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Scroogled: What If Google Was Evil?

logan.

Posted to SciTech on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:46:15 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

It's rare that a Science Fiction short story is actually scary, but Cory Doctorow's Scroogled is truly frightening. The premise is simple: what if Google were evil?

Google track everything, they save everything, and the cookie that they use to track your online activities won't expire until 2038. They offer everything from search to ads to applications to mapping, all of which is tracked and the data sent home to the mothership. Newest is Google Street View, which takes their obsessive data collection to a whole new level by offering searchable street-level image views. Predictably, they've captured some odd stuff.

Why aren't we scared by this? In Scroogled, Cory Doctorow poses a simple question: Why should we trust Google?. I pose a similar question: what if it was Microsoft that was collecting all this data? I think we'd be screaming that Bill Gates had gone too far. But since it's Google tracking everything, the reaction is "Cool!" What justification do we have for trusting Google? When you boil it down, it all comes down to the unofficial company motto: Don't Be Evil. We trust Google because they acknowledge that they could use their power for evil and promise not to. If that's the level of trust we have in corporate America, that we praise a company simply for claiming that they try not to be evil, we're setting the bar low.

So what if Google abandoned their promise? Even if we trust Sergey and Larry, someday they'll leave Google, and the motherload of data they've mined will be passed on to someone else. What then? What if they merged with Amazon, What if they followed Verizon and AT&T's lead and opened their archives to the NSA, the CIA, the FBI, the DEA, or the GOP? We have absolutely no oversight of Google, no recourse, and no legal right to examine the information they collect on us. Considering the rash of personal data leaks that plague us, how long before some bug exposes our data? Considering how one bizarre statement captured on video and posted on YouTube destroyed George Allen's Presidential hopes, imagine what would happen if this guy's search history was made public in October, 2036.

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by logan, Google, Do No Evil, Cory Doctorow (all tags)

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Genuine Curiosity

pO157.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 12:07:23 PM EST

none

If you flush the cookies off your computer after each use and change your IP regularly then what is the problem?

Could somebody explain this to me?

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Re: Genuine Curiosity

dgraham.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 01:55:13 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

Should we really expect people to need to do that, though? Should it be more "opt-in" and less "opt-out"?

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Re: Genuine Curiosity

pO157.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 02:39:06 PM EST

none

I agree, but I was just curious as to "how big of a deal" this really is.

Then again, I would imagine that many people are not as computer savvy as your average TnT user and who do not have Firefox set to dump cookies every time at exit. That would mean their tracking abilities are biased towards collecting usable personalized info on the less tech-savy or the naive.

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Re: Genuine Curiosity

wetkarma.

Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 06:02:03 AM EST

4.00 (informative)

Well you have a valid point that if you flush the cookies and go to a different IP then in theory your surfing history is not easily traced.

However, there are three factors which chip away at this. The first is of course that with most broadband connections your internet ip doesn't change all that regularly. So as an issue of data mining its easy to correlate cookie A with cookie B as coming from the same computer/network.

The second factor is that people are creatures of habit -- they check the same 10 or 20 websites, search for the same kinky sexy images etc. Given enough search terms/traffic, you can start drawing links from the search patterns themselves.

Finally - and this is the killer, with applications like gmail/personalized google web page etc, you are now logged in as an individual person under which you do your searches. It doesn't really matter if you delete the cookie since your identity login will connect the cookies together for google.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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There's More

logan.

Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 09:16:12 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant, brilliant, astute)

We can talk all we want about changing IPs and deleting cookies, but that won't help. The whole point is that the combination of the powers granted to Department of Homeland Security combined with Google's ability to track and organize data make for a deadly efficient combination. J. Edgar Hoover would giggle like a schoolgirl meeting Harry Potter at the candy store at the very prospect of having that much personal information on 75% of the American people.

Google tracks what ad was served to what account at what IP. Your ISP tracks what IP was assigned to what PC at a specific time (that's how the RIAA decides who to sue). You can delete your cookies and you can bounce from IP to IP by piggybacking on other people's Wifi, but the moment you log into an account that can be tied to you (like the ones we're using right now), all Homeland Security have to do is query the database. Are you carrying a cell phone? Your physical location is tracked by your cell provider any time your phone is on.

At the same time, let's remember that the Department of Homeland Security have an amazingly poor track record. They don't seem to be able to find any actual terrorists, just wannabes. They never seem to find any guns or bombs on airplanes, even plants sent through by DHS to test the system, so they settle for confiscating water bottles, nail clippers, and iPods. Then there's the Terrorist Watch List with 320,000 names of suspected terrorists and the No Fly List that includes Senator Ted Kennedy, the wife of Senator Ted "Series of Tubes" Stevens. How efficient do you think they'll be when the DHS has your entire life to peruse for "suspicious" behavior?

So what? You downloaded some porn and a few mp3s. You wanted to see if there really are recipes for nitroglycerin all over the internet like Bill O'Reilly says there is, so you googled it. You emailed someone about getting some weed for New Year's Eve back in '99. This isn't a matter of proving guilt or innocence in a criminal trial, it's National Security. They're looking for suspicious behavior. You don't actually have to have done anything. Consider the Miami Morons, who were so inept that they asked the FBI Informant to be their leader. They're being prosecuted as terrorists even though the most cursory examination of the facts shows that they weren't capable of blowing up a balloon.

