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Another evolution controversy

Steve Urkel.

Posted to SciTech on Sun May 20, 2007 at 09:11:51 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Linked essay includes many neat pictures

At one time UFO's were simpler. In the 19th century 'Airship' flap UFO's made of wood were sighted. Later during the UFO heydey of the '50's they had tripod landing gear. They emitted rocket-type exhaust. They would show up on radar. Abductees reported the interiors of UFO's featured dials, analog gauges and controls. They would crash. But over time UFO technology improved. UFO's are stealthy now, they appear to be powerd by anti-gravity. Etc. To borrow a term from biology, UFO's have evolved (though sometimes, and perhaps lately, devolved).

What is going on? There are two main theories:

  1. UFO's are not physically real, so what people percieved is colored by their own thoughts, or else the product of mental manipulaion by the entities behind whatever this phenomomen is (we can't handle (or comprehend with our small brains?) the truth, so they make it look like something we can relate to.

  2. UFO's are the handiwork of cryptoterrestrials, who are different beings than us, but only slightly ahead of us technologically.

What's your theory? Have you ever seen a UFO or been abducted?

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by Steve Urkel, UFO, alien (all tags)

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Re: Another evolution controversy

skeptic.

Tue May 22, 2007 at 08:57:54 AM EST

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Any hypothetical non-human species could accomplish more through direct and open contact with us, than they could by stealthy and secret abductions or other sneaky activity designed to avoid a free flow of information, commerce, or other interactions.  Imagine that for some reason the European explorers of the western hemisphere had decided that they just wanted to spy on the native Americans without ever letting them obtain any definite confirmation that such things as Europeans actually existed.  That might have worked out better for the native Americans (although one could argue that despite all the abuses and tragedy of the European conquest of North America, today's native American population is better off having the advantages of modern civilization rather than living in a neolithic culture), but it would hardly have been as rewarding for the Europeans, and there is no apparent motive for doing it that way.

One could also argue that other species could have entirely non-human and perhaps even incomprehensible motivations, which cannot be entirely ruled out.  However, since they presumably do live in the same universe as we do, we can expect some degree of parallel evolution.  Any successful strategies for survival are likely to produce recognizable and comprehensible ways of thinking.  So I don't think that intelligent non-humans would have entirely novel modes of thought.  They probably would not think exactly the way we do (after all, even among the various human cultures, people from different backgrounds think differently) but they wouldn't be likely to think entirely differently, either.  So this whole theory about secretive UFOs  doesn't make sense.  If they were here, they would speak to us openly, they would sign treaties and conduct business, they would be available to be interviewed on CNN, and so forth, or so I expect.  That is simply the most productive strategy.

Also bear in mind, "UFO" simply means Unidentified Flying Object, it does not mean alien spacecraft.  A UFO could in theory be an alien spacecraft, but it could be lots of other things as well.  Any object which either is, or appears to be flying, and which you for any reason are not able to identify, is by definition a UFO.  The mere fact that we human observers are fallible and cannot always identify everything we see, guarantees that there will be UFO sightings.  So when I am asked if I believe in UFOs, the answer has to be yes, I do.  There are indeed some flying objects that some people have failed to identify.  But are they alien spacecraft (or even more bizarrely, pixies and leprechauns)?  I don't think so.

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Re: Another evolution controversy

thefadd.

Fri May 25, 2007 at 02:58:27 PM EST

none

Unless they just wanted to farm us for our noses, in which case they'd simply open plastic surgery chains.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: Another evolution controversy

skeptic.

Sat May 26, 2007 at 08:18:49 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

I hadn't thought of that, but now that you mention it, my plastic surgeon does have an oddly gray skin color.

Of course, if extraterrestrials are harvesting human noses in plastic surgery clinics, then it is still true that the reports of UFO abductions must be (at best) greatly exaggerated.  There is no need to abduct people if they are already coming to your clinics on their own (and paying you!).

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Re: Another evolution controversy

thefadd.

Sat May 26, 2007 at 06:19:32 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

I don't know why I confused that. Maybe the pantheses confused me when I was googling specific names of examples. Substitute It's Only Rock 'n' Roll (But I Like It) or (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: Another evolution controversy

Admit The Woods.

