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Star Wars At 30

thefadd.

Posted to Media on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 08:03:13 PM EST (promoted by 1fastdog). RSS.

Star Wars Celebration IV was recently held in Los Angeles. Hasbro has released a new line of commemorative figures and The History Channel even weighed in with a new documentary on the films and their cultural influences and impact.

With the 30th anniversary of the first Star Wars movie (Episode 4: A New Hope), media galore are discussing. What are your favorite Star Wars memories of years gone by or even today? Is George Lucas's dependence on the framework of Joseph Campbell (among a host of other literary connections) really worth all the scholarly hoopla?

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I'm done with Star Wars.

3fingerspointback.

Fri Jun 08, 2007 at 02:16:38 AM EST

5.00 (interesting, astute)

It was great while it lasted, and wow, did it last.  Waiting with my father for Mom to pick us up from Ep 4 is one of my first memories.  But if A New Hope was the beginning of my fandom, then Revenge of the Sith is the end of it, and I feel no more need to be a fanboy for the series.

I suppose I could blame the meddling, monomaniacal George Lucas for this, what with his weird project to retcon of the original Triad such that it's now less coherent, but that would be a lie.  Instead, I blame the fans, and the surrounding promotion.  The problem is this:  Lucas wanted to spice up his space opera with a big, beautiful, detailed galaxy as its backdrop.  Tell the adventure story, keep the robots and aliens moving in the background, and bring them forward when you need to do a chase scene.  The movies are great this way.  Lots of entertainment, lots of action, very fun.

But some people would go watch a Star Wars movie, and end up getting it all backwards:  They saw a movie about Space, with a silly adventure story tacked on.  Who's that?  What's that thing?  What's that do?  They wanted answers, and if the films weren't giving them, they were going to make it up themselves.  Hasbro helped out by releasing a toy of just about everything, with a little backstory on the box that was supposed to justify why Walrus Man would be important to your collection.  Sane kids ignored this stuff and just made up their own scenarios.  But there was enough of a fanbase that found this entertaining, that it started a second-order effect.  Walrus Man's from a planet called Ando?  What's it like there?  Is it part of the rebellion?  How's it doing?

Movies don't come out often enough to answer these questions, so instead people wrote books and comics, guides, specifications, draft designs, and alternate histories.  Nowadays, the body of work creating the SWU has not only dwarfed Ep IV-VI, it's humiliated it.  Luke Skywalker, once a reluctant farm boy who rose to become a great hero, is now just a pissant whiner compared to Titans of the Force like Mace Windu or Kit Fisto.  When did we ever see Vader act as brutal as Darth Nihilus, or as calculating as Admiral Thrawn?  Yet Luke and Vader are supposed to be the epic characters of the Star Wars Universe.  30 years on, the reasons for their mythology have become almost quaint.

When I was finished with Revenge of the Sith, it was like I was freed of a burden.  There was no reason to keep the story in my mind--it was all told, and I could safely assume that any loose ends that remained were not of any importance, in the big picture.  I'm on to comic books now.

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What got me to write this

thefadd.

Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 08:25:21 PM EST

none

...was the History channel docutainment pieces. Watching them, you'd think George Lucas was the greatest thinker of our time. That makes to think we've over analyzed his movies "just a tad" -- I mean for a Star Wars fan, this is really fun to think but c'mon, it's not even the best movie of all time let alone some mega canon of enlightenment. At the same time...Lucas was able to create something that was so massively accessible as to open itself up to such overkill.

The History Channel's pieces relied heavily on the rather obvious interpretation that Lucas based his stories on Joseph Campbell's mythological archetypes. I'm really most interested in hearing what people have to say about the applicability of those archetypes to actually influence people and society...as interpreted through Star Wars, if you will. Personally, I am dedicating my life to the tearing down of that hooey.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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One versus the other

Lou.

Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 08:42:17 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

I remember a very heated argument in the patio of my highschool (yes, SW and I go that far back*).  While Star Wars was an awful lot of fun...was it Science Fiction...or was it Space Opera?  Looking back on the first three (I haven't seen the first First Three, so I can't speak to them), I still say space opera....just another adventure plot tarted up with ftl ships, robots, and light sabers.  Don't get me wrong...the space opera part was a blast...and we even got one of my buds to dress up as a somewhat gay looking Storm Trooper during prom.  I don't know where this "power of myth" stuff showed up.  It's a fun movie...isn't that good enough?

*How far back, you ask?  My mother and I were walking into the movie just as my best friend and HIS mother were walking out.  That's how far back...and I must admit...that's how pathetic.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: What got me to write this

WMK.

Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 11:37:46 AM EST

none

I watched the History Channel things about Star Wars this weekend, they were fun.  The star studded cameo parade was interesting with the biggest surprise being that Camille Paglia didn't annoy the shit out of me - she was actually very interesting.  As far as Mythological Archetypes goes - I don't know if actually Lucas drew from as many different sources as the gasbags analysis of various SW scenes picked out - but he certainly did draw on SOME of Campbell's ideas to cobble the story for the first 3 movies together (definitely the whole Darth Vader is Luke's father (following similar paths to possibly similar fates) and Luke being transformed from a boy into a man via his 'trials' ... the Ewok dance party and 'let's make a talking Robot only he's REALLY faggy' ...not so much).

I dimly remember watching  the Joseph Campbell 'Power of Myth' interviews with Bill Moyers and the interview Campbell did with Lucas years later.  We even had a copy of the power of myth lying around the house but I didn't have patience to read all of it.  It was the 80s and I was in HS - I had other things to do.

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Re: Star Wars At 30

skeptic.

Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:26:19 PM EST

none

Does Star Wars deserve the hoopla?  I think so.  I can see a number of legitimate criticisms that  could be made of Star Wars.  There are some elements of the series that are implausible, childish, and silly.  It is certainly not the most profound examination of the human condition to appear on the silver screen.  It seems to be largely cobbled together from previous science fictional cliches.  Nonetheless, it is tremendously entertaining.  It is in some ways very clever and innovative in the way that it adapted science fictional ideas to the movie genre, which had previously only appeared in print, or if filmed, had utterly inadequate special effects (i.e, Flash Gordon etc.).  Star Wars is visually very exciting.  It sustains a consistent vision across six movies; Lucas takes his own ideas seriously enough to do them justice.  And most importantly, it is an immensely influential and beloved work which is embedded in the public consciousness, and which is an inextricable part of the popular culture of the late 20th and early 21st century (and perhaps will remain popular for centuries to come, although that is not something we can know for certain at this time).  

Even in the form of novels, the Star Wars universe has been surprisingly productive.  Timothy Zahn in particular has written a series of very impressive Star Wars novels which are both fully consistent with the movie version and fully successful as novels.  Many movies and TV series have inspired novels, but none of the others (that I know of) as as good as the Zahn Star Wars novels.

Star Wars is a compelling vision of good and evil, much like Lord of the Rings.  This lends dramatic depth, despite the fact that in the real world, good and evil are usually much more complex and less obvious than they are in either the Star Wars or Lord of the Rings universes.  In this, Star Wars differs from another huge phenomenon of popular entertainment, the Harry Potter series.  Harry Potter is much more trivial than Star Wars, and much less deserving of its massive popularity, in my own humble opinion.  One wonders of Harry Potter will also become subject to the kind of scholarly examination and reverential retrospectives that we now see being applied to Star Wars.  But even Harry Potter, by reason of its popularity alone, would deserve some serious attention.  It is now part of our culture.  

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