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The Best TV Series ... EVER!

MayorBob.

Posted to Etcetera on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:40:13 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

The HBO series, The Sopranos was recently brought to a sudden end with the truncated crooning of Steve Perry.  Perhaps not the best ending ever (or maybe it was) but the series is rated highly by those who followed it over eight seasons, not to mention TV critics.  This raises the question of, if not The Sopranos, then what TV series qualifies as the greatest EVER?

To judge from Golden Globe-winning series, the answer might be The X-Files which won three awards to one for Tony's family.  But then, that 1980s snoozefest Murder, She Wrote won twice as many awards as The Sopranos, so maybe that's no real measure.  As for that other TV industry award show, the Emmies, it's a bit more complex yet similarly underwhelming for The Sopranos.  In the dramatic series category, the five wins for L.A. Law dwarf The Sopranos single win.  And Frazier matched LA Law with five wins for comedy series.

Enough of the industry's ability to slap themselves on their back.  What do lesser folk have to say?  Critics said that Hill Street Blues was the best ever back in 1994.  The lumpen proles on the internet have voted and they say Firefly was numero uno of all time.  All of which leads inexorably to the people who matter the most when it comes to the arts and entertainment - you.

What's your call on the best TV series of all time?  Do you favor a show from the 50s and 60s like I Love Lucy or maybe The Twilight Zone?  Are you someone who will defy all odds and assert that Charlie's Angels or The Love Boat represented the apex of TV series artform?  Will you identify with every alienated, high school student and come down on the side of Freaks and Geeks?  Or do you believe the best TV series of all time is on right now?

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

huxrules.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 05:29:02 AM EST

5.00 (obnoxious)

" Do you watch Battlestar Galactica? No?  Then you are an idiot."

A good show about a great show.

Best ever- I'll have to go with The Simpsons.

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

thefadd.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:56:38 PM EST

none

I had to rate you +5 obnoxious as an homage to Bart but I have to agree with you. That show has been on the air for over two decades. It's been on so long it's been through at least 4 different phases -- the early shock value, the middle seasons where they really hit their groove, the down period when Futurama sucked away half their creative talent and finally the current revival period. Other shows may have had short periods of brilliance in comparison but no one has amassed the sheer volume of episodes of doing what they do so well.

make it rain you nappy headed ho's

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

UkraineNotWeak.

Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 02:52:53 PM EST

none

Some of my favorite past shows:

  • First season of 24, before it became torture porn.
  • Star Trek Next Generation.
  • Sledgehammer
  • Seinfeld
  • Cheers
  • Arrested Development

Some of my favorite current shows:

  • The Office
  • Curb Your Enthusiasm ( The last two seasons haven't been that strong though.)
  • Entourage (although the premise of the show is wearing thin. It seems like every episode features Vince and the guys waking up to Drama cooking them breakfast. They then smoke pot. Trouble later arises with Ari over a script. Somehow at the end of the episode they end up at a fabulous party in the Hollywood Hills, where they wax about how great they have it.)

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Buffy

skeptic.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:51:39 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

Seven seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, with the additional five seasons of Angel (which were such an organic outgrowth of the original series that I think of it as part of the same series) are in my own (idiosyncratic) opinion, certainly the best TV series ever.  Firefly, also created by Joss Whedon, was also of superb quality, however, since it ran for only one season, it couldn't compare to the total of 12 seasons of Buffy/Angel, which at their greater length were able to present a much richer artistic feast.

In Buffy/Angel we have a sense of irony seldom achieved on television, we have a fantasy that takes it own premises seriously enough to give intelligent and believable speculations about the consequences of those premises, and we have brilliant performances by actors who gave very honest and convincing reactions to the bizarre situations in which they were placed.  It is truly an amazing fantasy.    

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Re: Buffy

tomc.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 03:15:26 PM EST

none

Indeed. By far the best series I've ever seen on television.  A great combination of action/mystery/romance/comedy/fantasy/thriller/...