Sun May 20, 2007 at 01:54:26 PM EST

none

Two alternative theories:

A. All those little folk, what we alternately call leprechauns, pixies, fairies, etc., have evolved just as we have. Instead of hanging around large dodgy mushrooms smoking interesting foliage, they developed technology just like we did. Only they're better at it because they also have magic.

B. Humans continue to evolve. And because of our increasingly automated sedentary lives, our limbs atrophy while our heads remain large to accommodate our increasing brain capacity. Meanwhile, in order to protect our eyes from increasing UV levels in our damaged atmosphere, we all wear dark full-eye contact lenses. All the races disappear due to miscegenation, producing universal grey skin. Or perhaps that's just the lack of sunshine due to our runaway greenhouse effect. Whatev. Anyway, one day, we perfect time travel, but it's dangerous, so just a few brave committed souls try to return to the time (the last fifty years or so, which coincides with Roswell) when we caused the most damage to our planet, in order to warn ourselves. But the great tragedy is no one believes it's real. In fact, they don't even know the visitors are human. Giant bummer.

Well?

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Re: Another evolution controversy

Steve Urkel.

Sun May 20, 2007 at 02:08:23 PM EST

none

"All those little folk, what we alternately call leprechauns, pixies, fairies, etc"

There have been numerous reported encounters with "extraterrestrials" which strongly resemble traditional sightings of leprechauns, pixies, fairies, and dwarves. The majority of modern UFOlogists propagate the bogus notion that everyone encounters the "grey aliens", and so they find these sightings embarassing and avoid discussing them.

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Re: Another evolution controversy

tomc.

Sun May 20, 2007 at 03:18:30 PM EST

none

All those little folk, what we alternately call leprechauns, pixies, fairies, etc., have evolved just as we have.

Are you saying that leprechauns, pixies and fairies are no longer around?

The perennial publication of manuals to aid in the proper identification of these creatures would suggest otherwise.

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Re: Another evolution controversy

Some Guy.

Mon May 21, 2007 at 12:18:55 AM EST

none

Well, sure, that's one possibility is that they are post-human visitors from the future warning us to stop fucking up our environment.   The explanation that I find most convincing is sleep paralysis .  And if this is the case, it logically follows that we should continue to fuck up our environment.  QED.

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Re: Another evolution controversy

Admit The Woods.

Tue May 22, 2007 at 04:36:37 PM EST

none

Jeez, I really hope nobody thinks I actually believed my theories? That would be embarrassing.

In reality, and on a more serious note, there are numerous slightly more tenable theories surrounding the alien abduction phenomenon, some that posit childhood trauma as being at the root of the presenting symptoms, others that equate modern experiences at the hands (or anal probes) of alien beings with historical accounts of demons, etc. Here's a Carl Sagan quote along those lines:

Is it possible that people in all times and places occasionally experience vivid, realistic hallucinations, often with sexual content--with the details filled in by the prevailing cultural idioms, sucked out of the Zeitgeist. When everyone knows that gods regularly come down to Earth, we hallucinate gods; when everyone knows about demons, it's incubi and succubi; when fairies are widely believed, we see fairies; when the old myths fade and we begin thinking that alien beings are plausible, then that's where our hypnagogic imagery tends.

In an area teeming with the irrational, this nevertheless sounds almost reasonable.

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Re: Another evolution controversy

shane.

Thu May 24, 2007 at 12:34:45 AM EST

none

(although one could argue that despite all the abuses and tragedy of the European conquest of North America, today's native American population is better off having the advantages of modern civilization rather than living in a neolithic culture)

Perhaps it would be easier to argue that the world is flat?  

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Answer is obvious:

3fingerspointback.

Tue May 22, 2007 at 02:50:14 AM EST

none

3.  There's no need to use all that expensive Stealth technology when the creatures you're studying have no radar to detect it.  That would be like bringing in a duck blind to study E. Coli.  As for the changes in interior technology, the humans only saw the parts of the craft they were permitted to see.  The controls in those chambers matched the technology they knew, so that they couldn't replicate any of the good stuff when they were returned to the ground.

I'm afraid I've never seen a UFO, although I've been tempted to make one with the old candle/stick/dry cleaning bag trick.  And even though I answered energy ball, I would have liked to see those big triangles over Phoenix.

(is 3fingerspointback)

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