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No More Bookstores, No More Books, No More Librarian's Dirty Looks?

pO157.

Posted to Etcetera on Tue May 29, 2007 at 08:41:19 PM EST (promoted by 1fastdog). RSS.

Tom Wayne's recent immolation of the merchandise at his bookstore in Kansas City, occurred to call attention to the fact that Wayne thinks people aren't reading enough books these days.

The owner of the Prospero Bookstore in Missouri, lit stacks of titles which burned for about 50 minutes until the fire department showed up and doused the flames. He laments the fact that when he wants to thin out his collection of tens of thousands of titles by simply donating them to charity or the library they refuse to take them, citing lack of interest and space. He threatens to keep doing this on a regular basis until all of the books he owns have been destroyed, or society changes in general --- whichever comes first.

Anyway, this is a trend that many have noticed over the past several decades. Reading books for pleasure (parody) or just in general is down. Way down. Some blame the internet. Others blame everything else. Interestingly, the book most recommended by the groups trying to reverse this trend is Fahrenheit 451, the irony of which is probably not lost to Tom Wayne.

Was this an overly dramatic way to demonstrate a simple point? Perhaps. But he does have some supporters in the community, including bonfire observer Mike Bechtel who stated: "I think given the fact it is a protest of people not reading books, it's the best way to do it. (Tom Wayne has) made the point that not reading a book is as good as burning it."

Tags: written by pO157, edited by 1fastdog, Tom Wayne, Missouri, Books, Library, Literacy, NEA, National Endowment for the Arts, Fahrenheit 451, Pleasure, Fiction, Prospero (all tags)

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Zardoz

Steve Urkel.

Tue May 29, 2007 at 10:10:38 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

Starting in the caveman days, only a few were literate, and books were hard to come by. This went on for years, maybe longer. Then the printing press was developed. The availbility of printed material and literacy increased. Time elapsed. And then other entertainments came along. First the wireless, then the moving pictures, then that great destroyer TV. People who were reading because they had no other choice were able to find other diversions. The peak of the printed word is in the past. (John Cheever figured if he could live decently if he  sold three short stories a year. Try doing that now.) Video didn't just kill the radio star.

While the dumb never read, and it's not supriseing those in the middle would follow their middlebrow inclinations and abandon books, what's interesting to me is how umimportant literature is to the highly educated these days. It's not just that they don't read literature, they don't care that they don't read it. Those that do read know that there was a time in the past when people were embarassed about lacking culture. Not any more.

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Re: Zardoz

thefadd.

Tue May 29, 2007 at 10:24:40 PM EST

none

But literature today is also simply awful. As the audience has slipped away, the ivory tower elites have clutched more and more tightly to their elitist outlooks. People who read books are unbearably snooty about it.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: Zardoz

WMK.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:01:13 AM EST

5.00 (interesting, astute)

TRUE - some people are insufferably awful snobs who leap at any chance to reinforce the default assumption about ivory tower elitists (they SUCK and their opinions are irrelevant).  They are the anti-intellectuals best friends when it comes to promoting willful ignorance and mental laziness as a virtue because the horrified handflapping  and obvious distaste the elites have for all things crass, stupid, and vulgar (things which the hoi-polloi LOVE) confirms that they generally unpleasant and out of touch with 'reality' as the regular schmoes live it.  There seems to be an inexhaustible supply of fancy talking wussie-nerds willing to go on TV and provoke every angry Neanderthal who tuned in to watch the paragons of their kind (O'reilly, Hannity, Matthews)  
make them feel smart and justified for reacting to everything in basically the same way - unreasoning hatred.

Having someone spew sneering condemnation at your preferred entertainments, religious beliefs, and by extension you personally will NOT provoke a reaction of 'oh my goodness you are so right!, NASCAR and Wrestling are BAD and I am a completely stupid idiot who wallows in filth - BLESS YOU helpful Citizen for pointing that out to me, now I can change my ways!'.   It will provoke anyone who feels targeted by elitist derision to turn away and seek affirmation   from people who claim to understand and sympathize with them - Oprah, Dr Phil, Bill Orielly, Monster Truck Event promoters.

I don't know why there aren't more people able to convey with honest enthusiasm that reading books is a rewarding and enjoyable activity.  That 'great' books can express important ideas in interesting ways that ultimately can change the way a reader sees the world.  That reading and thinking is often its own reward and an expanded appreciation of reality leads to a greater range of things to enjoy in life - an enhanced ability to look into the world and see what is there.