From the story:

"Here's the deal: Airport DHS scrutiny is a gating function. It lets the spooks narrow down their search criteria. Once you get pulled aside for secondary at the border, you become a 'person of interest'--and they never, ever let up. They'll scan webcams for your face and gait. Read your mail. Monitor your searches."

"I thought you said the courts wouldn't let them..."

"The courts won't let them indiscriminately Google you. But after you're in the system, it becomes a selective search. All legal. And once they start Googling you, they always find something. All your data is fed into a big hopper that checks for 'suspicious patterns,' using deviation from statistical norms to nail you."

Greg felt like he was going to throw up. "How the hell did this happen? Google was a good place. 'Don't be evil,' right?" That was the corporate motto, and for Greg, it had been a huge part of why he'd taken his computer science Ph.D. from Stanford directly to Mountain View.

Maya replied with a hard-edged laugh. "Don't be evil? Come on, Greg. Our lobbying group is that same bunch of crypto-fascists that tried to Swift-Boat Kerry. We popped our evil cherry a long time ago."

If you look long and hard enough at anyone's past you'll find something suspicious. If they have their entire life at your disposal, you can bet Homeland Security will find something to freak out about. And if you do something to merit attention, say, by telling the Vice President to go fuck himself, you can bet you'll be a "person of interest" for a long time.

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things.

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Re: Genuine Curiosity

logan.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 01:55:48 PM EST

none

Cookies can always be flushed. The thing is, people don't do it. When I do maintenance on my parents' PC I always find that the cookies haven't been cleared since the last time I cleared them. Realize that most people know less about their computers than they do about their cars. That's why people open attachments, fall for phishing scams, and use Internet Explorer. Until recently, cookies had a certain expiration date, after which they would stop gathering information. Since Google started setting their cookie to expire in 2038, other companies have followed suit.

Personally, I'd like to see an option in Firefox to auto-clear cookies weekly. Until that happens (or until I can figure out how to script that in perl), I'll just have to remember to do it manually.

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things.

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Re: 2 Extensions No Firefox User Should Be Without

zyxwvutsr.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 02:31:15 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

  1. Permit Cookies - Set Firefox not to accept cookies, and this handy extension easily allows you to manage exceptions. A little "C" icon in the status bar gives access to simple "Allow / Session / Block / Remove" options. It doesn't clear all cookies automatically, but it makes it easy to browse the internet without accepting cookies willy-nilly.

  2. NoScript - Although this discussion is about maintaining privacy from the operators of websites, a bigger concern is vulnerabilities from cross site scripting (XSS) attacks that target cookies. NoScript prevents XSS attacks. You also benefit from blocking the (mostly unnecessary) Javascript nonsense that so many sites use these days. NoScript allows you to whitelist the sites where you need to use scripting to get useful things done.

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Re: Genuine Curiosity

thefadd.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 02:09:51 PM EST

none

Firefox 2.0.0.7 (My current version) -->Tools-->Options-->Privacy-->Cookies-->Keep until: I close Firefox. Also-->Tools-->Options-->Privacy-->Private Data-->Always clear my private data when I close Firefox. Additionally, it's not difficult to make the choice to have an ISP that at least nominally respects your privacy a la Earthlink.

Personally, I'm tired of the nanny state and don't want to do anything additional to "ensure" google's theoretical state of double plus unevilness. It's an open market (right now). Demand the market stays open, reward those politicians who will keep the market open and reward those companies within the market that provide the services you want. Google may go evil but I've still got Earthlink I can use as an ISP and non-microsoft options for my own software. That diversity allows you to mitigate risk and time to turn to other options should one of your service providers go in a direction you dislike.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Genuine Curiosity

thefadd.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 02:14:37 PM EST

none

Well, some people use gmail. Also, google is collecting a lot of information that is extremely valuable even when not tied to individuals--search algorithms, google earth, etc. In these cases, though, all they're really doing is collecting information that is already freely available and it's hard to come up with a reason why we should stand in the way of that. Theoretically, in a market society, somebody she see their success and try to copy it, thus making them less singularly powerful.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Genuine Curiosity

pO157.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 02:43:33 PM EST

none

Theoretically, in a market society, somebody she see their success and try to copy it, thus making them less singularly powerful.

Copy it and create your own search engine? That takes too much time. Eh, here's what you're gonna do.

Create a plugin that hooks into IE, firefox, or whatever and runs while the browser is open. In addition to dumping the cookies every time the browser shuts off it intermittently fires off queries to google in the background using random dictionary words and phrases.

Distribute it to enough people and you've poison-pilled their database. Happy Christmas!

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Re: Scroogled: What If Google Was Evil?

Lou.

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 09:35:19 PM EST

none

Google isn't evil anymore more than Capitalism is evil.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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The plot thickens?

Lou.

Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 09:04:30 AM EST

none

It appears that Google wants to buy DoubleClick.

Meanwhile, Microsoft is trying to block the deal because it would give Google unfair (coff) dominance in online advertising.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: The plot thickens?

permazorch.

Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 11:47:59 AM EST

none

If the option to mod your latest comment as +5 fucking scary/creepy had been available, I'd have done just that, but instead, here's another comment. End.

----- I, for one, renounce our insect overlords!

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