

Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 08:26:34 PM EST

none

Hey Rombuu and Z...how many deaths does it take to get to the compassion center of your tootsie roll?

Minty fresh

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Re: Let's go to the numbers

thefadd.

Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 11:06:08 PM EST

none

Compassion is relative. Shitloads of kids have been killing themselves for years at all those schools in upstate New York with the beautifully scenic cliffs and natural bridges.

God forgives. The press only forgets.

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Re: Let's go to the numbers

Lou.

Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 01:09:20 AM EST

none

Well, since the story is about college kids who kill themselves, I thought that's where we were focusing.  If the bridges and cliffs of upstate New York are attractive sites for kids (college and non-college, I would assume) to commit suicide, then perhaps that should be looked at as well.  Personally, I think we as a society should do whatever we can to help prevent kids from committing suicide (and if someone wants to bring up adults killing themselves, I'll leave that can-of-worms for him/her).

Minty fresh

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Re: Let's go to the numbers

jxg.

Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 01:37:29 AM EST

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Personally, I think we as a society should do whatever we can to help prevent kids from committing suicide

How many "kids" are there at Virginia's public colleges and universities? Or any colleges and universities, for that matter?

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Lou.

Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 01:42:03 AM EST

none

How many "kids" are there at Virginia's public colleges and universities?

I don't know about you, but anyone who is 20 years or more younger than me qualifies as "kid".  Are you opening the suicide can 'o worms?

At least you're not wound up about the word "epidemic"...yet.

Minty fresh

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zyxwvutsr.

Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 01:05:40 AM EST

none

how many deaths does it take to get to the compassion center of your tootsie roll?
I see your point, and you're right: even a single suicide is an epidemic.

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Lou.

Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 01:20:23 AM EST

5.00 (funny)

I see your point, and you're right: even a single suicide is an epidemic.

Is it just the word "epidemic" that has your panties in a bunch?  Ok...forget the word.  Now, what is an acceptable level of suicide on college campuses?  1? 200?  1200?  2000?  At what point does this become a problem worthy of attention?

I can just see the letters home.

Dear Mr and Mrs Smith

It is with deep regret that I inform you that your son, Robert committed suicide today.  Fear not though for Robert's death is not in vain.  Since your son was the 300th suicide this year, the university is now able to invoke the "Now It's A Problem" clause in the charter.  The campus suicide alert squad will now jump into rescue mode whenever it sees a depressed student on campus from now until the end of the year.

I have enclosed a suitable-for-framing letter of appreciation  for your son's sacrifice.

Thank you

Dean White

Go Wildcats!

Minty fresh

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Re: Let's go to the numbers

dzetetes.

Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 08:00:12 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

Now, what is an acceptable level of suicide on college campuses?  1? 200?  1200?  2000?

However many it takes for me to be able to consistently find a good parking spot.

In regione caecorum, rex est luscus.

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zyxwvutsr.

Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 09:16:20 AM EST

none

what is an acceptable level of suicide on college campuses...At what point does this become a problem worthy of attention?
I cannot believe you are dismissing deaths by unintentional injuries in such a cavalier manner. Have you no compassion at all? Won't somebody please think of the children!

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The envelope please

Lou.

Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 12:15:32 PM EST

none

And the winner in the catagory of "Dodging a question with sarcasm after digging himself into a hole" is...

rip rip

zyxwvutsr!

Minty fresh

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Re: The envelope please

zyxwvutsr.

Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 05:26:56 PM EST

none

"Dodging a question with sarcasm after digging himself into a hole"
Oh, were you posing a serious question when you asked "At what point does this become a problem worthy of attention?"

Here's my serious answer: when the rate of suicide on college campuses approaches the rate among non-college students, then it becomes worthy of attention. Do you disagree?

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It's more than one death, isn't it?

MayorBob.

Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 11:13:50 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

But, you're absolutely right, it isn't an epidemic; it was hyperbole, on my part, for wording that first sentence the way I did.  But, really, am I not allowed one hyperbolic, irrelevant word in a write up?  I ask you this in all fairness because you have deemed it necessary to turn an objection over one stinking word into an exercise in beating a dead horse.

Tending to final details.

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Re: It's more than one death, isn't it?

zyxwvutsr.

Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 05:31:24 PM EST

none

...it isn't an epidemic; it was hyperbole, on my part, for wording that first sentence the way I did
On the contrary, I think you accurately captured the tone of the SMHAI article that breathlessly proclaimed a "alarming suicide rate among college students." If the college suicide rate is "alarming" then what do you suppose the SMHAI folks would call the non-college rate, which is twice as high?

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Re: Virginia Is For Lovers ... And Suicidal Underg

MizDarwin.

Wed Feb 28, 2007 at 01:22:23 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

I'd hate to be the dean charged with fighting both student suicide AND grade inflation.

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