I was lucky, my Dad asked his librarian friend to put together a reading list for me when I was  very young.  It was a great list full of things a little boy would enjoy, each week a stack of books with lots of golden age sci-fi adventure stuff with plenty of aliens, monsters, robots, space ships and that 40s-50s 'G' rated 'hero gets the girl' (where 'get' is extremely abstract).  It also was a vehicle for commentary about colonialism, racism, religion, militarism, war, consciousness, social justice, and the need for reason/science to be coupled with ethics/compassion.  That might have been a low brow route to the habit of reading but it established the habit and that's all that mattered IMO.  It led to being able to appreciate the 'classics' and to my own seeking out of new material.  Having someone tell me 'that stuff is all trash' merely made me mentally shut that person's 'volume' off and dislike them - I didn't care what badge of authority the world had given them.  

Elite literature folk need to understand the difference between being smart and being charming.  It's the difference between book assignments being as welcome as having castor oil force fed to kids 'for their own good' and selecting assignments that get kids to like reading.  It may seem hopeless to try and influence the children of the American Idol and primetime TV watching crowd to love reading, but someone should try that instead of sneering at them.

Trivia Q: what book was the Sean Connery char. reading in Zardoz?

"...when theft and high crime becomes obscenely obvious to even the blindest beer sucking idiot, it is always the Republicans who are in office." -- Joe Bageant

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Re: Zardoz

zyxwvutsr.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:08:57 AM EST

none

I don't know why there aren't more people able to convey with honest enthusiasm that reading books is a rewarding and enjoyable activity
The obvious answer is that, for a great many people, reading books is not a rewarding and enjoyable activity.

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Re: Zardoz

pO157.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:29:45 AM EST

none

The obvious answer is that, for a great many people, reading books is not a rewarding and enjoyable activity.

I am not sure the problem is that there is an increase in the number of people who do not read or if the problem is simply there is something/somebody to blame for all of this. When I was growing up, I read like a coked-up-librarian on speed. A lot. Of course, other peers of mine seldom read for fun and enjoyment. It was like that the generation before mine, and the generation before that, and the one before that. There have always been "cultured" types who will go through a ton of books and those who eschew it. It has been and always will be that way.

The only difference now is that you got your internets, your HDTV, your nintendo and your jazz music to blame for distracting people away from reading for fun. And as always, blame and moral outrage is so much fun.

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Re: Zardoz

ms sue.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 09:24:36 AM EST

none

But literature today is also simply awful.

Even considering the subjectivity of this subject, yours is an outrageously incorrect statement.

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Re: Zardoz

Admit The Woods.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:31:57 PM EST

none

Agreed. There are as many if not more great literary works being written today as at any other time in history. That they're not being read in the kind of numbers they used to be is more debatable, but quality-wise (given the subjectivity you rightly emphasise, Sue) there is some astoundingly good stuff out there.

(Oh, and when I say "literary" I'm not necessarily excluding so-called genre fiction either.)

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Re: Zardoz

thefadd.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 08:02:25 PM EST

none

Name one modern well-known, industry-respected author whose writing isn't insufferably overbearing or who doesn't fall into the Crichton/Rice/King crap camp.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: Zardoz

zyxwvutsr.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 08:06:20 PM EST

none

Richard Russo.

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Re: Zardoz

keta.

Thu May 31, 2007 at 12:37:56 PM EST

none

Name one modern well-known, industry-respected author whose writing isn't insufferably overbearing or who doesn't fall into the Crichton/Rice/King crap camp.

Peter Carey
Cormac McCarthy
Zadie Smith
Martin Amis
Philip Roth
Alice Munro
Patrick McCabe
George MacDonald Fraser
Julian Barnes

and on and on and on...

Also, isn't the last line in your post kind of, uh, unbearably snooty?

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Re: Zardoz

Thalia.

Thu May 31, 2007 at 03:25:38 PM EST

none

But how many of these authors would be considered "literature" for the originally linked story?  Roth maybe, although I consider most of his work to be uninteresting, but certainly not Fraser or Smith.  "Literature" seems to be something different from "fiction with interesting plots and characters"  which most readers prefer.

Thalia

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Re: Zardoz

keta.

