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Posted to Business on Fri May 04, 2007 at 07:19:43 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Just as Heidi Fleiss blew up Hollywood with a hooker scandal in the 90's, Deborah Jeane Palfrey is set to uncover the dirty little secrets of many major US Federal Government officials in Washington, D.C. Allegedly, Palfrey has been running a high end escort service since about the time Fleiss was busted and now Palfrey herself is being brought before a court. But she's not going it alone.

She's doing it with the lists of her entire client base. Randall L. Tobias, former chief of Ely Lily and AT&T at various times and most recently a foreign aid advisor to the State Department claimed to ABC News that he only called "Pamela Martin and Associates" for massage services. Nevertheless, he is the first of what is expected to be many to resign.

Some of the evidence being brought against "Miz Julia" includes email blast newsletters that she sent to the women who worked for her, which included tips such as:

The misogynists get a real kick out of surprising (shocking) you girls, when you give them the opportunity!!! ... Therefore, you are to lock, double lock, triple lock all doors!!!

As part of her defense, Palfrey has claimed that her $300 per hour escort service provided university educated women who would engage in legal game-playing of a sexual nature. The bombshell portion of her defense, however, consists of her promise to release the names and phone numbers of more than 10,000 clients. Among those Palfrey claims she will subpoena is "regular client" and co-creator of the Iraqi invasion technique known as "Shock & Awe," naval commander Harlan Ullman. Her lawyer claims to have been contacted by numerous other attorneys in the past week, each wanting to know if their client was on "the list."

Palfrey will appear on ABC's 20/20 this week in an exclusive interview. 20/20's Brian Ross has seen at least part of the list and confirms that it includes "very prominent people," some of whom are former Pamela Martin and Associates "employees" who now hold "important and serious jobs."

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Re: Shock & Law

ms sue.

Fri May 04, 2007 at 09:22:01 AM EST

none

Two things that make me laugh about this: If it's a massage you want, that your only option is an escort service; that anyone still uses the word "gal" (sorry -- Central American "gals").

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keta.

Fri May 04, 2007 at 05:25:04 PM EST

none

Those gals massaged him haggard, methinks.

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tomc.

Sat May 05, 2007 at 02:39:00 AM EST

5.00 (informative)

It was the guys that massaged Haggard.

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nmiguy.

Mon May 07, 2007 at 01:26:50 PM EST

none

Sue, I am a bit old fashioined at times.  What exactly is the thing with "gals"?  Is it that "gals" is an old fashioned or folksy word, or does it hold some special offense?  

I used to work for a woman who was from Albania and she hated for me to use the word "folks" as it meant something demeaning to her class sensibilities.  

If I referred to a group of women as "gals" is that offensive?  Or is that dependent upon the age of the women, their social class etc?  I wouldn't have taken note that the word was even used, except that you brought it up that you didn't think people used that word anymore.  

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ms sue.

Mon May 07, 2007 at 07:25:11 PM EST

none

I personally don't like the word, and I may have trouble explaining why it hits me wrong. Apparently, though, I'm not alone: If you check out the link I provided in my post, you'll see that it can be construed as offensive:

And if things were not bad enough, Mr. Tobias is quoted in his ABC interview as saying that he 'invited gals to come over to the condo' to give him a massage, stating a special preference for 'Central American gals.' Did he really say 'gals'? Mr. Tobias is one step away from being the Don Inus of global health.

I think it has less to do with "the age of the women, " as you asked, and more to do with the man who uses the word. If an older guy refers to a neighbor as "that nice gal next door," I may cringe momentarily, but I wouldn't ascribe any agenda to his choice of words.

I think that the main problem was in the workplace or a more professional or formal setting. Note that you probably don't see any ads for a "gal Friday" anymore. To refer to a female employee as a "gal" anything is pretty much a relic of what some think was a far more sexist time. It's about as demeaning as calling a male hire a "boy," assuming of course that he's an adult.

So back to Tobias: His repetition of the word indicated that these were not women he paid to provide a service, they were "gals" whom he "invited over" to give him a massage. While he may have been simply trying to downplay their role as professionals :-), it comes across, perhaps obliquely, as demeaning and disrespectful. They're just some gals who come when he calls. And his preference for Central American gals made them sound like a menu item.  

Little semantic things like this are so hard to explain to those who might never have experienced what it feels like to be casually referred to with a belittling term and who then run the risk of being dismissed for being hypersensitive.

Hey, the "gal" thing is hardly major; it's just one more sadly amusing facet of the hypocrisy so inevitably the result of the sanctimony with which this administration is imbued.

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nmiguy.

Tue May 08, 2007 at 10:12:01 AM EST

none

Thank you Sue for your response.  I promise not to refer to you as a "gal" as it rubs you the wrong way.  

It just seems that more and more of the relics of ancient vernacular are disposed of because they are offensive.  Calling a boy a boy is offensive.  Calling  gal a gal is offensive.  I can't refer to people as folks, I have to call them people.  Language is so restrictive these days, there is a plethora of wonderful words from yesteryear that connotate people in a descriptive sense that are now taboo.