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

rombuu.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:02:36 PM EST

5.00

The Prisoner.  Thought provoking, stretches the capabilities of what TV can do, strong unity of vision, lots of cool "what the hell moments", and an ending that makes the Sopranos finale look like it has the clarity of a See Spot Run book.

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

thefadd.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:02:04 PM EST

4.00 (funny)

Every episode of The Prisoner makes the Sopranos finale look like it has the clarity of a See Spot Run book. I bought the DVDs after a discussion on plastic and found it to be the type of television that is right up my alley. I just felt like they left too much on the table and became too entrenched in the monotony of 6's escape attempts.

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

rombuu.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:28:59 PM EST

none

I just felt like they left too much on the table

By not actually explaining much of anything?  Yeah, that was kind of a bummer....

and became too entrenched in the monotony of 6's escape attempts

That seems worse when you watch them all together instead of spread out over time, but that's a fair criticism.  The fact there are only 17 episodes and they still have filler where they are recycling old Danger Man (or Secret Agent Man) scripts or the western episode (which is oddly enjoyable... Brits doing the old west), is hard to forgive.  But still, man, the best dozen out of that 17 I'd put up against anything.

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

thefadd.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 03:23:29 PM EST

none

By not actually explaining much of anything? Yeah, that was kind of a bummer....

I actually love the not explaining anything. I'm 100% cool with that. Maybe it was budgetary constraints but I feel like there could have been some richer details to what they did. Of course symbolism was a huge part of the series but it felt as if a lot of things were just stand-ins for what they were supposed to be instead of actually being that thing. I gave thought to the possibility that there are references to 1970's brit culture that would fill in the blanks but as someone who was able to appreciate Are You Being Served?, I don't didn't get the feeling too much was going over my head in that regard. Maybe it was the supporting acting.

But still, man, the best dozen out of that 17 I'd put up against anything.

True. In such a short run, you do have to applaud them for taking some of the risks they did and clunkers are going to come along with that. The series easily goes into my top 5 or 10. I'd put it at #6 just for the inside joke.

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The Best

3fingerspointback.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 01:54:53 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

must....not...make...list....must....not...make....list....

Futurama.  A great premise, and it never jumped the shark.  The Simpsons has it beat in volume, but man there are some dog episodes out there.  Unlike Whedon's stuff, you can start watching at any episode and quickly pick up the plot.  They had real scientists on the writing staff, and you can see that from the in-jokes scattered through the episodes.  They even managed to bring a tear to my eye more than once.

There were other good shows on TV as well, but aside from Arrested Development, they've all been mentioned already.

(is 3fingerspointback)

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Re: The Best

thefadd.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 12:52:51 PM EST

none

I could never fully appreciate futurama because I always felt like it sucked the creative life blood out of the simpsons. the simpsons had its worst episodes while groening was distracted by futurama and some of their best after futurama went away. then again maybe it re-invigorated him...

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Re: The Best

Tbola.

Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 03:56:51 PM EST

none

I could never fully appreciate futurama because I always felt like it sucked the creative life blood out of the simpsons.

I think I have a solution.
"The Critic" was really the first drain on the Simpsons key creative talent pool... (Al Jean & Mike Reiss brought The Simpsons that nerdy-edged humor), and that show IMHO, just flat-out sucked.

So - you can do yourself a favour - boycott "The Critic", and watch "Futurama"!

...Although I will say that any Simpsons episode with a DVD commentary featuring Jon Lovitz with Reiss and/or Jean is completely hilarious.  It's strange that they didn't have more success together.

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

wetkarma.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:10:18 AM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Ever? I don't really know..the first couple seasons of Family Guy were really good. I do agree with the internet folks that firefly was awesome, but it didn't really last very long. I think you need multi-season staying power to exhibit a strong sense of quality.

I recall (cringe) liking Remington Steele a lot when I was a kid..ditto for McGyver but suspect that if I watched them now I'd think they would suck.

If I had to vote for one series, I'd give the nod to Seinfeld. Any random episode is still funny.

That said..I nominate Cowboy Bepop as a dark horse contender ;)

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

Toby Flip.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 07:30:46 PM EST

none

Oi, Spaiku!

