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Draft X!

Steve Urkel.

Posted to Politics on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 09:59:35 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

If nominated I will not run. If elected I will serve - your ass like John McEnroe.

A recent survey revealed over 86% of Americans would, given the chance, vote 'None of the above' in the upcomin election (the highest level of dissastisfaction with presidential candidates in recorded human history). And who can blame them? The people running aren't much to get excited about.

So in your ideal world, who would you like to see running for President? Maybe it's a retired politician, maybe it's someone who is not a politician at all, like a scientist, academic, poet, Mixed Martial Artist or CEO.

For the sake of discussion, let's restrict suggestions to living people who are actually elegible.

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Draft George!

novy.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:59:18 PM EST

5.00 (interesting, funny, brilliant)

George Clooney.

American people like actors to lead them, and presidents mostly just act anyway.

US President automatically becomes celebrity, so you might as well pick someone who knows how to handle it.

Most important skill in any president: must be media savvy. Clooney would know how anything would play in Peoria.

Any women he screwed in White House would make America proud. No fat women, no unknowns.

He would get US out of Iraq.

He would inspire people, mostly by hiring really good speech writers.

He would make US feel virile even without having to invade any place.

He would hire most competent and best known people for every job, since he would expect them to do everything for him.

I like liberals.

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Better still

Lou.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 08:07:50 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

Well, if we're going for the celebrity demographic then I say the obvious choice is Martin Sheen.  He's had White House and war experience.  He can be tough, but sensitive as well.  He's politically savvy.  Granted, he might not be a pretty as Clooney, but none of our presidents were really that good looking so Martin would fit right in.

I can't argue with your logic...but I can recommend a good therapist

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Re: Better still

novy.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 09:07:29 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Judging from Barack Obama, 2008 will be JFK's year, and so pretty will be important, and Clooney's been in better liberal movies lately.

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Re: Better still

Shy Elf.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 02:42:01 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

The three actors that always come up when this question is asked are George Clooney, Martin Sheen and Harrison Ford.  There aren't a whole lot to choose from.  I mean, do you really want John Travolta running the country?  How about Tom Cruise?  And why did Fred Thompson fizzle this year?  What could go wrong with a guy who plays a prosecutor?

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Re: Better still

keta.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 04:20:43 PM EST

4.00 (funny)

Bog's bloated balls, imagine the swift boating if Sheen did run.  (That he was in a movie about Vietnam and not in the actual war itself wouldn't matter at all to those fact-fuckers.)

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Re: Better still

PenitenziAgite.

Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:27:12 PM EST

4.50 (funny)

Worked for Reagan.

sierra tango foxtrot uniform

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Joe Montana

thefadd.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:20:34 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant, interesting)

He's a natural leader, obviously intelligent, relatively nice to look at and no one has any idea what his politics are. I think this is an absolutely fantastic idea and The Terminator has shown that former celebs (who have at least a modicum of intelligence) make decent politicos precisely because of their lack of related experience. He's forced to cross the aisle and forge new alliances because he didn't have the usual strings attached coming in. I disagree with a lot of what The Guvna has done but there's something refreshing about the "I've never experienced this before" approach he takes. By the time he gets to the White House in 2012, he'll have too many attachments and this will have worn off. But in the mean time, it's as close to putting a "Regular Joe" in office as you can get. Back to Montana, he comes off as soft spoken and diplomatic but you know he's gotta be able to put the hammer down when he needs to. Who could beat a "Regular Joe" for President campaign?

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Eligible, yet not quite Electable

Acefantastik.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 04:07:51 AM EST

5.00 (interesting, interesting)

I am among the fans of Mayor Bloomberg, and would cheerfully vote for him if he chose to run against Senator Hillary Clinton--mind you, I'm not particularly enthralled with the other two remaining candidates, but since I doubt Mayor Bloomberg would enter a race against Senator Obama or Senator Edwards, I haven't really thought about favoring him over them. Here are some constitutionally-eligible and (in my opinion) qualified candidates for you---all completely non-electable in today's media ethos.

George Herbert Walker Bush. Hey, he's still allowed one more term, and I suppose his presidency will hold up against the record of his "historical" peers (Nixon through present) Cons: He's old, his name is George Bush, and he helped elevate the careers of many of the folks currently reviled within this administration.