Thu May 31, 2007 at 04:23:54 PM EST

none

All of them, to my mind.

"Literature" seems to be something different from "fiction with interesting plots and characters"  which most readers prefer.

Literature is simply MORE THAN "fiction with interesting plots and characters."  It's writing that presents, in both structure and deeply evocative language, different layers of meaning.  Think Pale Fire vs. The Da Vinci Code.

And anyone who doesn't consider the Flashman series to be literature is a philistine.

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Re: Zardoz

thefadd.

Thu May 31, 2007 at 05:17:20 PM EST

none

The Flashman series of books is written by George Macdonald Fraser, and details the life of fictional Victorian soldier, Sir Harry Flashman.

I honestly can't think of anything more insufferably sleep inducing. please tell me why it doesn't suck. I don't think I can stand knowing such a thing exists unless it somehow manages not to be exactly what 11 books in 16 years sounds like.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Do a little more googling

keta.

Thu May 31, 2007 at 05:37:44 PM EST

4.00 (funny)

Extremely funny, insanely well-researched, completely politically incorrect  stories about Victorian-era British (and some American) military adventures as told by the memoirist, a self-confessed poltroon who'd rather just roger any and all women he can get his hands on, written using words and syntax that wonderfully evoke the era of the tales.

Far too dull for you, I'm sure.  (smiley emoticon here.)
 

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Re: Zardoz

thefadd.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 08:00:04 PM EST

none

It would have been clever of you to say, "Considering the subjectivity of this subject, yours is an outrageously incorrect statement."

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: Zardoz

keta.

Thu May 31, 2007 at 12:45:53 PM EST

none

Those that do read know that there was a time in the past when people were embarassed about lacking culture.

"Culture", at least here in North America, is now defined by whether or not you can name the current young drug-addicted alcoholic minimum-to-no-talent mildly attractive bimbo who likes to accidentally expose her vagina to the paparazzi.  You know, like what's-her-name.  (Geez, I'm blushing that I can't remember.)

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From The Front Lines

uncarved block.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 02:52:15 PM EST

4.66 (informative, informative, informative)

   As mentioned before, I work at a used book store myself (check out the Tucson East link for pix), so I've seen one model that works up close and personal. This doesn't mean it's the only way to run a book store, or that everything I've learned would apply elsewhere, so take any absolutist sounding statements with a little grain of salt.

   Are there plenty of readers in the world? Hell yes. On a slow day, the trade counter will see about 2-3,000 books, and over 5K on the weekends. We take about a thousand to 1,500 books a day, and sell about 1,200 books a day (450 nonfiction units, 550 fiction, and about 200 kids books), so the balance of incoming vs outgoing merchandise is about even, at least in theory. (97% of the stock comes from trading, with a few remainders filling out the corners.) Clearly, this is not your corner book store, with the owner sitting there with a couple cats for company. I don't know how those kinds of places pay their rent, much less make a profit. Anybody who has worked for a store like that chime in, because it's a real mystery to me.
   Do people read what's "good for them"? Hell no. Not only do I get to see what people buy, but also what they have bought: trashy fiction, books about the paranormal and UFOs, sex tips, alternative medicine and healing, scads and scads of Christian living books of dubious worth, and self help fads going back for decades. When I read things like "reading is down 5%", I can't say this bothers me nearly as much as it would have before. Snooty? Elitist? I don't think so, but YMMV. All I know is that after seeing the contents of bookshelves for five years, I am no longer enamored with the idea that reading is a good in and of itself.
    That said, I still can't get behind publicity stunts like this. The publishing industry isn't acting like a business on its way out-- on the contrary, the sheer volume of new books can be overwhelming. Pick up a catalog or three, and count the new releases in History and Biography alone. If authors and their fans are having trouble getting attention, it's not because of a lack of backing from publishers, but rather a very large surplus, staggering even.They may not be titles and authors of whom Tom Wayne approves, but that doesn't mean there's a lack of folks buying books.
   Can used book stores survive in the age of "big box" new book stores and the Internet? Sure. Used stores can act as supplements to new stores, instead of competition: not every past title by an author is always in print (the old Dana Fuller Ross books are an excellent example), and a customer may not be willing to lay down full price for it anyway. (We have several customers who have lists, some very long, of back titles from authors old and new, from Robert E Howard to Jill Churchill.) British mysteries are especially popular, because many aren't printed in the US, and shipping is prohibitive. As to the Net, shipping is a key factor; our pocketbooks are about 50 cents to a dollar over what shipping would cost, even if the book cost a penny-- yet we're right there, and condition isn't a crapshoot like it can be with Amazon. And you can sit and read the first chapter for free, if you like . . .
   The problem with this is that you have to reserve a lot of judgment about what people read. It took a long time before I could reconcile with the popularity of the cat mystery, and the cozy mystery in general. Not easy for someone teethed on Raymond Chandler, but now I gladly lead folks to their books with crime solving nuns, and can name more Nora Roberts titles from memory than is probably healthy. "Michael Savage? Right this way . . ."
   Sorry, this is running long, but knowing how many of you probably shop at used bookstores, I thought a glimpse from the other side of the register might be interesting. It's certainly very entertaining work, and there's always a dozen new titles to try and learn every month, so there's a mental challenge as well. Now if only we could get the crackheads to stop selling us crap from dumpsters, it would be a righteous gig :)

