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Dateline's Perverted Justice

pO157.

Posted to Legal on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 07:24:58 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

On November 5, 2006 District Attorney Louis "Bill" Conradt, Jr shot himself as the police moved in on his house with cameras rolling. The reporters were part of Dateline NBC's "To Catch a Predator" series, and the family is now suing stating that Mr. Conradt's death is a result of their actions.

The plaintiff in the case, Patricia Conradt, states that NBC "steamrolled" local police into showing up at his house with cameras rolling to arrest him as part of the "To Catch a Predator Series," even after he failed to show up at the rigged trap house a few miles away. She is asking for $105 million.

The "Catch a Predator Series" generally works by teaming up volunteers from Perverted Justice who enter internet chat rooms pretending to be underage children. When potential suspects talk to those online volunteers they are invited to a "bait" house which is monitored by Dateline and the police. After arriving they are confronted by Chris Hansen and subsequently arrested ambush-style by heavily armed police, sometimes with the use of Tasers.

However, Mr. Conradt, a highly regarded jurist, did not show up at the bait house and police moved to arrest him on the strength of his online conversations. Dateline says the man sent pornographic images to the perverted justice volunteer and that the police went to his house with a warrant, and a SWAT team forced entry on their own volition. They also claim that 100% of the suspects arrested through that show either plead guilty without a trial or are awaiting their day in court.

You may wonder, what happened to the other people arrested that day in Murphy, Texas? After questioning whether the arrests were even legal, the local DA stated he had absolutely no interest in prosecuting those 23 cases. It turns out that:

"only eight of the 23 cases show promise, [Murphy County DA] Roach says, because of meager evidence and record keeping by Murphy police.

'If they had been in control of this situation we could have good cases to present. They're a professional organization and they know what they're doing. What they did instead though is abdicate completely to outsiders frankly who don't know diddly squat frankly about the law enforcement.'

The throw-down arrests, hidden cameras, and confrontations make fascinating television for many but the DA says are unneeded..."

Dateline says the civil suit is completely without merit and will contest it in court.

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by pO157, Dateline, Perverted Justice, sex offenders, suicide, Texas (all tags)

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20/20 and Stossel

keta.

Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 07:06:05 PM EST

4.00 (informative, informative)

As mentioned in the queue, John Stossel has his own little litigation to deal with.

It's difficult to feel any sympathy for the plaintiff, but journalism standards are so bereft of principles that I applaud a suit of this kind, if for no other reason that it will (hopefully) make news-gatherers think twice about twisting stories for the biggest possible emotional impact.

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that's pretty outrageous

thefadd.

Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 08:04:17 PM EST

none

Man, you should be allowed to volunteer for jury duty sometimes. tnt [at] plastiverse.com, treethings if you need to read it.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Perhaps a flawed comparison...

pO157.

Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 10:31:33 AM EST

none

While writing this article I wondered why Dateline and a large segment of society views the actions of the freelance groups Perverted Justice and the Judge from Montana laudable.

However, many of the same segment likely have problems with neighborhood watch groups, or reserve police officers even if they just watch assigned neighborhoods or are asked to perform some of the more mundane law enforcement tasks to free up the regular police. Yet, the second group is likely well trained, passed a background check, accountable to a command structure, has some authority vested in them from a governmental agency, investigative standards and generally does go around labeling people "terrorists" or "sex offenders."

Is it perhaps because these self-appointed internet volunteers go after groups that many believe are so slimy as to be subject to frontier style vigilante justice, whereas the "official" law enforcement volunteers are the ones slapping a ticket on their illegally parked car?

A side note: researching this post made me think this may be a topic worthy of discussion. Should I write it up?

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Re: Perhaps a flawed comparison...

port1080.

Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 10:47:23 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

While writing this article I wondered why Dateline and a large segment of society views the actions of the freelance groups Perverted Justice and the Judge from Montana laudable.

I think you're on to something with the vigilante aspect...it's certainly is strange, though. I grew up in a rural area that doesn't have local police (and is generally happy not to), where people tend to be pretty suspicious of the law-man, and yet they're also very law-and-order, anti-drugs, etc. It never quite made sense to me...I ended up with the suspicion of authority, but going all the way to the ACLU camp (which would make me a crazy tree-hugging hippy if I ever really admitted my political beliefs to my family...which is pretty funny, since most crazy tree-hugging hippies would probably not be too thrilled to have me in their camp either). I think that a lot of it comes down to a general lack of political education in this country. People have feelings about political issues, they don't really think them out. They know they hate terr'rists, and they know they hate ped'rasts, and they also hate the cop that pulls them over for speeding and the meter maid that gives them a parking ticket. On a personal level there's no real inconsistency with those feelings, but anyone who take more than half a moment to think about it would realize there is some tension there...unfortunately, I don't think most Americans ever take that half-second to think it over.