Cowboy Bebop is so cool it makes the otaku watching it cool!  If just for a short time.  I didn't like the movie so much though.  My vote for best series is Yes, Minister/Yes, Prime Minister.  At times I have been literally shocked by the staggeringly tight writing of that series and its delivery by the actors.

If I limit myself to American shows, I would have to agree with the Simpsons for the reasons stated above.

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

teaweed.

Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 04:23:58 PM EST

none

You may be right about the multi-season test. Farscape was so cool the first few seasons, but sure stank towards the end. Or was it always bad and I didn't notice for years?

As a kid, McGyver was the first series I remember getting excited about. Speaking of guilty pleasures, Malcolm in the Middle often delights me. I only admit this from the mostly-anonymous safety of the internet.

I've only seen one episode of Cowboy Bebop, so can't compare, but I'd nominate Neon Genesis: Evangelion as an anime contender.

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Tbola.

Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 07:27:48 PM EST

none

Speaking of guilty pleasures, Malcolm in the Middle often delights me.

Guilty?
That show was awesome.
Had some of the Larry Sanders Show team working on it, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaking of The Larry Sanders Show - christ, that show was good.
It should be in the top 10 best comedy series list, easy.

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

thefadd.

Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 02:20:28 PM EST

none

Malcolm in the Middle is very entertaining. But for sheer entertainment value, I don't think it compares to the Jack Van Impe news hour. I'll take that over the Daily Show any day.

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

pO157.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 06:38:41 AM EST

none

Homicide: Life on the Street.
Law & Order (But not that stupid Criminal Intent one).
Simpsons, The.

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

jwb.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 01:29:43 PM EST

5.00

18 posts so far and nobody has mentioned The Wire?  That is the best show ever aired.  I also loved Homicide: Life on the Streets, and The Wire has the same creator.  The Wire has everything that was good about Homicide ten times over.

I wonder if the last 10 years of HBO will be looked upon as some kind of television golden age.  The shows have been of such high quality that no other network can hope to compare.  The Sopranos, The Wire, Deadwood, Six Feet Under, Sex and the City...  These all rank high on my list of all-time best TV series.

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

pO157.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 04:44:47 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

The Wire? Never watched it. But I'll have to look for it on reruns.

As far as HBO, usually I don't get premium cable but I have still seen a few of the shows you mention and I wasn't a big fan.

Six Feet Under? Yeah, let's take a trashy sitcom family with all the drama that entails and combine it with some career day like advertisement to go into the mortuary business while prying into peoples' personal moments. Sorry, I just never saw the point of that show.

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Re: The Wire reruns

teaweed.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:38:25 PM EST

4.50 (informative, informative)

The show isn't episodic in the way that say, Homicide: Life in the Streets or Law and Order is. Each season could be considered one episode, while individual shows are more like a couple of pages from a chapter. One might be able to enjoy a rerun, but would probably miss the greater part of The Wire's charms, catching a rerun here or there. I recommend watching them in order. And I do recommend them. The Wire is great television!

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

thefadd.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 05:05:37 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

I appreciated the effort on Six Feet Under but it couldn't hook me for the same reasons Arrest Development couldn't. It just seemed over-produced, too slick and trying to hard to be clever.

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pO157.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 07:13:25 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

Jeez! I forgot Arrested Development! Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Now, Gobias some coffee.

Like a guy in a $1600 suit is gonna forget Arrested Development as part of his favorite TV show list, COME ON!

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

rombuu.

Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 02:38:34 AM EST

5.00 (funny)

We have all made a horrible mistake.

(One of the few shows I own on DVD, along with the aforementioned Prisoner, some Monte Python, and some Dr. Who)

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3fingerspointback.

Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 11:49:27 PM EST

none

The main reason Arrested Development didn't make my best-ever show is that, watching it back-to-back on the DVD, I was struck by how formulaic it was.  Granted, the formula they used was time-tested and proven by Shakespeare in about half of his plays, but towards the end of the series, I could smell the mistaken-identity gag of the week from a mile away.

