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TnT Classic Nuclear War Shelter: The opulent Greenbrier Hotel

pO157.

Posted to Etcetera on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 06:33:09 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

The Greenbrier Hotel's business plan used to be "Come for a vacation, stay for the end of the world."

Most hotels advertise how many presidents and dignitaries they have hosted over the years. Set in White Sulphur Springs, WV, the hotel has the distinction of being the only hotel to have had a standing reservation for the president and Congress should the unthinkable have happened. With a fake House and Senate chamber, as well as TV studios made up to allow lawmakers to appear to be broadcasting from Washington DC the Greenbrier was in a constant state of readiness until 1993 when it was outed by an investigative reporter.

After losing its lucrative job as a government shelter it was forced to spend all of its time catering to its original clientèle. Despite room rates going from $400 to $800 a night and opulence all around, many guests complained that there were few activities and for the rates they had to pay they could visit more exotic locales. Greenbrier soon brought in a CSX railroad executive to revamp the place after Mobil removed the hotel's coveted 5th star in 2000.  The new leader recently resigned, leaving the $50M renovation project in a state of upheaval.

Is the renovation project even necessary? According to one longtime guest, "They catered to a certain crowd, but now, sadly, that crowd is dying off, and you have a new crowd, and they have to cater to them, too. The new crowd expects things to change" and change they must.

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In other words...

port1080.

Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 08:49:52 AM EST

none

time for a government bailout! Start booking your 2009 reservations at the Robert Byrd Memorial Greenbrier Hotel...

Ce n'est pas une pipe. C'est une signature.

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Re: In other words...

pO157.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 12:11:43 PM EST

none

The rates for domestic (US) airfare from some cities are pretty high compared to popular international (Carribean or Central/South American) hotspots. That coupled with the desire for many younger Americans to see new and exciting things makes those weekends at the Jersey shore or weeklong vacations at domestic getaways like Catskill resorts or the Greenbrier hotel look dull and boring.

The only thing that may save the domestic tourism industry (since the current administration seems to be doing a good job of scaring away foreign tourists) is the falling US dollar which will make travel abroad more expensive.

Indirect government bailout due to shitty economic policy! How is that?

Spread it on!

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Nostalgia? You Decide

uncarved block.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 09:54:16 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

. . makes those weekends at the Jersey shore or weeklong vacations at domestic getaways like the Catskill resorts or the Greenbrier hotel look dull and boring.

    This makes me wonder to what degree the US has itself gotten a bit more boring, or at least is perceived that way by its citizens. The high point of domestic travel for entertainment started between the two world wars, with the affordable motor home, and continued well until . .  well, it hasn't necessarily stopped, at least if you're in a town like Tucson (as I am) where hordes of mobile homes of all stripes come to winter.
    Be that as it may, I wonder if there's just less variety to see as you travel around the nation. An easy place to pin the blame would be mass consumer culture; when the same roadside restaurants are in every state, there's a certain monotony to the terrain. Throw in similar styles nationally for new developments- how much variety is there in strip malls, really?- and there's not a whole lot to leave home for.
    Television can't be ignored, as at least some regional differences recede when everyone's watching Law and Order or American Idol. A more benign factor might be travel shows that highlight foreign locales, or only the most notable domestic ones. (Tourism in the Pacific northwest is pretty brisk, as is Alaska and, of course, Hawaii.) While there's always been an element of this*, television makes the perception more intense than words or photos ever could. How does the Oregon coast rate in contrast to the Irish or Scottish beaches? Hell if I know (I do rather like that stretch of land), but I do know that I'm ten times (at least) more likely to see the latter in a film or on a TV show. Eventually, the cost might even be irrelevant-- even if the domestic trip was cheaper, it might feel like "wasted money" if you could afford to travel abroad.
    Or maybe I should just go reread Blue Highways and reconsider this line of thought :)

   *Paul Fussell has written a couple essays about travel guides, and the business of travel guides. IIRC, there's a good one in Thank God For The Atom Bomb. There's a good chapter in a great book (Wartime) about the travel bug that bit Britons very hard after WWII, or at least the ones who could afford it.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Nostalgia? You Decide

zyxwvutsr.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:23:56 PM EST

none

Or maybe I should just go reread Blue Highways...
May I suggest River Horse instead?

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Heh

uncarved block.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:51:21 PM EST

none

   Yeah. Rethinking that line, I realize now how rhetorical was that statement. You'd think working in a book store would whet the appetite of a life time reader, but man, a lot of days the last thing I want to do after work is crack open a book. I'm stockpiling good books, and reading one or two (the history The Mirror is fairly good, at least for the first half) as I go. I'll give River Horse a look when I have a few moments at work, and see if it grabs me like I remember Blue Highways doing.
    And lest I sound too incurious: the store inventory has no data base of any kind, yet the book staff is expected to know what we have well enough to know what to buy from customers, as 97% of the merchandise comes from trading. Carrying around 300,000 titles in your head- or at least trying- is fairly exhausting mentally. (Sci-Fi alone is 10,000 books and about 6,000 titles, for example.) And it gets worse, but I won't bore you with the details. It's a good job, and lots of folks have way worse jobs, but the reality is turning out to be less appealing than old daydreams.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Nostalgia? You Decide

pO157.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:52:18 PM EST

none

I once got offered a job in Tucson. Didn't go because I couldn't handle the heat. It's hotter than balls there!

