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Saudi Claim Major Terror-Bust

thefadd.

Posted to Sport on Wed May 02, 2007 at 10:35:02 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Saudi Arabia has claimed to have pulled off a massive terror-ring bust by arresting 170+ people. The cells, all reportedly connected to the "Al-Qaeda" brandname, had trained the suspects in arms and aircraft both in Saudi Arabia and abroad. The planns for attacks were reportedly already drawn up, with targets in Saudi Arabia and abroad, including America.

While many of the suspects were native-Saudis, a good number were also migrant workers from the greater Middle East area and Africa. Allegedly they comprised seven terror cells and were trained in, among other places, Iraq. In addition to guns and other heavy weaponry, more than $5 million dollars in Saudi currency was recovered.

The bust lit the bloggosphere afire but failed to garner major play in the mainstream media.

The trained individuals were far along in the planning stages, apparently awaiting only a the proclaimation of a "zero hour." This drew comparisons to the attacks nearly six years ago of September 11, 2001 in the United States. Saudi oil fields and royal homes were supposedly targetted, though, in addition to possible unspecified US targets.

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Re: Saudi Claim Major Terror-Bust

skeptic.

Thu May 03, 2007 at 12:11:33 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

It's interesting that Saudi Arabia is targeted by terrorists.  One might imagine that Saudi Arabia, the center of the Muslim religious world and home of Mecca and the Grand Mosque, Islam's holiest site, would not be a likely target of Muslim extremists.  But then, Saudi Arabia also has a very close business relationship with the US, which is, of course, the #2 target for Muslim extremists everywhere, following only Israel.  Furthermore, the corruption of the ruling House of Saud is truly spectacular.  The immense oil wealth of Saudi Arabia is essentially appropriated for the benefit of a single family.  The country is crying out for a revolution.  But with all the other middle eastern conflicts currently taking place, any revolution in Saudi Arabia is likely to draw in various participants with many other objectives besides better government.  And the US will feel obligated to oppose terrorism even if the terrorism is justifiable as a response to Saudi corruption.  So, it's a difficult situation.  There seem to be few easy answers to anything in the middle east.

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Re: Saudi Claim Major Terror-Bust

thefadd.

Thu May 03, 2007 at 01:47:37 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

You're putting the cart before the horse. Osama's #1 target isn't the US but the Saudi government. To come at terrorism from the right angle, it's important not to be US centric but middle east centric. Islamic terrorism is a middle east problem first and a US problem by extension because of our consumption of oil. The US government, in the form of the Bush family is firmly in the pocket of Saudi oil interests. The reason American oil interests want Iraq's oil is to get out from under the thumb of Saudi oil.

Social and political power in Saudi Arabia are not even distributed as much as they are in Iran. It's an old school royal family style government -- they don't share the wealth, they oppress their people, and they are seen as not pious enough by the religious extremists in their country whose very existence is spawned by their oppressive and exploitative ways. Recall the radio propaganda the Saudis run in America every once in awhile to try to get Americans to like them more. Saudi Arabia is no puppet regime of America. In many more ways, ours regime is their puppet. It is not our war being fought there but their war being fought here.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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or not

1fastdog.

Thu May 03, 2007 at 02:06:57 PM EST

none

The reason American oil interests want Iraq's oil is to get out from under the thumb of Saudi oil.

I'll disagree. Record profits don't happen gazillions of barrels flooding the market. American oil interests are perfectly happy being under the Saudi's thumb.

With Saddam gone and Iraq unstable, everyone in Big Oil, including our very own companies, benefits by that oil in Iraq staying right where it is: underground and unavailable. So we didn't go into Iraq to get the oil out, we went there to keep it securely locked away and unavailable. Just like the Saudis and Big Oil wanted it to be. The less oil available, the higher the price consumers have to pay for it.

Somewhere in my soul, there's always Rock -n- Roll... Joe Strummer

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rombuu.

Thu May 03, 2007 at 04:13:44 PM EST

3.50 (astute)

I love how the story has gone we invaded Iraq for oil to we invaded Iraq to keep oil away from people.  I mean, that does pretty much cover all the bases.

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thefadd.

Thu May 03, 2007 at 05:38:07 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

Not really. If you look at it from a market perspective, it's the same thing. That's why I say that claim strengthens my argument. Controlling the commodity is the first key, distribution a distant second. How can a Reagan defender pretend not to understand that?

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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thefadd.

Thu May 03, 2007 at 02:20:59 PM EST

none

Then our government is even more of a puppet than I thought.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: Saudi Claim Major Terror-Bust

skeptic.

Fri May 04, 2007 at 09:49:48 AM EST

none

I do agree that terrorism which originates in the middle east is about middle eastern concerns, it is not primarily about the US.  However, the US has a close connection to events in the middle east.  There is no question that the nation of Israel has only been able to survive for the past 59 years because of US support.  That is the most unforgivable crime of the US as seen by Muslim fanatics, although there are many other crimes of which the US is deemed to be guilty.  US support for the Shah of Iran was also a very serious issue (for which the US is still hated in Iran) and then there's the fact that the US has largely dominated the entire world, since WW II, and has used that dominance to export a culture which is distinctly non-Islamic, and which is to some extent even anti-Islamic, given that the supposedly unbiased and religiously free US tends to be dominated by Christians who are in many cases intolerant of other religions or points of view.  The US still sends out a variety of Christian missionaries to convert the heathens in other countries.  And then there's the war in Iraq, which has been managed clumsily enough to create even more resentment of the US (not including the Kurds, who appreciate US efforts).  So there are lots of reasons for Muslims to hate the US.

