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Bush Fights for Warrantless Love On The Telephone

pO157.

Posted to Legal on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 06:58:40 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Monday, Tuesday, three days and more
Pretty soon you don't have illegal wiretaps anymore
Friday, the sixth day, Saturday seems late
Don't know how much longer Bush/Cheney can wait.

The American Civil Liberties Union recently released a statement denouncing expected "Shenanigans"  in the Senate involving the Protect America Act which faces a sunset on February 1st. This law, which was passed in August of 2007, provides legality to the warrantless wiretapping program began by the National Security Administration and Bush administration in 2001. The aim of the program is to allow intelligence services to monitor suspected terrorists and criminals without needing to utilize the FISA court -- a panel of judges available on call in a non-adversarial manner to approve warrants for terrorism related requests. Since 1979 the court has accepted over 18,000 warrant requests and only rejected five.

The Protect America Act allows the government to monitor conversations and data transfers that they believe include a parties "reasonably believed to be outside the United States" and requires the Attorney General to report every 6 months the number of times the provisions were utilized as well as to self-report any violations of the law (surveillance of Americans inside the United States, etc).

The provisions of the renewal are also extremely controversial due to language giving telecommunications companies retroactive immunity against civil lawsuits for being a party to the violation of their customers civil rights. These companies currently face dozens of lawsuits for their support of the warrantless wiretapping program. This has been a key campaign plank for one failed Presidential Candidate who announced his continued opposition today,

I am vehemently opposed to that. I would utilize whatever vehicles are available to a senator here to stop that from becoming law with retroactive immunity in it.
Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) argued that telecommunications companies should not need to face civil lawsuits for complying with governmental requests.
"At the end of the day we have to have the cooperation of the telecommunications companies, and they should not have the threat of a spurious lawsuits hanging over their heads."
Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) argues that additional civil liberties protections such as requiring a court to review surveillance requests are unhelpful in the fight against terrorists.
"This is unworkable, and would create untenable gaps in our intelligence coverage without significantly improving the privacy of Americans."

The bill appears likely to pass, given Senate Majority leader Harry Reid's statement that while he personally opposes the retroactive immunity and other portions of the bill he is allowing them to be used as a "starting point" for debate in the Senate, thus requiring at least 60 votes to get them removed -- something the few democrats who disagree with the bill say they cannot get. As of the time of this story's posting, however Republicans have not been able to get enough votes to close debate on the bill and move it to an up or down vote. Senate Democrats are proposing a short 30 day extension as a compromise, but President Bush has signaled he will veto any bill that does not offer a more permanent extension and immunity for telecom companies.

The House has already passed a bill without provisions for retroactive immunity and demands more oversight of the process. The two would need to be reconciled if the Senate passes a renewal bill. Perhaps the whole situation is immaterial since the government can't get it together enough to pay for the warrantless wiretaps in the first place.

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by pO157, Protect America Act, warrantless wiretaps, telephone companies, ACLU, Christopher Dodd, Foreigner (all tags)

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LONG sunset

Dvandom.

Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 09:25:05 AM EST

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Close reading of bill reveals it can be kept going up to a year after Feb 1, 2008.

Sorry I didn't notice the request in the subqueue before it posted.

---Dave

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pO157.

Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 10:34:22 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

For all those who voted no on the poll, how many actually went ahead and wrote an e-mail to your local Senators to register your disgust at the bill or wrote in a letter to the editor? The Senate voted  yesterday on cloture and it failed, although debate continues today on the issue and there is a democratic attempt to put in another "temporary" extension pending.

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Dvandom.

Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 11:14:54 AM EST

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Well, the Senator thing wouldn't do me much good...the one up for re-election this year is so bulletproof the Dems don't even bother putting up a candidate against him.  In 2002 he got 90% of the vote, with the remaining vote split evenly between Reform and Libertarian.

As for the editor, yeah, I should probably do something along those lines (but I have to run to make it to the class I teach right now...will make a note in my PDA to do it tomorrow).

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novy.

Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 04:13:13 PM EST

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I want to learn more about your state. It sounds much like Belarus in 1970. Which Senator represents you?

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pO157.

Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 04:26:09 PM EST

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It's not just MO. When I lived in Idaho the exact same thing happened. Senator Crapo (Yes that is his real name) ran for re-election unopposed by all but some write-in fringe Democrat/libertarian/socialist/independent/Green party guy who ran just because he felt philosophically opposed to people running uncontested on ballots.

It is common in heavily conservative areas for the incumbent to run unopposed, thus the primaries are often de-facto annointings of the politician to hold that seat until they die or get found with a cop in a bathroom stall.

(Here's an unrelated fun fact I found out while researching this post: Did you know Mark Foley was rumored to be involved in Scientology as many as 3 years prior to his fall from grace?)

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PenitenziAgite.

Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 02:36:41 AM EST

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Виктор Янукович

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novy.

Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 07:42:53 AM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Although I doubt Viktor Yanukovich (PM of Ukraine) was Missouri Senator they were referring to (Chris Bond was unbeatable? Crapo in Idaho I at least understand), you continue to encourage me to buy Windows Vista and learn that system you linked to. How cool.

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PenitenziAgite.

Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:54:34 PM EST

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You can do it with XP ( assuming that's what you have).  You have to get some software, though.  The one I used this one.  But in Vista, you only have to enable the keyboard, and I also use a phonetic keyboard layout.

здравете!

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PenitenziAgite.

Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:57:51 PM EST

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Now all I need are the lyrics to "Farewell of Slavianka", and I'm set...

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PenitenziAgite.

Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 02:00:54 PM EST

4.00 (funny)

The common thread is that they all went to the Mobutu Sese Seko school of public policy.

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Dvandom.

Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 08:35:56 AM EST

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It's a little state called Kansas.  Our other senator at least gets an opponent once in a while, but that one isn't up for re-election this year.

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novy.

Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 08:53:10 AM EST

4.00 (interesting, interesting)

True, Roberts won by largest margin in your state's history in last election (65 points, not 85), but "as of 11-20-2007, Roberts has an approval rating of 51%, with 38% disapproving." Hardly unbeatable, although Kansas hasn't elected any Democrat to US Senate since 1932. If Democrats nominate someone, they at least have some small chance. (If anyone deserves disdain in rest of country, Roberts looks as bad as anyone. One of 9 votes in US Senate for torture, big supporter of Patriot Act, Bush suck-up. Wow, he really sucks.) As for Brownback, he doesn't plan to run in 2010 because he believes in term limits, but he won 69% in last election. Brownback converted to Catholicism in 2002, but still attends fundamentalist church? Maybe he should get in touch with Rudy Giuliani and explain facts of life in US to him.  

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novy.

Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 04:19:09 PM EST

4.00 (interesting, interesting)

Democrats in Congress know perfectly well that most Democratic activists think this bill comes straight from hell. That explains why Hillary Clinton doesn't want to take any stand on it until after she wins (or loses) Democratic nomination for president. That explains why Democrats say they have one year to actually make it permanent before it passes into history. Their staffs follow internet as well as you do. If they cared what you thought, they would have killed this already.  

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