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: From The Front Lines

workerant.

Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 04:43:29 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

No kidding - I lived in Tucson from 1989-1995 and did a lot of business at Bookman's. There's a similar bookstore in my nearest city that is also thriving.

My mother-in-law left two Nora Roberts novels at my house on her last visit. Being a compulsive (and omnivorous) reader, I picked one up and started reading. The quality of the writing has made me laugh several times; it's truly terrible. But I think that reading even the worst fiction requires something of the reader that TV doesn't require of its viewers... some level of participation and invention. I'm saving the other Roberts book for the next day I'm sick in bed (I don't have a TV, so pulp novels are how I pass the time when I'm bugged.)

I don't buy nearly as many books as I used to. I moved from Atlanta to the mountains of East Tennessee, and one of the many perks is that the local library isn't filled with homeless people. I borrow the books I can, and only buy the oddball titles that my library doesn't have.

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Re: From The Cheap Seats

Steve Urkel.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 07:34:14 PM EST

3.00 (funny)

"books about the paranormal and UFOs, sex tips"

I'm writing a book of tips for having sex with occupants of UFO's.

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Don't Know If This Counts

uncarved block.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:48:53 PM EST

5.00

   But I think it's already being done on a sizable scale. Somehow I suspect that if those documentaries showed that UFOs carried those guys instead of "little gray men", SETI would be one of the best funded government programs ever.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Don't Know If This Counts

Steve Urkel.

Thu May 31, 2007 at 01:09:52 AM EST

4.00 (funny)

Wow. Thanks for reminding us some readers would be better off if they were watching TV instead.

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Re: Don't Know If This Counts

WMK.

Thu May 31, 2007 at 09:15:37 AM EST

4.00 (funny)

OMG!

Its like a publishing company devoted to satisfying the romance/porno lit needs of female star trek nerds....how big a market would anyone expect that to be?

"...when theft and high crime becomes obscenely obvious to even the blindest beer sucking idiot, it is always the Republicans who are in office." -- Joe Bageant

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Tip Of The Iceberg

uncarved block.

Thu May 31, 2007 at 07:23:35 PM EST

none

   Did you go to just that one link, or check out the whole thing? That was just the paranormal subsection-- Ellora's Cave caters to many other . . markets as well, besides being THE company of choice for crappy computer generated cover art. (Seriously, those covers are actually improved by being condensed. Trust me.)
    And boy are do they have fans. We'll get batches of ten or twenty at a time, and I think they get bought in much the same way*; at half cover price ($5.50 to $7 our price), that's as close as you can get to decent bargain porn. One good score like that can keep a customer coming back for months, even years.

    *Fairly normal buying behavior, really. SF fans will buy five or ten books at a time, and romance and cozy mystery readers will fill small baskets with very similar books. It "felt" odd typing that sentence, but rest assured, it seems perfectly normal when they bring a stack of books to the register.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: No More Bookstores, No More Books, No More Lib

rombuu.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:00:18 AM EST

4.50 (brilliant, informative)

It was great publicity.  Hell.. this guy's place is a couple of miles from where I work.  It's a decent used bookstore, but nothing I'd go out of my way to visit or anything...and I am always looking for books.. I probably go though 50 to 75 a year.

