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Sorry, My Moral Code Will Not Allow Me To Do My Job.

MayorBob.

Posted to Religion on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 08:01:54 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

We've had this discussion before.  There were the pharmacists who refused to fill prescriptions for birth control .  There were the Muslim cab drivers at the Minneapolis airport who refused to transport anyone carrying alcohol.  In both instances, the general opinion has been, if moral codes or religious beliefs make it impossible for them to do their jobs, perhaps they ought to think about a career change.  The latest instance of personal beliefs getting in the way of doing a job - Muslim cash register operators refusing to handle pork products -- has a number of people, mostly employers, saying that it's okay.  On the other hand, it's a case which has a lot of people saying, if they can't do their jobs, they shouldn't have those jobs.

This issue also comes to us from the Minneapolis area where Muslims, mostly Somali immigrants, are refusing to scan pork products at their cash registers.  Customers at stores around the Twin Cities area have complained about being asked to scan the items themselves and place them into their shopping bags when they go shopping.  The cashiers apparently are orthodox Muslims who hold to a strict interpretation of the Qur'an which prohibits the handling of pork products.  Thus far, the employers involved have not taken adverse action against the employees.  The Civil Rights Act of 1964 calls for employers to make "reasonable accommodations" for employees' religious practices when they don't present an "undue hardship."  The stores which have had cashiers refuse to ring up particular items have managed to make do by moving the employees to jobs where they don't run into moral dilemmas.  In the words of one labor union leader, supermarkets have been "very good" about recognizing employees' religious customs.

This doesn't mean that the general public is so understanding about this.  A blog, run by a local newspaper reporter, caught a flurry of concerned to outraged reaction to the issue.  Although some commented that Orthodox Jews also have a problem handling pork products, many focused on the fact that these were Muslim immigrants who either "ought to be fired" or "put on a plane" and sent back from whence they came.  Even one Muslim woman indicated that, perhaps the workers ought to realize that this is America and "Bahrain or Egypt" and acclimate a bit better.  Speaking to the issue of acclimation, Dr. Shah Khan from the Islamic Center, said critics of the clerks have it a bit backward:

"Many of these people are refugees. They may have been tortured. And they came here having never held a book in English.  They're already adapting to our society. We need to adapt to them, too."
Khadija Athman, from the Council on American-Islamic Relations, believes it should be a simple matter of the Muslim cashier calling another cashier over to handle the pork products.  Besides, the customer's personal preferences (nor their speedy service apparently) "is usually not a factor in deciding whether a religious practice is protected in the workplace."  As long as the employers are not complaining or taking adverse actions, most legal observers say the case of the Muslim cashiers is a bit different than the pharmacists or the cab drivers.  According to one legal expert, picking up all fares when a driver is available is "is usually not a factor in deciding whether a religious practice is protected in the workplace."  Another noted the cases of the anti-birth control pharmacists "gets a little more difficult in the pharmacy world if you're dealing with a 24-hour pharmacy and the only pharmacist on duty is refusing to fill prescriptions."  That still doesn't mean the general public, being confronted with a cashier refusing to do his or her duties because of their religious beliefs is not upsetting.  According to one such customer who asks what right does one ethnic group have to make their cultural or religious beliefs trump the rest of society, "it goes against the whole idea of this country as different groups of people who came together to create a single culture."

Tags: written by MayorBob, Muslims, religious beliefs, Minneapolis, civil rights (all tags)

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It's hard out here for a pimp

wetkarma.

Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:29:01 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

Really this isn't so much a religious issue as its a cultural problem. Somali's have emigrated in sufficient numbers to now be affecting the culture of the Minneapolis area. Just like how you Vietnamese restaurants are a lot more prevalent in the DC area post 1970s, the Somalis are taking their little traditions with them into the American workplace.

All of these practices break down if you scrutinized them too closely. For example -- there are a plethora of products which contains pig aside from bacon. Cosmetics (just as an example) often contain pork based gelatin but curiously there is no story about Somali's refusing to touch Max Factor products.

Alcohol as another example is contained within the breath of anyone who has downed a glass of whiskey. Curiously cab drivers don't seem to refuse picking up fares from bars or perhaps more logically asking each passenger to take a breathalyzer before entering a cab.

Everyone has their quirks, the religious folks I respect the most are the Amish -- their beliefs are internally consistent for the most part (as far as religious beliefs go) and most importantly they don't seem to seek the benefits of what modern society has to offer while rejecting the parts that they disagree with.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: It's hard out here for a pimp

gerrymander.

Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 11:15:22 AM EST

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most importantly they don't seem to seek the benefits of what modern society has to offer while rejecting the parts that they disagree with.

Well, kind of. The Amish don't seek the benefits of modern society, but they do accept some of them. They just apply the same rigor demanded by their faith to the benefits as well as the detriments.

