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Baby Hatches: Recycling the Children in Real-Time

Lou.

Posted to Etcetera on Wed May 16, 2007 at 12:56:11 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Even the most jaded "think of the children" snarks among us will have to admit that baby abandonment is a ghastly and horrible thing...for both the mother and the baby.  Is there another way?

The picture is heartrending...a dark night, a desperate mother, and the fading cries of a newborn in the darkness.  45 states now have safe-haven laws that protect women who abandon their babies.  Despite that these laws are hardly trumpeted, there remains the fact that even with these laws, the baby is often left in less than safe places...sometimes to die.

Enter a new spin on an old idea.  In medieval times, many churches had "foundling wheels" where a woman could place the baby on a revolving door-like device, leaving the baby in safe hands.  Today, baby hatches provide the same service but this time the baby is protected in an incubator equipped with sensors that alert caregivers.  The idea is catching on in Japan and Europe, but still remains absent in the United States.

This seemingly perfect and certainly humane system is not without its critics, however.  The detractors condemn baby hatches on moral and religious grounds, and father's rights concerns.  

In light of tightening anti-abortion rules in the U.S. will we see more "baby hatches"?

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by Lou, babies, socialism (all tags)

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The insanity of balanced perspective and bias

wetkarma.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 06:07:11 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant, brilliant)

Take any particular topic/story and there are bound to be critics. Homes for puppies? We're spending too litle money on humans. Free lottery tickets for voting? We're encouraging the vice of gambling.

Nevertheless it seems that the moral and religious objections listed by the people/groups against this idea are reaching. That said, I'm particularly intrigued by the whole slant that its the mother who is expected to be abandoning the baby - I guess cultural attitudes that men don't have any rights when it comes to kids is firmly ingrained across cultures.

Devil's Advocate question: If a Dad takes his newborn kid to a hatch against the will of the mother, does he get charged with kidnapping?

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: The insanity of balanced perspective and bias

skeptic.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 09:43:49 AM EST

4.00

In most cases in which babies are abandoned or given away, the mother is unwed and the father may not even know that he has a baby, and typically doesn't care even if he does know.  If he did care, he would probably have married the baby's mother, or at least would be living with the mother and would be sufficiently supportive that the mother would not find it necessary to get rid of her baby.  It is precisely the frequently dire problems associated with being a single parent, that drive women to abandon or give up their babies.  However, if a woman is actually married and then decides that she doesn't want her baby, the father would have a legal and moral right to keep the baby even if the mother doesn't want it.  When fathers accept the responsibilities of fatherhood, they then also gain the rights of fatherhood.  In the case of mothers, when they give birth they automatically have a baby on their hands, whether they wanted one or not.  That's the difference.

Personally I think that there is a better solution to unwanted babies than to make it easier for their mothers to secretly abandon them.  Secrecy is not really socially beneficial.  The secret disposal of a baby raises questions.  What happened to the baby?  Was it murdered, kidnapped, lost?  Do we need a missing persons alert?  Was the baby left at a safe collection site, or merely dumped in a garbage can?

A mother wishing to unburden herself of an unwanted baby should give up that baby openly rather than secretly, by simply taking it to an adoption center and turning it over, or by simply leaving it at the hospital after giving birth.  Maternity wards should offer that option.  Why even take the baby home if you don't want it?  (Although, of course, not everybody gives birth in a hospital, so this route is not available to everybody.)  

Strangely enough, there are large numbers of childless couples who eagerly want to adopt babies, and in many cases spend large amounts of money to acquire babies illegally.  If we make it easier for mothers to hand over unwanted babies and also easier for people to adopt those babies, everybody benefits.  Of course, some adoptive parents do a bad job, but then, some biological parents do a bad job.  That is the risk of parenthood.  As a society we can continue to be vigilant so that if there are abuses they can be corrected.  Nonetheless, we should give people the chance to adopt children, and presume them to be innocent of bad parenting unless proved guilty.    

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Cultural Attitudes

uncarved block.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 01:36:19 PM EST

none

   I don't know that it's so much that women have all the rights- though the courts often rule that way in custody cases- but that there's a long cultural acceptance for men leaving their families, one that's gone on for centuries. For a lighter example, when Bruce Springsteen wrote in "Hungry Heart":

    Got a wife and kids in Baltimore, Jack,
    I went out for a ride and I never came back

if anyone listening even thought of the lyric, the first reaction wouldn't be, "wow, what a monster", which it might well be if a woman had written that. For a more serious example, think of the Promise Keepers, who made a point of applying public pressure to themselves to stick around and support their families (in part; I know there's more to the group than that); the unspoken assumption is that these men weren't really getting pressure from anywhere else in their lives to do so (except their wives, of course.) Fathers sticking around and the mothers leaving has, until recently, been the exception that proved the rule.
    As for your Devil's advocate question, it would probably end up being neutral on the books and biased when it came to enforcement, in the same way that VW vans get pulled over more than other cars. The "safe haven" laws look pretty gender neutral, at least according to the Wiki, but with a 72-hour window, the chances are pretty good that the mother and child would be in the hospital for at least a third of that time, seriously crimping the opportunity for the father. Getting the local police to go after a mother who had given up a child over the father's wishes could happen, but I could see it being less likely if there was an election to win or lose later on.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Cultural Attitudes

thefadd.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 01:43:57 PM EST

none

I fucking hate Bruce Springsteen for espousing exactly those types of morals in all his putrid, worthless music.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Hatches? We don't need no steenking Hatches!

nmiguy.