John Roberts. There is nothing in the Constitution preventing a sitting United States Chief Justice from throwing down the gauntlet and running for president. This idea has been explored, but alas, this is the best link I could come up with. Pros: He's pretty young, telegenic, and (for conservatives) is pretty sure to have a hand in some coming Supreme Court victories for the right. Cons: his hand in those victories for the right will be spun as being politically partisan instead of impartial and judicious.

Bill Gates: Pros: Knows business, international relations, and humanitarian concerns. Cons: associated with evil. Widely reviled even by people who aren't sure why they hate him.

Rob Reich: Pros: pretty good and politically astute Secretary of Labor in 1st Clinton term. Cons: hasn't done well in limited attempts at electoral politics. Also, he's very short. Short guys get made fun of. At least Zombie James Madison is waiting in hell for every short joke wags and pundits crack.

Frances Wilson. Pros: High ranking Marine with an impressive resume. authorized to jump out of planes. A seemingly formidable candidate based on accolades. Cons: I'm not positive that the current US political climate would be warm to a serving officer standing for a partisan office--she would be forced to answer hot button social questions which would instantly alienate a large portion of her potential electorate, no matter which way she leaned. I also think the American appetite for a military president is on a downswing--Powell and Schwarzkopf had 15 minutes of presidential-material fame, but I'm not sure that any of the new officers are that beloved--Petraeus maybe, if he tidies up Iraq, but Casey and Abizaid don't seem like they would charm the electorate. I'm sure I'm forgetting some other notable officers who get C-span face time, so if anyone else can think of an active duty officer who would make a dashing candidate, let me know.

Dennis Kucin--oh wait, nevermind.

Tiger Woods. Isn't that what is happening already? Pros: hottest 1st lady* since Angelica Singleton Van Buren. Cons: would lose popular votes from hippies due to his failure to stop child slavery in all its forms.

*fun fact--one does not have to be married to the president to be the First Lady. Has anyone considered that Hillary could conceivably appoint Chelsea instead of Bill as the official hostess for events at the White House?

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Re: Eligible, yet not quite Electable

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:10:58 AM EST

5.00 (interesting, interesting)

...I doubt Mayor Bloomberg would enter a race against Senator Obama or Senator Edwards...
When the first serious mention of a Bloomberg/Hagel  campaign was in the news, the rumors were that he would sit it out if it ended up being McCain or Thompson on the Republican side versus Clinton or Obama on the Democratic side. Leaks from someone close to Bloomberg indicated that the most likely pairing that would prompt him to run would be Edwards versus Huckabee because both of those candidates represent fringe policies that would be dangerous to the nation.

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After Looking Near And Far

uncarved block.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 07:34:18 PM EST

5.00 (funny, brilliant)

and high and low, across every ban and every borough, the answer was blindingly obvious: ME.

     What? It worked for Dick Cheney.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Somebody's gonna say it, so I'll say it first...

port1080.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 10:16:32 AM EST

4.33 (funny, funny, funny)

Al Gore

'nuff said.

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Al Gore

skeptic.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 12:44:18 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

Al Gore would indeed seem to be an obvious choice.  I think that there is no more respected figure in American politics today.  And perhaps that may be why he isn't running.  He may fear that he can't live up to the very high expectations that people would have for him.  Indeed, anyone who is elected President this year is going to face a horrendously difficult challenge.  

Given that Gore isn't running, I still think that Dennis Kucinich would be a good choice, although it seems that most of the American electorate doesn't agree with me.

I might also nominate MayorBob but I have already discovered that he does not aspire to higher office.  He is content with an honorary mayoralty.

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Re: Al Gore

zyxwvutsr.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 01:34:42 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

I still think that Dennis Kucinich would be a good choice...
I suppose you're unaware that,

  1. Kucinich is friends with Shirley MacLaine. And, as strange as that makes him,

  2. Kucinich's economic policy proposals are utterly unrealistic and demonstrate that he has a fundamental disconnect with reality.

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Re: Al Gore

MC Nally.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 02:04:27 PM EST

4.66 (brilliant, funny, brilliant)

Kucinich's economic policy proposals are utterly unrealistic and demonstrate that he has a fundamental disconnect with reality.
Well thank goodness Bush is in charge, then!

P.S.  Be sure to let us know where to send your $800 check..

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Re: Al Gore

zyxwvutsr.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:20:30 PM EST

3.00 (illiterate, astute)

Please see the rules in the writeup: Bush is constitutionally ineligible to run for president.