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Not So Sure

uncarved block.

Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 10:24:43 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

that there's a real lack of "political education" in the US; there seem to be countless books, radio shows, TV shows, magazines, newsletters, graffiti, what have you, trying to persuade one to think about their issue (or group of issues) in one particular way. The problem, or at least part of it, is that many people just have no way to get a sense of context for this tidal wave of information that suffuses their lives-- if they let it. Perfectly dressed men from think tanks can offer really just bat shit insane ideas on C-SPAN, while less nicely dressed folks will make reasonable points that sound unreasonable just because of their approach (argumentative, too much fervor, sarcasm, etc.) And this is if you can even take five minutes to watch or listen, always a good question when there's so many other sources of entertainment at your fingertips . . .
    What I've noticed more often is that people have one topic, sometimes two, in the political spectrum that they've thought about a little: guns, drugs, gay marriage, religion, what have you. The trouble comes when the confidence of knowing one thing pretty well make you think you know a lot better than you do. (The story of my early days on Plastic!) At least this has been my experience: a corollary is that most folks I've met have one thing they believe that's just way out there. Things like believing the Masons really run things, or that the government faked the moon landings, or that the Mossad killed JFK. The stereotype of the conspiracy theory fanatic who believes in all of it is far less frequent (though I've met a couple) than an otherwise normal person with one little quirk.
    Would increased attention and more consistency make things better? I dunno. From what little I've read of US cultural/political history, some of the best educated debates were the most ferocious, or at least the media in those days wasn't noted for subtlety-- check out some early Prohibition literature, not so much for the balance of the argument, but to think about what kind of rhetoric was considered acceptable at the time. Anyone making an anti-drug ad that was even close would be greeted with horror by the current media savvy audience.
    At least that's the way it looks from this keyboard :)

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Perhaps a flawed comparison...

thefadd.

Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 01:45:15 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

They just don't think shit through. I mean we all may disagree about plenty of stuff on here all but at least we've all thought our positions through in some logical manner. Most of my conversations in rl consist of asking genuinely interested questions to slowly draw out the internal contradictions within people's own beliefs to the point where they either go, "oh," or they storm off with their heads about the explode.

On pO's original thought, I think people just love a lynchmob. Viscerally, it feels highly satisfactory in an instant gratification way.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Perhaps a flawed comparison...

pO157.

Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 02:05:49 PM EST

none

They just don't think shit through. I mean we all may disagree about plenty of stuff on here all but at least we've all thought our positions through in some logical manner. Most of my conversations in rl consist of asking genuinely interested questions to slowly draw out the internal contradictions within people's own beliefs to the point where they either go, "oh," or they storm off with their heads about the explode.

You and me both. I thought it was just one of the joys of living in the inner city. Glad to see it happens to others as well.

On pO's original thought, I think people just love a lynchmob. Viscerally, it feels highly satisfactory in an instant gratification way.

Perhaps we could get a lynch mob to hand out parking tickets. That would be good clean fun.

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Misreading makes things funny

pO157.

Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 12:30:59 PM EST

none

The first time I read your post I thought you said you attended ACLU camp as a kid and I started to google it wondering why I missed out on all the fun.

That would be a crazy holiday camp. I'd buy that summer experience for a dollar.

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Re: Misreading makes things funny

port1080.

Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 12:39:50 PM EST

none

I can only imagine what that camp would be like...but it imagines like fun!

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Re: Perhaps a flawed comparison...

3fingerspointback.

Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 08:00:43 PM EST

none

Could the views be consistent, due to frustration?  After all, one could hear about dangerous child molesters, terrorists and other monsters all day long from watching the News, but what is the government doing to protect you from these threats in your own neighborhood?  It's giving you traffic tickets and weird "environmentalist" rules and other shit that's nowhere near as important as defusing that ticking time bomb at your kids' day care center.  So, they decide to make a difference themselves, go online, and round themselves up some hearsay.  I can't fault anyone who just wants to make a difference.

(is 3fingerspointback)

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Re: Perhaps a flawed comparison...

thefadd.

Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 05:38:03 PM EST

none

You can't?? By your own argument these people seem rather dull witted and not the kind of person we want doing what they're doing...allowing themselves to get emotionally riled up by the media and, unable to comprehend system of laws in place in our society, rushing to the streets with pitchforks and torches.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Perhaps a flawed comparison...

pO157.

Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 10:33:03 AM EST

none

Oh crap, make that "...generally does not go around labeling people "terrorists" or "sex offenders."

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