Having said that I go out of my way to not watch the local news or read much of the local newspaper, and I still heard about this on the day it happened.. seeing coverage of it at my local watering hole on Sunday night.  If only his inventory management skills were as good as his marketing.  The Half-Price Books near me doesn't seem to have this problem for some reason (and it's in the brain dead suburbs, not near the urban core where all those culturally literate types live, right?)

Oh, and people who pull publicity stunts and call them "works of art" piss me off.  Call a spade a spade dude... it's OK.  You have a business to run... we understand.

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Re: No More Bookstores, No More Books, No More Lib

zyxwvutsr.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:11:10 AM EST

5.00 (funny, funny)

I am always looking for books.. I probably go though 50 to 75 a year
You must have either a remarkably small or remarkably well insulated house to be able to heat it burning only a few dozen books a year.

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Re: No More Bookstores, No More Books, No More Lib

gerrymander.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 12:35:59 PM EST

none

Maybe they're just really big books, like anthologies from James Clavell or Robert Jordan.

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Re: No More Bookstores, No More Books, No More Lib

zyxwvutsr.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 08:11:09 PM EST

none

Maybe they were printed on coal.

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So Here's Some Questions

uncarved block.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:14:33 PM EST

none

   Have you met the owner? Or at least gotten the vibe he wants for the store? Poking around the website, there certainly seems to have been attitude aplenty before this event ever crossed his mind. I suspect that a lot of potential customers have decided not to come in as a result, or more importantly, decided the place wasn't worth coming back (such as yourself.)
   The guy certainly seems to have been quite demanding when it came to donating books, and not very creative either. Are there no start up schools in the area? Prison literacy programs? Adult education programs? I can't see the folks running programs like that turning down free books-- but I could see them turning down 5,000 books at a whack. (The library taking a pass doesn't surprise me; they get donations all year round, from a couple books to a couple boxes. I could see why they wouldn't want to turn away individual donations because Wayne had taken up a bunch of their storage with one shipment.) If the local charities and thrift stores are anything like those in Tucson, they see plenty o' crap all year round; I can see why they might pass on 20, 30 or more boxes of books given the chance.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: So Here's Some Questions

rombuu.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 03:02:19 PM EST

none

I'm not sure if I met the owners or not... it's been a while since I was in there and didn't see anyone with a sash that said "owner" on it or anything.  Really they do have a good location for their business, its next to KU Med center, so you have college types around, and its next to the ethnic restaurant / coffeehouse / used clothing store / esoterica area of town.  The fact that since they opened they've expanded several times and moved locations across the street, and are working on expanding that one makes me think that business must be pretty good....  I mean, if it were more convenient to go to, I'd go back and there are lots of people who live in that area... its just not handy for people who commute.  They just have more inventory than they can handle for whatever reason.  I'd be shocked no one in KC would take those books too...  

I dunno... I refuse to ever throw away a book even... I mean, once or twice I've bought some piece of crap in an airport bookstore or whatever because I needed something to read on a plane and trashed it when I got home for fear impressionable minds might happen upon it in the future, and even then I feel guilty.  Better to toss it on the bookshelves and then when I'm departed from this world someone else can do my dirty work.

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Thanks

uncarved block.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 06:32:08 PM EST

4.50 (informative, interesting)

   I didn't spend enough time poking around the Prospero's site before, and couldn't get a good sense of the volume. Without a long upcoming comment weighing on my mind, I went back through and found out the size (45K volumes) and scope. On a guess, you met one of the two guys who run the business. Our last inventory put us a little over 400K volumes, with a book staff of ten; if these guys have more than two other people working for them, then yeah, they are doing incredibly well, or else they have a slew of part time help. And boy, does the rest of that site just ooze attitude . . .
   It seems like a long time ago, but really it was only five years, that throwing away a book, much less tearing one in half, would have seemed a terrible thing. No longer. Even with people taking away most of their things*, there are hundreds of books left behind every day-- and not just books. Stacks of CDs, even DVDs, magazines and vinyl by the ton (or at least that's how it feels), monitors and VCRs, even DVD players (!) get dumped on us.~ After a month or two, all those poor abused books (leaving a box of books 6 months in the garage in Arizona-- not a good idea) just turn into crap before your eyes. Mass production done many wonderful things for daily living, but one downside is massive piles of leftover stuff that nobody wants. If Wayne is looking for a culprit, he'd do better to blame overproduction than underconsumption, IMHO.