Also, if your only response to a mention of Kucinich's wacky leftist platform is to snark about Bush, I'll take that as an indication that you agree that Kucinich is a wingnut.

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Re: Al Gore

MC Nally.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 11:11:03 PM EST

4.50 (astute, interesting)

Also, if your only response to a mention of Kucinich's wacky leftist platform is to snark about Bush, I'll take that as an indication that you agree that Kucinich is a wingnut.
I certainly don't support his candidacy (or apparently ex-candidacy, if a headline I skimmed this afternoon was correct.)

My point was that having an unrealistic economic plan is certainly not an absolute bar to achieving the presidency, though having a plan that people find unbelievable might be.

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Re: Al Gore

Acefantastik.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 02:39:54 AM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Kucinich's economic policy proposals are utterly unrealistic and demonstrate that he has a fundamental disconnect with reality.

So were Bill Clinton's.  However, he had Robert Reich and a GOP led Congress to help him along to prosperity.  

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Re: Al Gore

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:04:28 AM EST

4.00 (funny, interesting)

So were Bill Clinton's
I don't think the two are comparable.* From Clinton we got,
We believe in free enterprise and the power of market forces...We will make the R&D tax credit permanent, double basic research in the key technologies for our future, and create a civilian research agency to fast-forward their development
From Kucinich, on the other hand,
We can fuel domestic steel production and consumption by rebuilding our nation's infrastructure with American made steel, utilizing the productive capacity of our mills
That is a huge difference: Clinton looked ahead to the information economy and Kucinich is looking backwards to the heyday of America's heavy industry. Another strong contrast is the Clinton gave us NAFTA whereas Kucinich wants to cancel NAFTA. Clinton said, "We will strongly support our civilian space program," while Kucinich says, "The industrial hemp plant has a surprising number and variety of uses."




 * They did have a couple things in common, perhaps most notably language promising to 'stick it to the rich' by making them 'pay their fair share.' But that's more a sop to the ignorant poor than an actual economic policy.

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Re: Al Gore

Shy Elf.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 01:50:15 PM EST

4.00

The heavy industry sector is currently booming due to the low dollar.

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Re: Al Gore

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 01:57:13 PM EST

4.00

Yeah? Where are the steel mills that are now producing with their previously unused capacity?

(Don't bother to answer: it was a trick question. I know where the under-used mills are.)

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Steel

Shy Elf.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 02:30:11 PM EST

4.00 (interesting, interesting)

No, we haven't made up for decades of losses overnight.  But with the dollar this low the US is already already a low cost labor country.  Something has to pay pay for all that oil.  Profits are back already.

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Re: Steel

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 02:33:29 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

Did you read the story you linked to? Do you know what "leaner operations" means? (Hint: it's not what Kucinich had in mind.)

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Re: Al Gore

skeptic.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:31:51 AM EST

4.00 (funny)

I actually am not in complete agreement with Dennis Kucinich on all issues, but nonetheless I agree more closely with him than with any other candidate, although as of now he has dropped out and is no longer a candidate.  The only person who has the exact same political opinions as I do on all issues would be myself, but alas, my chances of getting elected are even worse than those of Dennis Kucinich.

I can forgive Kucinich for being friends with Shirley MacLaine, as long as he doesn't go off the deep end and strike up a friendship with Tom Cruise.

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Re: Somebody's gonna say it, so I'll say it first.

delete me.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:38:22 AM EST

3.80 (funny, brilliant, informative)

The last time Al Gore ran for president, it caused me to vote for the dipshit that's currently in office instead. Talk about a lose-lose election year.

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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Fred Thompson

profwhat.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 11:35:17 AM EST

4.00 (funny, astute)

A recent survey revealed over 86% of Americans would, given the chance, vote 'None of the above' in the upcomin election

I maintain that this explains the bizarre Fred Thompson campaign.  Fred Thompson was at his highest in the polls, it seems, before he entered the race.  At that point, he was "none of the above."  Saying you wanted to vote for him was a way of expressing disappointment with the Republicans in the field.  Once Thompson made the crucial error of actually announcing he was a candidate, it all went to pieces for him.

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I remember when the front page had standards

Steve Urkel.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 01:01:11 PM EST

4.00 (astute, interesting, interesting)

A CEO. It's curious how our society is arranged in a way that CEOs aren't in the mix for the Presidency, even though Ross Perot did quite well despite being insane, and even though running a large multinational corporation would seem to provide a much better background than, say, being governor of Arkansas or a Senator.

