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Can The State Of The Union Handle Another State In The Union?

pO157.

Posted to Etcetera on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 02:48:21 AM EST (promoted by 1fastdog). RSS.

Puerto Rico, an area with more residents than at least 25 other states in the Union is still labeled a "Commonwealth" -- a designation that periodically spurs debate about its future across the country.

It is happening yet again, with the introduction and likely passage in the House of the Puerto Rico Democracy Act of 2007 (pdf). This bill would allow the residents of Puerto Rico to call a constitutional convention to determine their future status, whether it be continuation of the status quo (in this case repeated ballots would be taken every 8 years until a permanent decision is made) or their choice of statehood, or some sort of independence.

Already, the idea of a permanent change to the status of Puerto Rico has generated controversy. One group points out that statehood has never reached a full majority and objects that Spanish is still the official language in Puerto Rico - with English having been added officially only 14 years ago - and thus could be the only US state where another language is the official language for transaction of
government business.

Also, Puerto Rico is extremely poor, with its inhabitants receiving income of less than half per month of the average resident of the poorest US state, Mississippi, and there are concerns about the rest of the nation needing to support a new impoverished state with government services.

Of course, the idea of statehood for Puerto Rico has its supporters who point out that Puerto Rico already is exempt from paying federal income tax yet get services and citizenship. Thus they argue it would be in the best interest of the mainland to accept a new state. In any event, they also point out it is physically closer than Alaska and Hawaii, about the size of Connecticut, and has other putative state-like characteristics.

This may be a decision "mainlanders" should get involved in: since the number of seats in the House of Representatives is capped at 435 the estimated six seats taken by PR will likely be stripped from other states. Of course, this will not address the "Taxation without Representation" claims brought forth by denizens of other historically significant places in the union.

Tags: edited by Port1080, edited by 1fastdog, written by pO157, Puerto Rico, Statehood, Washington DC (all tags)

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The Puerto Rican Question.

MayorBob.

Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 09:04:44 AM EST

4.00 (informative, informative)

Independence from the US really isn't much of an issue as independence parties in Puerto Rico are small and don't register that many votes during the occasional referenda on statehood/commonwealth/independence they have.  I believe the last referendum on the issue ended up something like: a little over 50% for commonwealth; 47% for statehood; 3% for independence.

Frankly, I see the entire business of what shape the flag ends up  with 51 stars vice 50 to be non-issue.  US flags have had odd numbered stars on it during its history.  I would think the 51 dilemma can be resolved by six staggered rows of nine and eight stars to end up with 51.  Thus, the $64K question becomes, how strong is the sentiment on the island for statehood now and what is the political will in Congress to vote in a new state?  

One quibble I have with the write up, which is standard excellence from PO157, is that the business of Puerto Ricans paying federal taxes but still receiving federal services isn't totally accurate.  See this portion of the wikipedia article on Puerto Rico for a little more in depth information regarding Puerto Ricans and their taxes, federal and otherwise.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Sorry about that Mayor Bob, my bad!

pO157.

Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 10:33:04 AM EST

none

I just noticed that error. Thanks for pointing it out.

Leela: [reading] Death by airlock failure ... death by brain parasite ... death by sonic diarrhea!? Hermes: Oh, we don't want that one!

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Objections to Puerto Rican statehood

skeptic.

Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 08:38:48 AM EST

3.00 (interesting, funny)

I do see a number of problems.  First of all, 50 states in the union is such a nice, round number.  Secondly, let us remember that all the US flags would have to be revised as well, to have 51 stars.  And what with the current, financially over-extended state of the federal government, with its out-of-control war spending, insane national debt, etc., the cost of the new flags might just push the whole country over the edge into financial collapse.

Then, from the Puerto Rican perspective, do they really want to assume the responsibilities of statehood at a time when the US is in such a mess?  Complete independence from the US and its wars, its national debt etc., could be a much more attractive option.

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Puerto Rican statehood

nmiguy.

Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 02:21:04 PM EST

3.50 (interesting, interesting)

From Puerto Rico's perspective, why become a state?  I mean, why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?  ;)

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Re: Puerto Rican statehood

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 06:22:48 PM EST

none

From Puerto Rico's perspective, why become a state?
Six congressmen and two senators, that's why.

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Re: Puerto Rican statehood

nmiguy.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:27:57 AM EST

none

What is the compelling need for 6 congressmen and 2 senators?  I mean it is great to have representation and support from the federal government, BUT they are already under the protection of the United States.  Puerto Rico already gets state like benefits.  And they don't pay federal taxes, do they?  They way it stands they get a lot of benefit for little investment.  If they become a state, they can get a bit more, but at a greater cost.  The thing they get most is some political influence.  

I suppose the big thing is that it would shift the balance of power significantly.  Let's say for the sake of argument that Puerto Rico becomes a state, and is a blue state.  6 new congressmen and 2 new senators, shifts congressional power in favor of democrats.  Vetoes will get overrides.  The VP won't get a vote in case of a tie.  The dynamic in DC does change significantly.  Let's say it is a red state.  You could conceivably have dynastic control of congress by a single party.  It is interesting.  

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Re: Puerto Rican statehood

zyxwvutsr.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:31:05 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant, astute)

What is the compelling need for 6 congressmen and 2 senators?
Gasto del cerdo-barril.

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Re: Puerto Rican statehood

pO157.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 10:24:42 AM EST

none

D'oh! Damn my monoglot existence! I did not look that up before I posted my response below.

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Re: Puerto Rican statehood

thefadd.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:14:47 PM EST

none

There's no way in hell it would be a red state. It would be the bluest of blues. The Popular Democratic Party holds the governorship, is very liberal and argues for autonomy. The New Progressive Party holds the legislature, is moderately liberal and argues for statehood. The Dems could only be so lucky as to get Puerto Rican statehood. Maybe it would balance out the last go 'round of gerrymandering in Texas.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: Puerto Rican statehood

pO157.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 10:23:16 AM EST

none

What is the compelling need for 6 congressmen and 2 senators?  I mean it is great to have representation and support from the federal government, BUT they are already under the protection of the United States.

I've got five words for you:
Pork.
Barrel.
Projects.
and
Designated.
Earmarks.

But then again, perhaps I am just too cynical and jaded.

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Coño Despierta Boricua!

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 09:26:07 AM EST

none

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Re: Coño Despierta Boricua!

pO157.

Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 09:33:10 AM EST

none

I have no idea what any of that means, and Babelfish didn't help so I will be the ugly american: English, please!

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Re: Coño Despierta Boricua!

Dvandom.

Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 09:41:24 AM EST

none

Roughly, it's a slogan demanding Puerto Ricans (Boricuas) wake up, asking what's up with them that they're not rebelling already?

This is not a signature.

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Re: Coño Despierta Boricua!

pO157.

Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 10:09:58 AM EST

none

Oh okay. I figured that would be about right. It reminded me of similar wall graffiti I saw around in Guatemala and Nicaragua, except this has fewer pictures of barbed wire, machine guns, and clenched fists. Probably the same level of anti-american slogans/sentiment, though.

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