Anywho, I've driven across country twice so far. Best times I've ever had by far. Wouldn't trade it for the world, and I think it's something everybody should do at least once before they get married, graduate high school, insert significant life decision here.

Perhaps a favorite road trip story thread should be in the works?

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Fallout II

Lou.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 03:12:23 PM EST

none

The Greenbriar kind of reminds me of one of those places where the evil genius who killed the world would be hiding out and waiting for the story/game hero to come and open a can of whupass.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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No evil geniuses at the Greenbriar

MayorBob.

Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 09:58:19 AM EST

5.00 (informative, informative)

All the evil geniuses in the government, intent on world domination, got to this place -- Site R.  This is the "undisclosed location" that Dick Cheney goes to hide out whenever an evil plan is needed.

I know this place well.  Between 1969 and 1972, this was my office location.  Back then Site R was also known as the home of the Alternate National Military Command Center (ANMCC) and is a bomb-hardened underground command post.  When the nuclear flag would go up, ostensibly the national military command structure would leave unhardened locations like the Pentagon and the White House and take off for either the airborne command post or the ANMCC.  I served on an intelligence team at the ANMCC where we would essentially do caretaker chores most of the time.  During JCS exercises, we'd get augmented from the Pentagon and a number of high muckety mucks would show up.  It was during a JCS exercise I got to meet Vice President Spiro Agnew (who had a few hours to kill between taking bribes playing the president).  He went from serviceman to serviceman in the room, asking where we were from.  No matter where we were from, Agnew would respond with a lip-clenched muttering "that's great" and move on to the next guy.  My only other memory of the guy was he had a cold, clammy handgrasp and bad breath.

 

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: No evil geniuses at the Greenbriar

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 10:55:18 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

I know this place well
Hey, MAYOR, can you confirm that this is the place?

When I first read about the location of the undisclosed location, I poked around on Google until I found that spot. It seems to have all the characteristics of another underground lair I know about: roads that lead into the hillside, a hilltop structure with ventilation shafts, etc.

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Re: No evil geniuses at the Greenbriar

1fastdog.

Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:50:59 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

Hey, MAYOR, can you confirm that this is the place?

Yeah, that's the general location. I'm local to the area and it's one of those "open secret" things around here.

Somewhere in my soul, there's always Rock -n- Roll... Joe Strummer

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Re: No evil geniuses at the Greenbriar

pO157.

Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 05:40:19 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

Reminds me of the time I first discovered Google Earth. I was bored at work and followed the DMZ from the west coast of Korea all the way to the east.

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Re: No evil geniuses at the Greenbriar

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 06:20:14 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

I was bored at work and followed the DMZ from the west coast of Korea all the way to the east
It's a bit hard to follow the DMZ near the Yellow Sea because it runs nearly north-south rather than east-west as most folks would expect. (Or is it marked somehow in Google Earth?)

Anyway, I lived here for two years, where I could look out my window and see a rice paddy and a minefield. Interesting place. Except in the spring when they spread "nightsoil" on the paddies. Organic farming, dontcha know.

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Re: No evil geniuses at the Greenbriar

MayorBob.

Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 03:54:31 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

Yup, that's the place Ken.  For three years I lived and worked inside that hill, mountain, or whatever you want to call it, pulling three or four days shifts, with seven days between shifts.  It was a sweet assignment and preparation for duty in Korea where I pulled a year in the underground command room at United Nations Command at Yongsan.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: No evil geniuses at the Greenbriar

pO157.

Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:27:32 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

Did you bring it to his attention that his name was an anagram?

In all seriousness, what is the point of having these as survival sites if their locations are so public they have their own wikipedia pages? Come on. Or is it just that they don't think any nation-states will start with the US anymore, it'll all be lone wolf crazies or terrorist psychos?

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Re: No evil geniuses at the Greenbriar

thefadd.

Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 07:42:50 PM EST

none

I know they wanna be close to Washington but I would assume they've got to have something out there in Cheney's favorite state of Wyoming. It's nearly impossible to keep a secret in the open society we live in, even one as important as this. "Secret sight" after secret sight has been revealed going back to the '50s. But I'd put good money on there being an even more secret sight or sights out in the West were there's bigger mountains and more open space.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: No evil geniuses at the Greenbriar

MayorBob.

Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:48:29 AM EST

none

Don't know about any secret or not so secret facilities in Wyoming.  There are a few spots west of the Mississippi worthy of a visit from the stealth Vice President:

  1. During the height of the Cold War the Strategic Air Command (SAC) used to be home to and control all of the daily B-52 patrols flying around the Soviet Union from Offutt Air Force Base, outside of Omaha, Nebraska.  With the folding of the Soviet Union back in the 1990s, the need for all those bomber patrols ceased.  However, the facilities formerly used by SAC are now used by the US Strategic Command (USSTRATCOM).  USSTRATCOM today is the command center for all US missile forces.  This command location was one of the stops made by Bush after he was interrupted reading "My Pet Goat" back on September 11th, 2001.

  2.  Another vestige of the Cold War was the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) located at Cheyenne Mountain outside of Colorado Springs, Colorado.  NORAD is a joint US-Canadian organization and still monitors potential ballistic missile or bomber attacks against the North American continent.

  3.  There is, of course, Area 51 located in an isolated patch of Nevada desert.  This is not a hardened site, however it is an extremely secure facility.  It is reportedly where they house the UFO the USAF recovered from Roswell, New Mexico.  I have no information on whether Dick Cheney was one of the pilots of that UFO and, if I did know, they'd kill me if I said so.  

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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