Judge Richard Posner. He's unelectable on the grounds of being a bald man who seems to have Aspergers syndrome, but he is an interesting, perceptive thinker. he's knowledgable on a wide variety of subjects and he's able to entertain and evaluate others opinions. As judge he doesn't abuse his power.

Lieutenant Colonel John Nagl. He's young, smart (Doctorate in Philosophy from Oxford, helped write the Army's counterinsurgency manual), and he can drive a tank (he led a tank batallion in Operation Desert Storm and was operations officer of a tank battalion task force in Operation Iraqi Freedom). How cool would that be if the President drove himself around in tank? Say we decided to crush Toronto with tanks - he could lead the charge himself.

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Re: CEOs

zyxwvutsr.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:45:33 PM EST

4.33 (astute, interesting, interesting)

Maybe we'll get very lucky and Michael Bloomberg will run. I'd vote for him above any other candidate currently in the race.

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Re: CEOs

Steve Urkel.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:27:35 PM EST

3.00

I can't get past his hostility to smoking, so I've never really looked at him. What makes him so appealing to you?

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Re: CEOs

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 01:16:32 PM EST

4.33 (informative, interesting, informative)

Like the current president, Bloomberg has a MBA from Harvard. Unlike the current president, he actually put his to good use, founding a company that was a key part of the information economy even before anyone noticed that we had an information economy. Because of the nature of that business, Bloomberg is one of the world's foremost experts on financial markets and information technology. If you can find a video of him talking about his company it's clear that he is not a hands-off CEO who got lucky and struck it rich and now lets others run his empire for him. Also, if you get to hear him talk at length about business it is obvious that he is extremely intelligent.

His stewardship of New York City has been low-key, but inspired and wise, I think, and it was exactly what was needed at the time. He took over as mayor of New York, as you may recall, in the wake of 9/11, and did a fantastic job not only leading the recovery from the attack, but driving prudent fiscal policies through the city council.

Bloomberg is nominally a Republican, but is fiscally conservative and socially liberal, and was a Democrat before he decided to run for office. Because of that I don't think he's ideologically beholden to either party, and I see that as a big plus.

Compare Bloomberg to the other candidates who have executive experience (I think only Huckabbe and Romney now that Richardson has withdrawn): Bloomberg L.P. has a larger budget than Arkansas, and New York City has both a larger budget and population than Massachusetts.

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Re: CEOs

Steve Urkel.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 01:24:05 PM EST

3.00 (astute)

Interesting, thanks.  

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Re: I remember when the front page had standards

pO157.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 01:46:12 PM EST

4.00 (interesting, astute)

How cool would that be if the President drove himself around in tank? Say we decided to crush Toronto with tanks - he could lead the charge himself.

It would be cool to have a President lead from the front! Such a nice change from someone who lounges around his ranch on permanent vacation after sending our troops off on a jingoistic "preemptive" war for fraudulent reasons while doing everything he can to alienate our allies, empty the national treasury, ruin any goodwill left in the world towards us, and casually speaks about kicking off World War III while trying to build a case for opening up another disastrous front which the armed forces are ill prepared to handle.

Yeah, I went there.

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Re: I remember when the front page had standards

keta.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 04:14:36 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

CEO presidency?   You're soaking in it.

Oh, and please ensure the Maple Leafs are in town before the tanks roll in.

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Re: I remember when the front page had standards

Degee.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 01:08:52 PM EST

3.50 (funny, funny)

Say we decided to crush Toronto with tanks

yes, please

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Re: I remember when the front page had standards

doom4rent.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 01:57:35 PM EST

3.50 (funny, funny)

If you do... please let me know in advance.

2 months notice would be preferable.

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Re: Draft X!

delete me.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:47:29 AM EST

4.00 (funny)

I'd like Paul Tsongas.*

Or how about Howard Dean?

Or maybe even Jack Kemp?

I swear these caucuses and primaries are solely meant to weed out the best candidates.

*Yes, yes. He's dead now.

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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He never had a chance

pO157.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:12:21 PM EST

4.50 (funny, funny)

My mom, who only picks people in the primary who end up flaming out horribly later on was an extremely fervent supporter of Mr. Tsongas. Because of this I believe Barack is done. Nobody knows it yet, though.