It may still be that Osama bin Laden personally cares more about reforming Saudi Arabia than he does about bringing down the US, although it is difficult to know exactly what he is thinking - and despite his periodic public statements, I personally have some reservations about his candor.  He is not necessarily telling us his true thinking.  And again, just as the US protects Israel, it also protects Saudi Arabia, whose oil exports are greatly valued.  Even if Saudi Arabia is target #1 for al Qaeda, it would still be true that only the US stands in the way of taking over Saudi Arabia.  So, everything considered, I will stand by my claim that the US is target #2, after Israel, for Muslim terrorists.

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port1080.

Fri May 04, 2007 at 12:24:06 AM EST

4.00 (interesting)

The Saudi's have a long history of not being radical enough for certain members of their religion. In 1979, 500 extremists seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca and held it for about two weeks. The Saudi's were unable to retake the Mosque themselves, and eventually had to call in French commandos to do their dirty work for them. Fascinating stuff, but it's not something that gets much coverage anymore, for whatever reason.

Ce n'est pas une pipe. C'est une signature.

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nmiguy.

Mon May 07, 2007 at 10:09:22 AM EST

none

What's so strange about that?  If you are a terrorist, and you blow up a Muslim mosque in Saudi Arabia, and make it look like the US did it, you will be able to get countless Muslims to join in the "holy war".  

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skeptic.

Mon May 07, 2007 at 11:02:23 AM EST

none

If the terrorists could destroy the Grand Mosque and pin it on the US, that would be a great propaganda victory, combined with a crushing religious loss.  One has to wonder how a fanatical Muslim would be able to balance those two factors.  Would someone destroy the most revered object in his or her religion for a strategic purpose?  And even that strategic purpose is uncertain, since there is always the possibility that people will uncover the truth, thus discrediting Muslim terrorists rather than discrediting the US.  Still, people have done stupider things, one cannot rule it out.

Also, this would be a great departure from existing tactics.  The purpose of terrorism is to inspire terror, in hopes that the terrified enemy will therefore surrender.  To make a terrorist attack appear to have been committed by your enemy might make that enemy more frightening.

If the US were to adopt a deliberate policy of terrorism (as compared to the accidental terrorism of "collateral damage") maybe Muslims would become frightened of America, perhaps so frightened that they would no longer wish to antagonize America.  The war on terror might go in that direction in the future.  If the US becomes sufficiently terrified, it will become correspondingly more ruthless.  Terrorists are very naive in expecting that a terrified America will just roll over and play dead, so that Islam can triumph everywhere.  On the contrary, the more terrified America becomes, the more viciously it will fight back.  If the US ever does decide to destroy the Grand Mosque (which it may), the most effective strategy would be to wait until the mosque is packed with religious pilgrims, and then hit it with a nuclear missile, with massive loss of life.  This would certainly be an effective use of terror, which would demonstrate that Islam does not have a monopoly on that particular tactic.  Of course, as long as the US wishes to continue to import oil from Saudi Arabia or anywhere else in the Muslim world, such an escalation of hostilities would seem to be unwise - even aside from the moral objections, which are very severe.  Still, in times of war, it is hard for one side to maintain higher moral standards than the other, because that way the other, more ruthless side will have an advantage, and may therefore win the conflict.  

Those who use terrorism may very well eventually be subjected to it.  Sort of like the old familiar biblical quote, he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.

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nmiguy.

Tue May 08, 2007 at 10:00:47 AM EST

none

If one is a terrorist, an al Qaea member or something, one does not have to be a Muslim, one only has to say he's a muslim and acting on a muslim cause.  In Iraq, Muslims did destroy a famous mosque.  

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skeptic.

Tue May 08, 2007 at 01:20:53 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

Actually, the destruction of the famous mosque in Iraq does not prove that the terrorists in question were not Muslim; some mosques, after all, are sacred to Sunni Muslims and some are sacred to Shiite Muslims.  To destroy the mosque of what is from your viewpoint a heretical sect, is not an irreligious act.  However, the Grand Mosque is sacred to all Muslims of whatever sect.

Of course, non-Muslim terrorists do exist.  We have had some spectacular examples in the US.  Still, in Saudi Arabia, terrorists are generally Muslim.

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pO157.

Tue May 15, 2007 at 09:59:48 AM EST

none

I would hope nobody ever pulls a stunt like that, although I know there are unfortunately countless whackos who would probably do something that stupid just to be able to sit back and watch the chaos envelope the region/world.

Bust a move!

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Off topic snark

Lou.

Thu May 03, 2007 at 07:52:07 PM EST

none

lit the bloggosphere afire

I'm sure lots of other blogs lit up as well...but that's not my point.

My point is this.

GodDAMN, AtlasShurgged has one motherfucking HUGE ego.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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"Mainstream Media"

pO157.

Thu May 03, 2007 at 10:50:11 PM EST

none

Out of curiosity, did this garner much press in the Kingdom?

I wonder why this didn't play out on even the 24 hour cable news channels in the US (did FOXnews cover this? I figure they'd be ecstatic with reports about a global ally on the war on terror rounding up some bad guys). Why was this covered so poorly? I can think of a few potential reasons off the top of my head:

  1. Fatigue with reporting "foiled plots" that turn out to have been hatched by some guy talking to somebody in some bar 3-7 years ago which in reality never were going to come to fruition, but are good for a global increase to Code Orange.

  2. The general sense of isolation our two giant oceans to either end seem to bless/curse the US with. Is it hard to care about events in other countries halfway around the world, even if they directly affect us?

  3. Who cares if they got arrested in Saudi Arabia? Even though the plot supposedly would have stretched to the US, it was centered in the middle east. Unless the people had a decent chance to set foot on US soil and hurt Americans, folks from here might not care what happens to other world citizens.

So, pay your money and take your choice. Or is it multi-factorial, or none of the above?

Nihilists! I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

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