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A Secret?

uncarved block.

Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 02:59:31 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

   (And not the one that Oprah's pushing. First off, apologies to Bob, as this post won't have much to say about his writeup. These thoughts have been building up for a while, though, and finally bubbled up this week into a desire to post.)

    Marx famously claimed that "religion is the opiate of the masses", and the aphorism has been repeated so often that it's become cliche. So let me ask this-- since Marx was so wrong about a whole slew of other things, shouldn't this assertion be reconsidered, especially with religion making so much news in the last couple years? Especially with a president and party who have made religion a virtue not to be questioned?
   A look at European history doesn't seem to bear this out much. The Inquisition is the usual whipping boy here, but the wars of the Reformation and Counter-Reformation are what I'd point to instead. Were there other factors involved in, say, the 30 Years War? Sure, but religion was certainly a major factor-- likewise with the English civil war. Asking whether religion was a cause or an excuse seems hopelessly reductive; "both" would be my answer, with religion being the force driving other conflicts (between Parliament and crown, say) into foreground issues. An opiate? A lot closer to meth, if you ask me.
   So why did this destruction end? In part because commercial centers like Antwerp and Amsterdam started looking like very attractive alternatives, especially when the news of the carnage and destruction in Germany started spreading around Europe. (The extent is now questioned by historians, I see, but that doesn't change how the reports were viewed at the time.) Tolerance became the norm not because of any deep religious or philosophical underpinnings, but rather because tolerance was better for business-- and a whole lot of people were beginning to benefit directly from trade at at level never seen before. In short, Business replaced God as the proper center of the State.
   Simplistic history, and I apologize for that, but I think it's necessary background to the argument that first step toward democracy is turning citizens into "bad" Christians. (Bad in the sense that devotion, zeal even, take a back seat to other concerns.) And not just Christians: you can buy pork all over Israel, for example, even though it's a thoroughly Jewish state. Taken literally, every religion in the world except Christianity is either heretical (Islam, Judaism) or the work of Satan (everything else.)  Yet only a zealous few American Christians (and I've met a few) take this notion very seriously-- in short, they're "bad" Christians, as Jack Chick is quite willing to tell you. In the example of the pharmacist, the quick reaction is that he should place business ahead of God, or else find a different line of work-- a radical statement 400 years ago, now commonplace.
   So when we get to the tinderbox that is the Middle East, and the Islamic world in general, one solution to the violence- and the solution that will last, IMO- will be to turn the majority of the population into "bad" Muslims. No prayers five times a day; no Ramadan; alcohol for sale seven days a week at the corner store; and so on, and so on. Business ahead of Allah-- radical now, but perhaps worth working for as a commonplace thirty or fifty years from now. Anyone want to jump on this train with me?
    A simple solution, but one very, very hard to bring about, especially without massive turmoil. It's going to be even harder to bring about because the driving force in the world, America, has nobody in power politically that can embrace it. Certainly not Republicans, who are constantly flattering religious voters, or the Democrats who have been hammered for years at the polls on the matter. Liberals? Forget it, not with a long tradition of skepticism toward capitalism. Conservatives? Slightly better, except for the loud contingent who are either looking for a new holy war themselves, or are too xenophobic to bother-- or both. (Lou Dobbs is working to make Dems competitive in this area too, from what I gather-- hardly good news.) This was one reason why McCain as president isn't a disturbing thought, even if he's more conservative than he pretends; he "gets" the religion thing, IMO, and that would be a huge step forward in US foreign policy in the ME. Whether or not his party would follow is a depressing question to consider . . .
    Too simplistic, probably, and maybe not worth your time. But I haven't run across anyone along the political spectrum who has written or spoken much along these lines, or at all. Flipping around the accepted CW, and challenging Marx's cliche, seemed worth doing. As always, thank you all for your time and patience.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: A Secret?

Thalia.

Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 01:21:47 AM EST

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Is it a bad Christian who remembers that tolerance is important, the concept of "let the one without sin cast the first stone," and that outward shows of piety are not the important part of religion?  I would consider such a Christian to be a good one.  Same for Muslims who remember the virtues of tolerance, loving your neighbors and respecting the people of the book.  It seems to me that the core problem is with people who decide that public demonstrations of their values is more important than private acts.  That charity and goodwill toward men is not as important as casting that stone, and declaring that heretic.  All three Abrahamic religions have a strong push towards tolerance and even love of non-believers, and against public demonstrations of faith while privately not following its tenets.  Unfortunately, the ones who value hate and exhibitionistic demonstrations of faith are winning.

How about we hope instead that these folks become better Muslims, and Christians, and remember the importance of good deeds, charity, and forgiveness?

Thalia

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Re: A Secret?

arromdee.

Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 08:55:32 AM EST

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The problem is that such a vague, general, command as being tolerant can't possibly mean "be tolerant of anything and everything".  There have to be some limits.  And once you accept that, there's little reason for a much more specific command to not tolerate some particular thing to be overridden by the religion's general command to be tolerant.

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Re: A Secret?

Thalia.

Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 01:53:00 PM EST

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Neither Christianity nor Judaism have only "vague, general, commands" about tolerance.  They have specific examples about being tolerant of people of other religions (Samaritan), people who behave sinfully (harlot), intolerant, etc.  I can't speak to Islam, because I must admit that I have not read the Koran, even in translation.

Thalia

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Re: A Secret?

shane.

Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 01:14:13 PM EST

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Be tolerant of anything and everything.  Maybe tolerant isn't a clear word.  I don't mean to allow people to do harm to yourself or others.  I do mean that you should approach each interaction with compassion and understanding.  If someone is hurting you, instead of becoming angry, have compassion for them.  They themselves are hurt and that is why they are hurting you.  Have compassion, try to help them, and hopefully  you both can benefit from the interaction.

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Re: A Secret?

coquito.

Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 01:18:50 PM EST

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Business ahead of Allah-- radical now, but perhaps worth working for as a commonplace thirty or fifty years from now. Anyone want to jump on this train with me?

Sure. I would. So would a great many people, Christian, Jew, Muslim and Atheist alike. We call them "moderates" (or if you wanna get dirty, "secular"). I mean, seriously, there are such Muslims not only in America, but in other parts of the world as well, including the ME. I don't think our current policy in the ME is really helping that movement, however.  Like the spread of capitalism and democracy, I think secularism is best spread by friendly trade. So send someone in the ME a case of porn and 40oz of Schlitz today!

Now with caps!

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Matthew 6 called. It wants its example back.

pO157.

Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 09:31:36 AM EST

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(Or: I know it's light beer, but COME ON!)

This one time when I was living in an extremely conservative religious area of the country I went to the store with a co-worker. She bought a case of beer, and (no joke) the cashier left her station after scanning it to go wash her hands, leaving us waiting over five minutes in the middle of the transaction and allowing the line to back up, all so she could do her little show of religious piety.  To this day I regret not making a bigger fuss about the whole thing.

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In related news...

port1080.

Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 11:59:03 AM EST

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There's a story on Salon's Broadsheet blog column about a relevant ruling on birth control:

Here's an interesting question: Is it sexual discrimination for a company's health plan to exclude coverage of contraceptives? The answer is "no," according to the 8th U.S. Circuit of Appeals. The court just ruled that Union Pacific Railroad's health plan is not discriminatory because it neglects coverage of both female contraceptives (like birth control pills and diaphragms) and male birth control methods (like condoms and vasectomies). Sounds like UPR's health plan needs a snappy new slogan: "All plan members receive the same crappy treatment!"

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Thick With Irony.

kcwookie.

Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 08:10:39 PM EST

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This story is thick with irony.  Christians and Muslims don't see eye to eye, but yet they are bed fellows in a dispute over religious beliefs.  Only in America!

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Re: Sorry, My Moral Code...

socky.

Thu Mar 22, 2007 at 01:01:32 PM EST

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On a similar theme, some people might be interested in this - some key elements are different - this is about the UK Government making it illegal for organisations (in this case adoption agencies) to discriminate against gay or lesbian couples. Basically, if they won't assess same-sex couples on the same terms as man-woman couples as potential adoptive parents, they will be breaking the law, in about 18 months.

My instinctive reaction to this was to be delighted and relieved that the PM, whose moral and political judgment is all over the place, had made this decision. However I did (honestly!) think it over again in light of some of the complaints that prayed in aid religious freedom, etc - definitely not any of the ones from this bloke, who is a walking joke about Jesuitical rhetoric.

The main complaint was that Catholic adoption agencies will be "forced to close". Hmm. In the first place, catholics working in adoption may have some funny views - as might anyone working anywhere - but they are more likely than priests to be pragmatic when faced with a child and what seems to be a stable couple. So that cuts the numbers down. However, even if some agencies did close, where do all the children, and the married couples who would otherwise have used Popetots inc, go? er, to the non-closed agencies, surely. The campaigners even specifically went on about "hard-to-place" children being the ones their agencies deal with - an increase in supply of parents can hardly be a bad thing.  Only if a number of (otherwise) sensible, stable married couples, who would have made great adoptive parents, decide to shun the whole process because now they know that poofs have sat on the same waiting-room furniture, can I see a problem.  (And what sort of parents would they turn out to be if their "hard-to-place" child turned out to be a criminal against nature and God?)

I am glad that the govt made this decision, via the reasoning above or otherwise. If treating a same-sex couple fairly in assessing them as parents is simply impossible for some people, I frankly wouldn't trust them to judge the good marrieds from the bad.

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Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 03:49:00 AM EST

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