(is 3fingerspointback)

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thefadd.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 02:01:03 AM EST

none

This is the problem I have with improv in general. You think "improvisation" -- oh, new random crap that's guaranteed to come out of no where. And yet in practice, it's become possibly the most formulaic art form there is.

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The Wire is The Best TV Series ... EVER!

permazorch.

Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 01:40:32 PM EST

none

Fuck. Yes.

----- The earth may fail, but we will quiver

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Re: The Best TV Series ... EVER!

Lou.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 08:09:37 AM EST

none

In no particular order...

Family Guy
Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea
Star Trek TNG
Stargate SG-1
MST-3000
Brother Cadfael
The Red Green Show
Bug Bunny/Road Runner Hour

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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I'll admit I was a Sopranos fan.

MayorBob.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 08:50:35 AM EST

none

I watched the series from beginning to end (and I'm someone who kinda, sorta liked the ending).  However, there is no way I'd consider the Sopranos the best series ever.  It had a brilliant first season (maybe the best single season for a series ever) but it began showing frays in the fabric from about the end of the second series on.  There were moments of brilliance interlaced throughout in the later years: Steve Buscemi's character was great (but then I'm a stone Buscemi fan); Joe Pantoliano's appearances managed to overcome my normal abhorrence of Joe Pants as an actor; the Russian hitman in the Pine Barrens; and the Johnny Sac storyline was great.  But a lot of what passed for action and storylines over the eight year storyline was weird (all those dream episodes) or like they were mailing it in (the overly simplistic way they managed to get rid of their Phil problem in the last episode).  Even David Chase admitted at the end that he was running on empty.

But the Sopranos are not unlike a other series TV -- they start out with a great premise, great acting, crisp writing, terrific storylines and, sooner or later, they hit a wall (jump the shark I guess).  This happened with another series I used to love to watch the first and second year it was on -- Hill Street Blues.  The problem is they ran out of ideas and the storylines and writing began to suffer for the urge to find something to shock the audience with.  Of course, on HBO you can always kick it up a notch because language and nudity and violence aren't quite the issue that they still are for broadcast TV.  But, even then, if you reach a level of shocking language and action, where do you go from there?

This is a long-winded way of getting at what I believe is the best series ever made for TV -- the mother ship of cop and lawyer shows -- Law and Order.  About the only low moments that show ever encountered was when they had the colorless Elizabeth Rohm playing an assistant DA.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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It Doesn't Count

uncarved block.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 10:01:53 AM EST

none

   My favorite series wasn't dramatic, in either sense of the word: Booknotes on C-SPAN. Brian Lamb interviewing nonfiction authors against a black background may not do it for everyone, but for a long time, it was something I looked forward to every week. The secret was the range of subjects, along with the quirkiness that the writing life brings out in folks. Sometimes it got tiresome hearing the same questions each week ("where do you write?", "How many hours a week?", etc), but sometimes the answers would be interesting. One guy wrote in his attic, but never put in anything more than the pull down ladder to get up there-- talk about isolation. Make all the jokes you want about how boring C-SPAN is; it was an easy way to learn a lot about a subject you might never have heard about, in just one hour. The current replacements are lackluster, in no small part because of an effort to make the shows topical.
    As to the actual question at hand, I'd have to vote for the first three season of Law And Order, before the drama got ratcheted up to high. The very pedestrian nature of the cases was what made it interesting, seeing something close to what the daily life of cops and prosecutors may be like. (Don't have direct experience to say for sure.) Some of the moments were pure gold, and flowed easily from the narrative: the look on Chris Noth's face after a fur dealer who'd they just strong-armed answered a question with, "who am I, Karnak?" was a perfect mix of bullying shrewdness and youthful overconfidence all rolled up in one. And Jerry Orbach! He'd done the same schtick for years, but finally found a vehicle that made it click perfectly. The scene(s) where he gets information from a restaurant owner by taking a free meal ("he thinks I'm crooked") makes you ponder- well me, anyway- just how clean a big city cop could ever really be.
    Later, the drama, shouting, and (over)acting just got too much.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Twin Peaks