Nowadays, if you call a prostitute a whore, you've crossed that line.  If you call a gay man a fag you are a homophobe and an asshole.  I understand that many words are meant to be hurtful and pejorative.   But then there are words that are innocuous, that are from a prior generation where there is no bad intent, like "gal".  In the old days a woman coudl say "I'm a gal", or "I'm his gal" as easily as a man could say "she's my gal".  A term of affection.  But in the modern word, it hearkens back to a more sexist time.  I wonder if these times are overly sensitive to the point of being restrictive and still sexist?  It seems to me that to take an innocuous word like "gal" which in its day was often a word of affection and kindness, and ascribe it as an insult is kind of weird.  But if the word has that affect, I wonder why.  What does that say about our modern sensibilities?  

I think this is something worthy of deeper thought.  

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ms sue.

Tue May 08, 2007 at 10:45:30 AM EST

none

It seems to me that to take an innocuous word like "gal" which in its day was often a word of affection and kindness, and ascribe it as an insult is kind of weird.

What I was trying to explain to you was that "gal" was not always so innocuous. Seems my post was for naught and my fear of the "overly sensitive" label was spot on.

 

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nmiguy.

Tue May 08, 2007 at 11:52:22 AM EST

none

What I was trying to explain to you was that "gal" was not always so innocuous.

Well the thing is, it is difficult to really see it as not innocuous.  I mean, i find it difficult to conceive of "back in the day" that men or anyone would use the word "gal" in a spirit that was meant to keep women down in any way.  In the day there were songs like "My Gal Sal".  I have tried to look it up.  The dictionary just states it as a slang for woman or girl.  It also references a cockney slang for girl.

I mean, perhaps you feel the label of "overly sensitive" is spot on because you explain the word as not innocuous without example?  I am not saying you are overly sensitive, only that today's world is very sensitive to the words and language that people use.  When common phrases become euphemisms, and normal words become off limits, the label oddly fits.  For example the phrase "tar baby" or the word "negro" are no longer acceptable words and phrases.  It seems like "gal" may be going that route.  

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ms sue.

Tue May 08, 2007 at 05:17:29 PM EST

none

Well the thing is, it is difficult to really see it as not innocuous.

Seems your mind was made up before you asked me for my opinion.  

I mean, perhaps you feel the label of "overly sensitive" is spot on because you explain the word as not innocuous without example?

Sorry I can't recall exact conversations, so I had figured that the following would have sufficed and been even more helpful:

I think that the main problem was in the workplace or a more professional or formal setting. Note that you probably don't see any ads for a "gal Friday" anymore. To refer to a female employee as a "gal" anything is pretty much a relic of what some think was a far more sexist time. It's about as demeaning as calling a male hire a "boy," assuming of course that he's an adult.

As for  your the phrase "tar baby" or the word "negro" are no longer acceptable words and phrases.  It seems like "gal" may be going that route, I so miss the good ol' days. Damn PC police have ruined all the fun.

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pc police

nmiguy.

Wed May 09, 2007 at 08:23:29 AM EST

none

Sue, I am curious as to whether modern "pc" sensibilities have become ingrained in our emotional reactions to the vernacular of yesteryear.  Language does change and evolve.  Back in the 80's there wa a common phrase "she's fresh" which meant something entirely different from what an elder generation would mean by calling a person "fresh".  Older generations would see that as meaning a person was flippant or disrespectful to an elder.  But in the 80's fresh was a compliment, a clean looking exciting and energetic pretty young girl.  Now that phrase has left popular vernacular entirely.  It was a fad.  

Now "gal" if it is a relic, coulld be considered a fad, but I don't really think it was.  "Groovy" is a fad and a relic from the 60's and 70's.  But if you use it today to refer to somebody, it is not insulting.  No negative connotation.  If today someone called you fresh or groovy, you may not see it as an insult.  But if they call you a gal, it is something that you are uncomfortable with.  

Seems like Webster's dictionary needs to update the word.  It means something else now.  

Thanks for your opinion.  I think I learned something I did not know.  

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thefadd.

Wed May 09, 2007 at 02:42:22 PM EST

none

Personally, I think gal was an acceptable term at the time but used in a way that we now deem inappropriate. The whole context of the way the term was used then has basically been deemed inappropriate. You don't have "office gals" working as secretaries in otherwise male dominated worlds anymore. "Gal" wasn't deemed an offensive word then and it isn't really (in my mind) an offensive word now. But its use does conjure up a time and a place that is now contextually offensive and degrading.

To me, it's none too different from the term "gay" as in "that's so gay" (ie, dumb). In elementary school in the 80's, we used it to mean dumb and we thought nothing of it. None of us now or then intend insult on homosexual people. That the word likely came from that wasn't really known to us at the time. Sometimes, I still want to use the word that way because it was a specific grade of stupid, somewhere in between just plain dumb and moderately annoying.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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3fingerspointback.

Sun May 06, 2007 at 04:03:30 AM EST

none

Palfrey can claim legality as much as she likes, but her own newsletters make it pretty obvious that she was expecting her girls to get dirty with her clients.

