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Oil... but I don't mean Petroleum

skeeter1.

Posted to Etcetera on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 10:23:24 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Lately I've been spending lots of time in the kitchen, and have been experimenting with various cooking oils.  Here's what I've learned:

Extra-virgin olive oil:  The best for cold things like salads that need the delicate flavor.  Not all that great for frying.

Peanut oil:  Great for frying, very-high flash point.  Heat the wok up until it's smoking and you're ready to start.

Corn oil and generic "vegetable oil" just don't do much for me.  Neither good in salads or all that good for cooking.

Canola oil, a variation on rapeseed oil:  Not for me, thanks.  I rubbed it on some potatoes and put them in a 400 degree oven for an hour (what I always do), and it turned into varnish and practically ruined one of my favorite stainless-steel baking pans.

A smidgen of toasted sesame oil and chili oil are essential for Chinese cooking, which I do a lot of.

We always carried some Crisco shortening when I went camping as a kid.  It travels well (can't spill) and lasts on the shelf for years.

My grandmothers used to buy suet and render their own lard for cooking.  I haven't had the guts to try that just yet, but they made great food and lived to very old ages (80's and 90's), so maybe they were onto something.

Anyone else have any other favorites that we should try?

I've been experimenting with vinegars, too, but that will wait for another discussion.

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Re: Oil... but I don't mean Petroleum

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 11:45:24 AM EST

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Grape seed oil has become rather popular recently. It supposedly has some of the same health benefits as olive oil, yet it has a fairly high smoke point, 420 degrees fahrenheit, which is just a little lower than peanut oil so it's good for frying. It tastes a little like light olive oil (not extra-virgin) and it's therefore excellent as a base for salad dressings or mayonnaise.

Your point about canola oil* is something that I've experienced as well. It is not well-suited for very hot frying, but it is fine for sauteing, sweating onions, etc. It also has the lowest saturated fat content of any of the common cooking oils. That fact and canola's low cost make it good for deep frying if you're concerned about saturated fat. (I'm not sure why someone concerned about saturated fat would be eating deep fried foods, but still.)

Safflower oil is available in any decent supermarket, and has the highest smoke point of any common cooking oil (over 500 degrees). I would use safflower oil for wok cooking rather than peanut oil.

I have a couple different kinds of sesame oil at home. Because of its unique flavor, which ranges from peanut-butter-like to smoky and earthy, there really isn't any substitute for sesame oil. Although there are refined sesame oils with a somewhat higher smoke point than regular sesame oil, I don't see much point in using them since better alternatives are available. Sesame oil is strictly for flavoring food during or after cooking, and is almost entirely unsuitable for any type of frying. (I have seen TV cooking shows where they used unrefined sesame oil for frying a particular dish, but that makes me question the chef's competence.)



* The writeup says that canola is a "variation on rapeseed oil," but, to be somewhat pedantic, that's not exactly right. Canola is made from rapeseeds, though it comes from a variety of rape plant specifically bred (in Canada) to be low in erucic acid. The word "canola" is an acronym that means Canadian Oil, Low Acid.

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even olive oil

thefadd.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 03:05:58 PM EST

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You lose the health benefits of the oils once you cook them. At that point, it just becomes a matter of which is less bad for you.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Coconut Oil

doom4rent.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 02:07:26 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

90% saturated, ridiculously high smoking point... and useful as a skin moisturizer or, in a pinch, sexual lubricant.

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tossed salads and scrambled eggs

gerrymander.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 11:37:16 AM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Walnut oil, on a bed of arugula, with crumbled blue cheese and croutons. Enough said.

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Crisco Consumption

keta.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:12:03 PM EST

4.00 (funny, brilliant)

A short video on the institution that uses more Crisco than anyone else, and what they use it for.

Bad language alert, and most definitely not for the easily offended.

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Singing the praises of lard

joshv.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 10:32:28 AM EST

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I have to say, lard is the king of all fats.  I've never rendered a slab of hog fat, but I jealously guard my store of filtered bacon grease, which is close enough.  I happen to live a pretty low carb lifestyle, and don't believe that saturated fats are bad for you, so I use my improvised store of lard for just about everything - eggs, baking, pan frying.  I've never found an oil that beats it at high temperatures.