Thu May 17, 2007 at 11:58:34 AM EST

4.00 (astute)

No serious;y folks, much ado, but overall not a bad idea.  I mean, IDEALLY every mother and father would want to keep their baby and be able to care for and raise their baby.  But in REALITY it is much different.  We hear shocking stories of babies that are aborted, that are born and dropped off in toilet stalls in dumpsters etc.  In REALITY there are women who are unable to care for and raise their baby, who don't want their baby, or who are going through some major trauma.  Having a baby drop at a hospital or fire station or something like that, anonymously, can save some lives.  Just by wishing for an ideal world will not make it happen.  We have to deal with reality.  Does this ENCOURAGE mothers and fathers to abandon their kids?  Maybe.  But they might do so without the hatches to murderous effect.  I'd rather err on the side of caution.  

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Re: Hatches? We don't need no steenking Hatches!

humorlesscretin.

Fri May 18, 2007 at 08:21:23 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

Does this ENCOURAGE mothers and fathers to abandon their kids?  Maybe.

I'll go half a step further (and likely off the ledge).  Any would-be parents that really want to drop off their baby in a nice safe baby hatch probably should.

Humorless. Cretinous. What'd you expect?

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Akashi Kaikyo Bridge

Steve Urkel.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 01:08:47 AM EST

3.00 (funny)

They need to make things like this for drunk people to climb into.

Seriously though, this is yet another example of how the Japanese do us one better by actually putting some thought into things. Kind of like the Akashi Kaikyo Bridge.

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Good Idea

thefadd.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 01:04:08 PM EST

3.00 (funny)

But it looks like a microwave oven.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: Good Idea

humorlesscretin.

Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:10:27 AM EST

5.00 (funny, funny)

That's because it is a microwave oven.  Hospital baby food... for babies, from babies.

[It's official, I'm going to Hell for that joke.]

Humorless. Cretinous. What'd you expect?

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Re: Baby Hatches: Recycling the Children in Real-T

zyxwvutsr.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 09:32:39 AM EST

none

Yeah z...ugly chicks are a riot.  How could I have missed that?
I wasn't talking about the ugly photographer in the background. I meant the man wearing a dress and string of pearls, pretending to be a woman.

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tomato tomahto

Lou.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 04:09:45 PM EST

none

I wasn't talking about the ugly photographer in the background. I meant the man wearing a dress and string of pearls, pretending to be a woman.

I see an ugly woman...you see a guy in a dress.  To each his own...you'll get no judgment from me.

I can't argue with your logic...but I can recommend a good therapist

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Re: tomato tomahto

zyxwvutsr.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 05:41:09 PM EST

none

I see an ugly woman...you see a guy in a dress
The caption clearly says "actor." If you see a woman, then he's quite a good actor, I'd say.

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Re: tomato tomahto

thefadd.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 06:50:17 PM EST

none

If that's a woman, the only thing more depressing is hearing that your kindergarten teacher retired.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: tomato tomahto

Lou.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 07:43:04 PM EST

none

It seems that the word actor is used for either men or women.

Checkmate

I can't argue with your logic...but I can recommend a good therapist

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Re: tomato tomahto

zyxwvutsr.

Thu May 17, 2007 at 08:42:43 AM EST

none

It seems that the word actor is used for either men or women
Not on rferl.org. They use the standard dictionary definition, as explained on Wikipedia,
The word 'actor' refers to a male who acts, whilst 'actress' refers to females who act. There has been some debate amongst feminists in the United States regarding possible sexist connotations with regards to the word 'actress'. This view, however, has been largely dismissed by literary experts. This is due to the fact that the words are of Latin origin, where the suffixes -or and -ess are used, regardless of occupation, to describe the sex of the person. To avoid this controversy, an actor may be called a "player", although this term was more common in the early days of the Production Code and is now usually deemed as archaic

Checkmate
Huh?

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Re: tomato tomahto

thefadd.

Thu May 17, 2007 at 01:24:57 PM EST

none

We use the term "player" in our contracts, although the agreements are called "Agreement for Test with Pilot and Series Options -- SAG Actors," "Actors" being the plural used to refer to a group of male and female "players." That pic is still of a dude, tho.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Anonymously throwing out a child is unacceptable.

pO157.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 01:52:19 PM EST

none

On the first day of its operation in Japan a father used it to drop off his 3 year old pre-schooler son. "Anonymously throwing out a child is unacceptable," according to the Prime Minister.

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This Man Has Really Hit On Something

thefadd.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 06:59:42 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

They need to build one big enough for teenagers. That'll keep 'em in check. Stop playing warcraft or it's off to the baby drop!

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: This Man Has Really Hit On Something

dzetetes.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 09:27:44 PM EST

none

Warcraft is the baby drop.  Give a kid a game card and a couple boxes of ramen, and you'll never hear from him again.

In regione caecorum, rex est luscus.

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Re: This Man Has Really Hit On Something

Lou.

Wed May 16, 2007 at 10:10:30 PM EST

none

don't forget to install a toilet in his/her room...right in front of the screen.

I can't argue with your logic...but I can recommend a good therapist

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Re: This Man Has Really Hit On Something

permazorch.

Fri May 18, 2007 at 04:15:16 AM EST

none

"You're not too big that I can't squeeze you into that hatch!"

----- I, for one, renounce our insect overlords!

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