At least Paul's supporters and relatives can take comfort he achieved immortality in the semi-obscure Homer Simpson authored tune:

"Come on, everybody,
have sexual congress
Not the kind of congress that contains Paul Tsongas!"

(which is a good thing, because I imagine there were not many takers willing to hook up with the Senator)

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Re: Draft X!

skeeter1.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 01:54:40 AM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Oh well, my favorite candidate, Dennis Kucinich, just gave up the ghost.  It would have been fun if he'd gotten to run against Ron Paul.  The rest of the candidates are far less interesting.

there's only one way to find out...

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Re: Draft X!

skeeter1.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:55:04 PM EST

4.00 (funny, astute)

"I'm talking getting behind the candidacy of Oprah Winfrey!  You go girlfriend!!!"

Ewww.  MayorBob, I know your joking, but the mere thought of that makes me want to puke.  Who would she nominate for cabinet positions?  Dr. Phil?  Dr. Oz?  Gail King?  

Yes, Okra has built quite an empire and lots of money off of the mentally-challenged people (me being one of them on occasion) who watch her show, but the thought of her running for prez is going to give me nightmares.  

there's only one way to find out...

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Re: Draft X!

Shy Elf.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 02:31:52 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Oprah would be interesting.  She's actually quite smart, despite her lowest-common-denominator tastes.  At least I'd watch the debates.

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Re: Draft X!

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 02:35:33 PM EST

3.66 (funny, informative, astute)

I saw Oprah on the PBS special about her genealogy. When she was told she wasn't of Zulu heritage as she had always thought, she was shocked. Shocked, I tell you!

"Smart" isn't a word I would use to describe her.

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Furious lean Ikeas creep dolorously

Steve Urkel.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 03:24:45 PM EST

4.00 (funny, interesting)

I'm dissapointed none of you nominated Chomsky.

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Re: Furious lean Ikeas creep dolorously

Acefantastik.

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 06:44:50 PM EST

3.50 (informative, funny)

That's because Howard Zinn is the clear choice of left leaning America haters.

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I'm Old Enough To Remember The SLA.

MayorBob.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 10:12:40 AM EST

3.80 (funny, funny, astute)

That's Symbionese Liberation Army, which kidnapped Patty Hearst and turned her into a revolutionary bank robber.  They definitely were not what you could call "party people."  Hearst would later go on to reconcile with her filthy rich daddy and marry a former FBI agent.  Oddly enough, I just happened to watch a John Waters movie "Cry Baby" and Patty Hearst had a part as a morally (and likely sexually) repressed parent.  The movie is definitely worth a rental from Netflix or the local video store.

Oh, that's right, Steve wanted to know who we thought would make a better president than the current crop vying for the job.  I'm sooooo sick and fucking tired of the whole Obama/Hillary thing.  You can't criticize Obama without being labelled a racist and you can't criticize Hillary without getting slammed as sexist.  My solution to this is to do a mash up of the two issues and support someone whom everyone loves, runs a tight ship at her business, and gives away lovely parting gifts.  I'm talking getting behind the candidacy of Oprah Winfrey!  You go girlfriend!!!

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: I'm Old Enough To Remember The SLA.

pO157.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 10:35:48 AM EST

3.00 (astute)

Oh, that's right, Steve wanted to know who we thought would make a better president than the current crop vying for the job.  I'm sooooo sick and fucking tired of the whole Obama/Hillary thing.  You can't criticize Obama without being labelled a racist and you can't criticize Hillary without getting slammed as sexist.

Thank you. Did you see this swill on CNN's website (along with edited film on Anderson Cooper last night?). ZOMG! Slick Willy is "upset" with reporters about asking questions! If you actually watch the 5 minute film it consists of a monologue from Mr. Clinton responding to the question in quite the polite, civil manner.

When did polite criticism or disagreements become equivalent to a personal attack in this country?

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Re: Draft X!

wetkarma.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 10:34:47 AM EST

3.33 (funny, interesting, interesting)

I'd like to see someone with an economics degree run for president. To that extent, I'd like to see David Walker (currently head of the GAO) in charge. Alternatively I'd settle for one of our better Treasury secretaries -- Robert Rubin or Larry Summers.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: Draft X!

thefadd.

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:06:40 PM EST

3.50 (astute, informative)

Rubin would make a fantastic President and I certainly wouldn't mind anyone from the GAO either.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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