   *Occasionally with the huffy, "I'd rather give them away than take that offer." Never did understand that line of thought, but then again I'd never sell my books for cash in the first place.
   ~Supply and demand gets taught, often ironically. Sometimes customers will argue, heatedly, about us not taking a TV or CD player, something like that. After a minute or two of repeated, "no, we really don't need that", they'll end up saying, "well, just keep it then. I don't want to carry it home." All you can do is laugh up your sleeve as they walk away :)

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Some kinds of books...

port1080.

Tue May 29, 2007 at 11:07:45 PM EST

none

aren't much better than watching TV, or whatever. Take the venerable Harlequin Romance books. These things are churned out by poorly paid hack authors, cheaply printed, and sold for $5 a pop or more at your local grocery store. Do they have literary merit? Not in the slightest. Is it a tragedy that people aren't reading this sort of book anymore? Probably not.

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I've Got Some Bad News

uncarved block.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:23:01 PM EST

none

   The Harlequin romance is alive and well, at least in my little corner of the world. In fact, the company has branched out into S-F (the Luna imprints), and this after moving into "chick lit" a couple years ago (Red Dress Ink.) This is on top of the Gold Eagle imprint (remember Mack Bolan, the Executioner? That line is still going strong), and Worldwide mysteries-- look for them in the bargain racks of stores near you.
   Don't even get me started on James "six books a year" Patterson . . .

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: I've Got Some Bad News

port1080.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 08:23:16 PM EST

none

The Harlequin romance is alive and well

That's a shame...the used bookstore I went to growing up (great place, but closed years ago) would give you a discount credit for any books you brought in - except for Harlequins. The owner had so many in stock he couldn't afford to store them anywhere, and since they were so cheap to begin with nobody really cared to buy them used. I wonder sometimes if having to deal with all that garbage didn't help drive him out of business.

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Burning books?

3fingerspointback.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:03:49 PM EST

none

Isn't that kind of backwards for a place named "Prospero Bookstore"?

(is 3fingerspointback)

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Re: Burning books?

gerrymander.

Wed May 30, 2007 at 02:12:19 PM EST

none

Yeah, submerging the books would have been more thematically consistent.

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Plastic Has Its Music Exchange

thefadd.

Thu May 31, 2007 at 08:23:55 PM EST

none

...and failed at its "book club" attempt and I know a CD is a lot quicker to listen to than a whole novel is to read but a book exchange might be kinda neat. I mean, I for one, have all sorts of awful old books that I'd feel bad burning but would feel perfectly peachy sending off to someone else. And after we read it, we could give it away to a homeless person or something like that. But it'd be a bitch getting everyone to finish them anywhere near the same time and we probably don't have quite the readership to do it properly unless spam bots read. So, pretty all-round awful idea. Anyone up for it?

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: Plastic Has Its Music Exchange

ms sue.

Thu May 31, 2007 at 10:29:41 PM EST

none

I mean, I for one, have all sorts of awful old books that I'd feel bad burning but would feel perfectly peachy sending off to someone else.

Nah, just go ahead and burn them. After the first few, the rest will go like a dream.

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Re: Plastic Has Its Music Exchange

pO157.

Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 12:28:15 PM EST

none

A capital idea!

BTW, has there been any movement on eliminating the Spam Bot scourge, or increasing advertisement through alternative sources? I haven't seen a Board of Directors diary entry in a while, so I am not sure what is happening on that front.

Tootles.

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Re: Plastic Has Its Music Exchange

thefadd.

Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 02:00:22 PM EST

none

A technical fix was made to head off the spam bots and early returns on the advertisement campaign weren't promising but some adjustments were made and I think returns are still coming in on both points.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: Plastic Has Its Music Exchange

dgraham.

Fri Jun 08, 2007 at 09:03:58 AM EST

none

Could CAPTCHA be employed to help prevent spam-bots?

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Re: Plastic Has Its Music Exchange

3fingerspointback.

Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 03:29:06 AM EST

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We've discussed traditonal methods of CAPTCHA before, the consensus was that it was too offputting to potential new users to implement, and didn't take into account people with bad eyesight.  One work item is to implement a type of CAPTCHA for signup that involves answering a very easy trivia question, e.g. "How many eyes does the average human have?"

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