thefadd.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 03:28:35 PM EST

none

From my perspective, that show consumed our culture with an intensity like no other in my life time until perhaps the ultra trashy American Idol. But in going back and watching old episodes, I only catch brief glimpses of the brilliance I used to see in it. Does anyone have an opinion on why? Did everything David Lynch did after episode 12 just kill it? Still, it has to get significant arguments for a place in the top 10. Some of the situational humor was just amazing. Victorian Jackson has always been an underrated comedian and Sherilyn Fenn never came off so sexy before or after.

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Re: Twin Peaks

thefadd.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 03:31:52 PM EST

none

Victorian Jackson has always been an underrated comedian

My mistake, I was thinking of the Saturday Night Live sketch. It's been awhile, ok?

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Re: Twin Peaks

Tbola.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 04:21:06 PM EST

none

I would certainly say that the first season of Peaks (which wasn't even a full season) was a masterpiece.
It was like Lynch's quirkiness and Frost's storytelling came together into something magical.
And the film-caliber musical score was outstanding.

By the 2nd season, though, things had clearly changed.  Lynch was distracted because he was making "Wild At Heart", and it really seemed like they didn't plan on having to fill an entire season in order to complete their story arc.
Ridiculous B-stories started popping up... and once the Laura Palmer issue was resolved, the Wyndam Earl A-story just didn't cut it.

And there's the frustration for me.  The idea that a story has to be 90 to 120 minutes long (feature film) or 22 episodes long (or whatever a network season is) just seems so limiting.
I can't imagine BBC's "Black Adder" series being improved at all by being forced to fill up a regular network season.
(Maybe a comedy is a bad example.)

I love the fact that HBO now has some 8 or 10 episode-per-season shows.  
I only wish Twin Peaks could have had shorter seasons like that.
Sometimes less is more.

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let's get it on, it's time to get down

thefadd.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 05:21:47 PM EST

none

I know we like to be intellectualist and all but for sheer entertainment value, I have to mention Soul Train. If you measure "great" by how many times I show has managed to get me to turn on the television, then it's gotta be in my top 5. And I watch TV so little, it's only fair to measure it that way. Don Cornelius has introduced so many artists to the public for the first time that the shows impact transcends its medium like few other programs can.

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Honorable Mention

uncarved block.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 10:47:55 PM EST

none

    I was cleaning house the next day after posting for the first time, and was reminded of one of the best shows that PBS's Mystery ever brought to the US: Sherlock Holmes, as portrayed by Jeremy Brett.
    41 episodes in all, including some stone-cold classics like "Hound of the Baskervilles" and "Sign of Four", but also stories even this former owner of the complete stories had forgotten-- "The Empty House" and "The Mazarin Stone", for example. The period recreations and adherence to the original stories were what was touted at first release, but over time you begin to relax and enjoy the interplay between Brett and Hardwicke, especially as Hardwicke set out to downplay the "Watson as buffoon" tradition that had endured on the screen for so long. ("Watson is just a man of average intelligence who happens to be in the company of a genius" was how he explained it once in an interview.) Sure, his Watson is always a little too interested in where and when the next meal is going to be, and in getting his rest-- but then the character was supposed to be a military man, and these are traits historically associated with that profession. (If nothing else, it shows rather than tells how Holmes is violating "normal life" for the times.)
    Are they all home runs? No, but there's only a handful of episodes that don't warrant a second or third viewing, and that's pretty high praise for a character that's so well known. If you haven't already seen a sample or two, it's well worth a couple hours of your life to take a chance on-- of the first seven on that list, only "The Solitary Cyclist" is a real yawn, even if it does have a rare fight scene. You can catch said fight, and several episodes, on Youtube, though the picture quality doesn't always capture Brett at his best.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Oh, Sorry

uncarved block.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 11:35:28 PM EST

none

   That was supposed to be a comment and not a reply. If it doesn't connect to your comment about Soul Train in the slightest, well, there's the reason :)

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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