I'm not clear on exactly what Palfrey's strategy is here.  You'd think that threatening a number of prominent lawyers, judges, politicians, and other powerful people would be a bad approach for someone facing prison.  Palfrey risks getting the maximum penalty for the stuff she actually did do.  Also, the the prosecutors might choose to dump their backlog of unresolved vice charges on her in the hope of making something additional stick.  Also, one of her more powerful clients might resort to violence to shut her up.  Perhaps her real play is to solicit bids from her johns to excise their names from the list before she publishes it?  Or maybe she is enough of a egomaniac to believe that after years of service to DC elite, she deserves the same respect accorded her clients.

Either way, I'm going to go with my own self-interest in entertainment.  So I'm rooting for no one to pay her, and for her to survive long enough to out everyone interesting on the list.

(is 3fingerspointback)

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My Hunch

uncarved block.

Sun May 06, 2007 at 09:04:44 AM EST

none

   And it is strictly a hunch, is that she was told, or at least believed, that her operation had some kind of protection, someone who could derail an investigation before it started. (What if some of the names end up being top FBI agents?) If so, then this move might be nothing more than revenge, anger that one side of a deal was allowed to drop.
   Pure speculation, but it would be a "human" explanation for what's admittedly a baffling legal strategy. I've noted before that revenge is a popular hobby inside the Beltway, and she might have picked up that habit.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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3fingerspointback.

Sun May 06, 2007 at 10:44:08 PM EST

none

If we really want to add a twist to this conspiracy theory, we might speculate that her protector was one of the US Attorneys fired by Bush last year.  Maybe this is Palfrey's last resort now that she has no one she knows she can count on?

(is 3fingerspointback)

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Nah

uncarved block.

Sun May 06, 2007 at 11:16:08 PM EST

none

   That would be ironic, but really I had in mind more the level of folks who were involved in firing those attorneys. Think an assistant to Gonzales, or even to Ashcroft (who was held over after the change.) I just can't see a DA having enough pull to be believable, especially if her Rolodex really includes as many top politicos as is being hinted.
   And conspiracy theory? Not really, just an attempt to turn an action around and see if it makes more sense from a different perspective, a different angle. The first thing that occurred to me was to think of emotion (revenge), and ponder why, especially when the chances for a plea bargain sound remote, she would go through all the drama and strife. "Entitlement" was the first thing that sprung to mind, the concept that "they owe me". (Having seen several co-workers get caught for stealing, that is a reason folks start breaking the rules, though there are certainly others.) A sense of betrayal can certainly cause irrational reactions, eh?
    Heck, maybe it's just greed, and she's thinking of the huge book deals down the road. Getting rich just because is also a Beltway tradition, and maybe I just picked the wrong one . . .

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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pO157.

Sun May 06, 2007 at 05:24:19 PM EST

none

Also, one of her more powerful clients might resort to violence to shut her up.  Perhaps her real play is to solicit bids from her johns to excise their names from the list before she publishes it?  Or maybe she is enough of a egomaniac to believe that after years of service to DC elite, she deserves the same respect accorded her clients.

You bring up an interesting point. What exactly DOES she gain via this? At the very least you'd have to hope that she has the goods on somebody higher up than a mid-level charity liason type administrator.

Anyway, I was under the impression that she had already... shot her wad... so to speak in that she turned over all her phone records to ABC. So perhaps by this point she has resigned herself to some hard time in a PMITA prison? Or perhaps she will try to buy her way into one of those swanky jails in LA?

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Re: Massaging the facts, but to a happy ending?

thefadd.

Mon May 07, 2007 at 12:52:29 PM EST

none

Or perhaps she will try to buy her way into one of those swanky jails in LA?

The authorities have frozen all of her assets on the grounds that they were earned illicitly. That's why she has a public defender and is bitching about wanting a different lawyer.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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nmiguy.

Tue May 08, 2007 at 01:07:19 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

How can they prove that all her assets were gained illegally?  I mean, she's innocent until proven guilty.  And even if she's proven guilty, how can they discern which of her assets came from her illicit activity and which were obtained legally?  

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thefadd.

Tue May 08, 2007 at 02:15:27 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

Fucked up isn't it?

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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witch hunt

nmiguy.

Tue May 08, 2007 at 02:37:01 PM EST

none

The system is trying to take advantage of this poor woman.  she did nothing wrong.  She provided much needed massages for people in high stress professions.  And now they gonna scapegoat her and give her a PUBLIC defense attorney and cap her dough?  This is a witch hunt to embarrass a few politicians.  

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Re: witch hunt

thefadd.

Tue May 08, 2007 at 02:52:01 PM EST

none

I remember a story a couple years ago of a dominatrix in Philly who got busted. She'd been around a long time and was pretty well established. They must pay their taxes or there'd be IRS suits on them and it's just plain obvious that the cops can't have just figured out they exist. So it makes me wonder what the full story is on who what why and how law enforcement decides to take these people down at a given moment.

Also in Philly I believe there was just a story in the paper where the cops shut down a bunch of fortune tellers for engaging in fraudulent business practices. Then Licenses & Inspections chimed in and was like, "Uh, dudes, we got no legal basis to do that," so they let them all open back up. And those places have been around forever.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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