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Death Isn't The End

rEvolution inAction.

Posted to Religion on Sat Apr 28, 2007 at 04:39:23 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Human traditions are built around the disposal of our bodies after we've died. The major religions all have their rituals and such, but it is the bodies themselves that we should be concerned with, specifically the environmental damage caused by our burial practices.

The standard options for Christians are burial in a casket (as required by law in Germany) or cremation. Hindus are supposed to be cremated and the ashes disposed of in rivers. Muslims and Jews are buried wrapped in linen, and for those hard-core Zoroastrians there are the Towers of Silence where there bodies are strewn high above the ground to be picked clean by vultures so as not to pollute the earth (although they were also known to entomb bodies as well).

Recently, Roger Short of the University of Melbourne, said people could instead choose to help the environment after death by being buried in a cardboard box under a tree, noting that cremation adds to global warming. Rather than filling a human body with poisons (embalming fluid), killing a tree to make a box and then keeping the area where that is buried free of encroaching vegetation, or releasing hydrocarbons into the air while cremating the corpse, some are suggesting a more natural way (their slogan: "save a forest, plant yourself").

While graveyards often end up reusing space after 100 years or so, and they will try to find descendants of previous plot owners and hit them up for money instead of burying new bodies in the previously occupied spaces, most are overcrowded. Given that the human population is just going to keep going up, unless we change our antiquated corpse disposal traditions we may end up in a world covered in tombstones.

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by rEvolution inAction, death, burial (all tags)

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Trees 'n Death

Tbola.

Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 07:50:52 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

I was a big fan of the concept of "burial under a tree", and then I tried to dig a hole to bury our much-loved family dog.
Digging a hole to bury something that used to be bouncy, alive, and your pal was hard enough - without having my shovel run aground of all the roots (everything from large ones you'd eventually have to chop your way through with an axe to the fine root "netting" that seems to spread out everywhere around a tree that seemed to catch on the shovel every time I tried to throw a pile of dirt out of the hole.)
So after swearing, and chopping and hacking my way through a chunk of this tree's life support system to bury my dead dog, I didn't feel quite as good about my choice of location as I did before.

I know that if you were burying a person, you'd have a backhoe to tear through all of those roots and dig a really decent hole to plant that dead bag of meat into.  But Jebus, think about that for a second - it's like trying to be respectful of a life passed by being shitty to stuff that's still living.

(Granted, I have no idea how much root damage you can do to a tree before the tree is affected - but I think the process of manually hacking through all of those roots that one day made me feel more than a little guilty about it.)

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Re: Trees 'n Death

skeptic.

Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 09:46:48 AM EST

none

Good point.  Being buried under a tree is not so easy to arrange, the tree or its roots get in the way of digging.  It is much easier to be buried in open ground and then have a baby tree planted on top - a suggestion which has already come up in another discussion (the one about the approval of the Wiccan pentacle as an option for military headstones).

I don't know that trees are essential to the process anyway.  As long as the body is not embalmed or sealed in any kind of impermeable casket, there are all kinds of soil organisms, including nematodes, earthworms, mites, fungi, etc., which are going to consume the remaining flesh and recycle nutrients back into the soil ecosystem, even if there is no tree.  

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Re: Death Isn't The End

permazorch.

Tue May 01, 2007 at 01:44:24 AM EST

5.00 (funny)

I'm already signed up for donating my organs.
But, if I hadn't done that, upon death, I would be
A) Freeze-dried in attack position, with teeth bared (like a grizzly). Rahrrr!
B) Incased in a giant lucite block.

----- The earth may fail, but we will quiver

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Re: Death Isn't The End

rEvolution inAction.

Tue May 01, 2007 at 03:10:25 AM EST

none

A really got me, best laugh I've had all day.

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Make Me Food

keta.

Tue May 01, 2007 at 03:18:30 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

Just take my bag of bones out to sea, weight me down, and slip me over the side.

I've clubbed enough fish over the head to think it would be nice to just feed 'em, for once.

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Re: Death Isn't The End

thefadd.

Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 10:57:27 PM EST

none

Letting vultures devour my body seems extreme but it would be kinda cool to be buried under a tree, like instead of a family plot to have a big huge tree everyone in your family is buried under. Tangentially, it's interesting the way we treat cemetaries today when during the Victorian era they were celebrated like public parks.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: Death Isn't The End

rEvolution inAction.

Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:36:25 AM EST

none

I think that cemetaries became what they are because of the invasion of illegal vampires from eastern Europe.

On another topic, what kind of tree do you want?

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thefadd.

Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:26:33 PM EST

3.00 (funny)

I'm picturing a big old knarled one like in Pan's Labyrinth. When I was a kid my parents planted a tree for me and it was "my tree" until one year we used it as our christmas tree.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: Death Isn't The End

tomc.

Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:58:09 AM EST

none

I want to be buried under the tree that grew where my mom planted our placenta.

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Re: Death Isn't The End

rEvolution inAction.

Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 02:18:11 PM EST

none

Very full circle of you, but you should check Tbola's response.

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Re: Death Isn't The End

thefadd.

Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 03:21:49 PM EST

none

Not in reaction to Tom's post but more in reaction to the idea of burrying under a tree in general...depending on where you live, it's also not such a great idea. In burrying a dead animal of any type, you have to go far enough under the ground (six feet) that it doesn't get dug up by other still living animals. But in a lot of places, that's when you hit the water table. Besides having to deal with that, putting dead things in the water supply isn't the best of ideas. I'd think the best way to go about doing in general terms would be to be burried just a few feet under ground and to then plant and protect a new sappling over top. Then you'd be theoretically growing into the sappling and by protecting the area for the tree, you'd keep everything from getting dug up anyway.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: Death Isn't The End

rEvolution inAction.

Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 11:49:19 PM EST

none

That, I would think, is the best way to do it. Hadn't thought about the possibility of poisoning the water supply (where I live we don't get our water from the ground).

Hmmm.. I just realised I missed an important option for the poll: Cremated, ashes kept in an urn on your child's mantlepiece. I guess that would count as scattered... if the movies are to be believed.

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John says it best

Lou.

Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 04:28:39 PM EST

none

Please Don't Bury Me (cover)

Woke up this morning
Put on my slippers
Walked in the kitchen and died
And oh what a feeling!
When my soul
Went thru the ceiling
And on up into heaven I did ride
When I got there they did say
John, it happened this way
You slipped upon the floor
And hit your head
And all the angels say
Just before you passed away
These were the very last words
That you said:

Chorus:
Please don't bury me
Down in that cold cold ground
No, I'd druther have "em" cut me up
And pass me all around
Throw my brain in a hurricane
And the blind can have my eyes
And the deaf can take both of my ears
If they don't mind the size
Give my stomach to Milwaukee
If they run out of beer
Put my socks in a cedar box
Just get "em" out of here
Venus de Milo can have my arms
Look out! I've got your nose
Sell my heart to the junkman
And give my love to Rose

Repeat Chorus

Give my feet to the footloose
Careless, fancy free
Give my knees to the needy
Don't pull that stuff on me
Hand me down my walking cane
It's a sin to tell a lie
Send my mouth way down south
And kiss my ass goodbye

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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I've known how I want to be laid to rest

3fingerspointback.

Sat May 05, 2007 at 09:45:23 PM EST

none

...ever since I saw that Nine Inch Nails video.  Go, piggie, go!

(is 3fingerspointback)

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