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Mum's The Word On Mum And Dad In British Classrooms

MayorBob.

Posted to Etcetera on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 09:07:32 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Anti-gay bullying has been more than a bit of a problem in British schools.

Stonewall, the British charity, estimated "up to 60,000 schoolchildren were subjected to homophobic bullying" back in 2005.  The British government decided the only way to combat this bullying in school was to change behaviors in the school.  Thus, they developed a set of guidelines they want teachers and administrators to enforce in the schoolhouses.  Like so many other things in life, these guidelines have pluses and minuses in the eyes of beholders.  Depending upon the point of view, the guidelines are either inspired pathways to equality or just more politically correct claptrap.

Stonewall began a comprehensive study on what it's like to be gay in British schools.  That study, published last year showed that, whether attending public or faith schools, the majority of gay students had experienced homophobic bullying.  The charity also worked with the government Department for Children, Schools and Families (DCSF) to come up with the guidelines.  According to Schools Minister Ed Balls, "every school should have a clear policy on tackling all forms of bullying, including homophobic bullying" and "I am proud the Government and the department are being robust about this."  What does he mean by robust?

For one thing, teachers should no longer assume students have heterosexual parents.  In furtherance of that goal, the term "mum and dad" should be replaced by "parents" whenever classroom discussion takes place about family life or in correspondence home.  It directs that primary school children "as young as four should be familiarized with the idea of same-sex couples.  Older students should be educated "about civil partnership and gay adoption rights."  Teachers are advised to cease telling young boys to "be a man" or quit acting like women.  Teachers and staff are openly solicited to come forward, if they're gay and share their story as a role model.  However, if they do come forward, they might have to find another word to call themselves -- the word gay is being put on double secret probation in British schools.  Concerned about what is seen as negative connotations to the word when it modifies nouns, schools are advised to observe a "zero tolerance policy" towards its use.  No more statements like "that outfit is so gay" and, should a student call another student a gay, he or she should be treated like a racist.

Most of the reaction to the piece in the Times doesn't seem too accepting of the new policy.  Any number of people referred to the guidelines as "claptrap" and one openly wondered if it might be too bold to suggest that perhaps some students did have heterosexual parents.  The head of the teachers union in the UK said it supports the initiative, but says a roadblock to stopping homophobic bullying is that it doesn't rank that high on the average teacher's priorities.  According to a number of students who contributed to the Stonewall study, classroom teachers were primary users of homophobic language and slurs.

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by MayorBob, UK, schools, children, homophobia, bullying (all tags)

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Magic Bullets and Zero Tolerance

wetkarma.

Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 10:16:28 AM EST

4.57 (astute, astute, brilliant)

Virtually every meeting I attend which involves a marketing/non-security person discussing corporate risk strategy, there is always at least one person who insists on reviewing a solution based on 'a solving the problem entirely standard' by spending gargantuan sums of money.

Each meeting tends to waste 10-15 minutes selling the idea that if you can buy time (it works but won't work X months/years from now), or reduce impact significantly  - the cost vs. benefit makes a less comprehensive approach (where we reduce but don't entirely eliminate risk) more reasonable.

I've done this so often now that I'm convinced that outside of certain select professional fields, the ability to cost-benefit analysis in bureaucratic environment is an endangered skillset. Example 1 on the Agenda: Societe General dumping all its unauthorized futures contracts on the market because no manager at the company wanted to take responsibility for holding on to the unauthorized position.

What does this have to do with talking about gay people? Like a famous movie, government solutions to social problems tend to "nuke it from orbit - its the only way to be sure". Governments are incapable of setting strategic policy which says "ok..we plan on reducing muders by X%". Instead what the leadership says is, "we are going to put a stop to gun and knife crime". When it comes time to policy implementation (tactics) -- the solution dictated from the strategic mindset is to ban gun ownership and carrying knives. The original point (reducing murders) gets lost by tunnel-focus.

So where we once had an intent of stopping people being killed/beaten up for being homosexual, we now wind up with attempting a top-down mandate for culture change telling people (especially kids!) not to be mean.

In a word -- the whole method that modern western bureaucracies use to solve social issues is gay.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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homophobia

skeptic.

Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 09:47:19 AM EST

4.50 (astute, astute)

The one aspect of the new anti-homophobic guidelines that bothers me is the suppression of the term "gay" which is not  a derogatory term, and which is a term that I think we genuinely need, since the only other non-derogatory term we could use would be the five syllable word "homosexual" which is a bit cumbersome.  I have tended to dislike the alternative term "queer" which clearly is intended to imply that homosexuality is abnormal (I would consider it instead to be part of the normal range of human sexual variations), but it has become so widely used within the gay community itself that I had to drop my objection.  But gay is a better term.  There is nothing negative about its original meaning, which is happy or care-free, and even though being gay does not always lead to happiness (and can have tragic consequences) still, there is a happy element in homosexuality, and it is a nice thing to emphasize.

I have also observed that homophobic language (i.e., "faggot") is the most commonly used form of linguistic bullying even when the target is someone who is actually heterosexual.  It's the standard insult.  To the macho homophobe, everyone he dislikes is gay.  This is a something we need to get over.

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Re: homophobia

tomc.

Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 10:34:55 PM EST

4.80 (funny, funny, funny)

When I was a kid in school, we used to taunt those who didn't fit in by calling them "threats to traditional family values."

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Re: gay

profwhat.

Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 01:15:37 PM EST

4.50 (interesting, interesting)

I know people who object to "gay" being used as a noun -- as in, "Lots of gays live in San Francisco" -- preferring that it instead be an adjective, as in "Lots of gay people live in San Francisco."  This usage emphasizes that it's just one characteristic, and not necessarily a defining characteristic.  A good sentiment, I think, although I have serious doubts about whether language-policing ever changes minds.

What the Brits seem concerned about is the use of "gay" as a derogatory adjective, as in, "that shirt is so gay."  The problem there is that it's not always a derogatory statement to describe something as "gay."  For example, the statement "The movie 300 was the gayest movie I have ever seen in my life" could be complimentary (and accurate).

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Re: gay

MayorBob.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 11:28:47 AM EST

5.00 (astute, astute)

"What the Brits seem concerned about is the use of "gay" as a derogatory adjective, as in, 'that shirt is so gay.'"  While that's an actionable use of the word, the news article seems to say the Brits are banning the use of the word altogether in the schools.  Witness the quote from someone saying that anyone who calls another person a gay, "should be treated as if they were a racist."  While I have no problem with the aspects to the policy that speak to trying to have kids behave in school as if their fellow students were human beings, first and foremost, it seems a bit harsh to begin labelling someone a racist for referring to another student as a gay as some sort of zero tolerance program.  What if the other kid was gay and desired to be identified that way by his or her fellows?

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: gay

skeptic.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:22:39 AM EST

4.50 (astute, astute)

I know that there are those who try to treat "gay" as if it were a derogatory term, but then, the same thing has been done with "Jewish" by those who hate Jews.  Nazis used to complain about such things as "Jewish science".  (I actually have a dictionary which states that "Jew" is considered derogatory.)  

If someone says "that shirt is so gay" they might be suggesting that the shirt is too feminine in appearance to be worn by straight men, which reflects a certain rigidity of sexual roles, if not active homophobia, but the fault does not lie with the word "gay".  It is not intrinsically derogatory.

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Re: jew

zyxwvutsr.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 11:29:14 AM EST

4.50 (informative, informative)

I actually have a dictionary which states that "Jew" is considered derogatory
I have heard "jew" used as a verb, though only in the south (even by educated people in Atlanta). It means "to negotiate a price in a shrewd manner," as in, "The guy wanted a thousand bucks for that old pickup, but I was able to jew him down to $700."

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Re: jew

MayorBob.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 11:32:40 AM EST

4.50 (informative, informative)

And I've heard it used as a verb also (and not necessarily in the Deep South) to express the fact that someone got cheated in a deal.  "He got jewed out of $10 on the processing fee."

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: jew

Degee.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 01:22:36 PM EST

4.00 (informative)

Where I'm from we said "gyp". http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-gyp1.htm

Am I a great person? Hell no - by most metrics I'm pretty much an asshole. -TSlothrop

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gyp

JimmyHavok.

Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 09:11:57 PM EST

4.00 (astute, informative, offtopic)

Why do you hate gypsies?

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this joke is gay but

thefadd.

Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:33:06 PM EST

1.00 (offtopic)

Then there's:

"Jew eat?"

"No, jew?"

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: queer

shane.

Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 01:53:18 PM EST

4.50 (informative, informative)

I have tended to dislike the alternative term "queer"

Around here queer is he preferred term - it is what my queer friends call themselves.

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Re: queer

profwhat.

Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 06:42:37 AM EST

5.00 (informative)

In my experience "queer" carries with it significant baggage that most modern gay professionals don't want to touch.  It is used only by politically active (and liberal) gay people, generally those who have been in college or grad school within the last few years.  It carries with it the taint of Queer Nation (for those old enough to remember those folks) and the annoying post-modernist gender-deconstructionist impracticality of Queer Theory seminars in liberal arts colleges.  They gay lawyers, doctors, and businessmen I have met do not use "queer."  Neither do the gay plumbers, opticians, or military officers that I have met.  They use "gay," for everything; increasingly, gay women use "gay" rather than "lesbian" and certainly more than "queer."

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Re: queer

shane.

Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 03:15:02 PM EST

3.00 (interesting)

That's interesting - my friends are all recently graduated from liberal arts colleges and know what all those post-modernist words actually mean. And they are activists too.  So I could see the difference there...  

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Re: queer

skeptic.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:30:12 AM EST

4.00 (interesting)

I know that many people prefer the term queer, and as I previously mentioned I have dropped my objection to it, but nonetheless, if homosexuals would like to gain acceptance as a normal part of the human race, it seems odd to deliberately take on a name meaning strange or bizarre.  The term "queer" was certainly not originally introduced in order to foster acceptance, it was intended as a criticism.  "Gay" seems much nicer.  But if gay people would like to be known as queer, so be it.

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Re: queer

shane.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 04:38:00 PM EST

5.00 (informative, informative)

The wikipedia introduction to queer is rather informative...

The word queer has traditionally meant "strange" or "unusual," but its use in reference to LGBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, intersex, asexual, etc.) communities as well as those perceived to be members of those communities has replaced the traditional definition and application. Its usage is considered controversial and underwent substantial changes over the course of the 20th Century with some LGBT re-claiming the term as a means of self-empowerment. The term is still considered by some to be offensive and derisive, and by others as a re-appropriated term used to describe a sexual orientation and/or gender identity or gender expression that does not conform to heteronormative society.

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