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Re: Singing the praises of lard

skeeter1.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 11:07:13 AM EST

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Yes, I too have a small tub of rendered bacon fat that I keep in my freezer.  Nothing beats it for frying eggs or hash-browns.  Besides, you get to eat the bacon!  Heck, there are even cookbooks dedicated to cooking with it.

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Re: Oil... but I don't mean Petroleum

rEvolution inAction.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 01:25:52 PM EST

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Extra-Virgin olive oil for everything. It's the only oil.

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Re: Oil... but I don't mean Petroleum

thefadd.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 02:14:56 PM EST

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If you have to cook in oil, coconut's the healthiest. I no longer use oil to cook, although I do still drink some of the organic extra virgin with a lemon.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Oil... but I don't mean Petroleum

rEvolution inAction.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 08:29:33 PM EST

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Health? all I care about is taste.

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No love for butter & margarine?

port1080.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 03:05:38 PM EST

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I use extra virgin olive oil and standard vegetable oil for various oil frying needs and for basting things I'm going to grill, but for pan frying I generally go with butter or margarine, depending on the flavor I'm going for. For eggs I usually go with margarine, ditto fried potatoes. Butter is better for some vegetables and maybe for potatoes, depending on how I'm making them. Health reasons aside, is there a reason why you would use oil or lard instead of butter/margarine when making those items?

Ce n'est pas une pipe. C'est une signature.

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Re: No love for butter & margarine?

skeeter1.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 03:53:43 PM EST

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"Health reasons aside, is there a reason why you would use oil or lard instead of butter/margarine when making those items?"

Cooking properties and taste come to mind.  Lard (particularly bacon fat) makes the best fried eggs and fried potatoes.  Butter, as much as I like it, isn't good for squat it you're stir-frying in a 500 degree wok -- the smoking point is much to low, and the milk solids burn.  Maybe I should try making some Indian ghee.  I do use margarine occasionally, but there's some controversy about which butter vs. margarine is better.  (Disclosure: I used to work at Cleveland Clinic).  

Given the choice, I'd probably opt for butter, but margarine lasts so much longer in my fridge (the butter goes rancid in about a month) that I always keep some on hand.

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Re: No love for butter & margarine?

port1080.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:18:28 PM EST

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Lard (particularly bacon fat) makes the best fried eggs and fried potatoes *shrug* - I've had those done in lard, and I prefer them done in margarine, personally. I tend to fry things on relatively low heat, though, which is probably at least in part why I haven't run into too many issues...

Ce n'est pas une pipe. C'est une signature.

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Re: No love for butter & margarine?

PenitenziAgite.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:22:42 PM EST

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You can make your own clarified butter, which is excellent for all kinds of sautee tasks.  Removing the solids makes all the difference.  Melt butter to a nice runny liquid, and render off the solids as they rise to the top.

You can also make ghee at home, but you have to watch it the whole time.  If you scorch it, it's ruined.  Basically, take some unsalted butter (always use unsalted for cooking), and heat at medium-high heat.  It will foam at first, but stir constantly to keep it down.   Try to keep it at a low boil.   Eventually, this will subside.  Continue to cook and stir it, until you begin to hear a crackling sound.  This is the water being cooked out.  Cook until the crackling ceases, and then immediately remove from the heat and pour into a glass or ceramic container.  It freezes well, and if refrigerated, will keep for a long time.  It will keep for 2-3 months if left at room temperature.

This stuff is excellent for all kinds of browning and sauteeing, and you really can't cook some Indian dishes without it, like Chicken Makhanwala (Butter Chicken).  

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Re: No love for butter; margarine?

skeeter1.

Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:26:38 AM EST

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"Basically, take some unsalted butter (always use unsalted for cooking)"

You know, I've heard the same thing about unsalted butter about a bazillion times on the PBS cooking shows, but then they always go and add salt to the recipe.  Maybe they want more control on how salted the food is, but I generally reach for Land O'Lakes salted butter.  It doesn't have all that much sodium, and my blood pressure is usually too low anyway, so a little extra salt isn't going to kill me.  Besides, I love the taste of salt.  When I shop for pretzels, I always look for the saltiest ones.

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Re: No love for butter; margarine?

PenitenziAgite.

Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 02:22:07 PM EST

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I am not concerned with salt for any health reasons, since no one in my house has hypertension.  I prefer the 'pure' flavor of unsalted butter, and when I cook, I prefer to add salt to taste.  It's a matter of preference.  

Use it or not for regular cooking, but if you're going to prepare your own ghee, you must use unsalted butter.

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Since we're talking cooking oil

thefadd.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:17:08 PM EST

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Here's a decent break down of pans. I finally ditched my "non-stick" pans that routinely chipped in exchange for some stainless steel cookware that I got for christmas.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Since we're talking cooking oil

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 06:49:24 PM EST

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Despite the nonsense that webpage leads with (restaurants cook on high? pfft - he needs to spend some time in a restaurant kitchen) , every kitchen should have at least one nonstick pan. There is no better way to cook eggs and a number of other foods.

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Re: Since we're talking cooking oil

skeeter1.

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 10:02:06 PM EST

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"a decent break down of pans. I finally ditched my "non-stick" pans that routinely chipped in exchange for some stainless steel cookware that I got for christmas."

Great point.  I've got all of them.  Cast iron, enameled cast iron, stainless steel, and non-stick aluminum.  They all have their place in my kitchen.  Given my druthers, I'd probably opt for the plain cast iron, but they do require a bit more care than the others.  I've never run one through the dishwasher, because I just have a feeling that would be a bad idea.

My woks have silverstone coating (yeah, a teflon variant, I know) and I'd rather have a carbon-steel wok, but they don't work very well on an electric stove.  Thats the price I pay for living in an "all electric" home.  Well, at least I don't have to worry about having a CO detector.

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Re: Since we're talking cooking oil

skeeter1.

Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 01:51:31 PM EST

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"I finally ditched my "non-stick" pans that routinely chipped in exchange for some stainless steel cookware that I got for christmas."

I have to agree.  I'm still using some copper-bottom stainless-steel pans and pots, Revereware that I got from my mom.  She got them as a wedding present in 1948.  After 60 years, they still work well.  We've sure gotten plenty of use out of them.  They're a little harder to clean than teflon-lined aluminum, but they last forever (at least in my lifetime).  

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Re: Since we're talking cooking oil

Shy Elf.

Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 07:21:33 AM EST

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I'm impressed.  60 years without getting distracted and letting them burn up.  Well, actually I have one nearly that old, but in general they don't tend to last quite that long.  I tend to go for cast iron.  If you forget it it smokes off the coating and you have to reseason it, but that thing will glow cherry red without getting damaged.

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Shy Elf.

Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 07:50:09 AM EST

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Cast iron pan question

Lou.

Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 12:45:31 PM EST

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My cast iron skillet (seasoned as per instructions) has an overall flat black coating inside the pan itself.  Is that how it should look or did I screw up somewhere?

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Cast iron pan question

skeeter1.

Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 01:59:46 PM EST

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No, you're doing just fine.  My cast-iron skillets are 50+ years old and black as coal, but they work just fine.  Once in a while they need to be re-seasoned with a bit of oil, and I only hand-wash those pans.  I just have this feeling (perhaps unfounded) that the dish washing machine would ruin them.  

One of them was my grandmother's, possibly my great grandmother's, probably approaching 100yrs old now.  Still, there's no better pan for making a good grilled cheese sandwich.  

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Re: Cast iron pan question

zyxwvutsr.

Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:27:51 PM EST

none

My cast iron skillet (seasoned as per instructions) has an overall flat black coating inside the pan itself.  Is that how it should look or did I screw up somewhere?
If you screwed up you would either have a sticky pan or a rusty pan. Anything else is awesome.

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