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MRE - Meal Ready to Enjoy?

skeeter1.

Posted to Etcetera on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 07:05:28 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

For the past year, I've experimented with some MREs, and have found most of them surprisingly good.  A US Army buddy of mine turned me on to them.

There are a number of places that we civilians can buy them as well.  They're also inexpensive and have a shelf life of years.  

There's an old expression that "an army marches on its stomach".  About that, I have no doubt, and they're pretty well fed these days.

They've come a long way from the C-rations that my dad had during World War II.  He had to eat them during his three years in Europe during the war and hated the things. The Vietnam versions look a little better, but still lacking.

Of the dozen-or-so varieties of MRE that I've tried, only one (imitation boneless pork ribs) was a stinker.  As my ex-GI cousin pointed out, "That's what Tabasco sauce is for".

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Meal Ready to Enjoy?

thefadd.

Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 07:22:27 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

What the hell is in them that they last so long?

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Meal Ready to Enjoy?

zyxwvutsr.

Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 07:46:16 PM EST

4.00 (informative)

Not preservatives, if that's what you're thinking. It's all about how they are processed and packaged. It's basically canned food without the can.

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Re: Meal Ready to Enjoy?

skeeter1.

Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 08:06:39 PM EST

4.00 (informative, informative)

I don't know, Perhaps they are irradiated?  I don't know.   I'm looking at a beef enchilada MRE right now, and it looks like it has the same crap that we're stuffing in our pie-hole every day.  

Whatever you do, do NOT put a MRE in a microwave.  There's a layer of foil in there, and you'll get some serious sparks.  There are chemical heaters available, but I don't care for them.  Too much grit ends up in the food.  As long as you have some way to boil water (kitchen stove, camp stove, whatever), they're pretty good.  

there's only one way to find out...

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Re: Meal Ready to Enjoy?

thefadd.

Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 08:51:14 PM EST

3.00 (interesting)

Well, which is sort of the point for me. They'd be OK in an emergency but I wouldn't be eating them on a regularly basis. I want the fresh, nutrient-rich stuff, not the irradiated stuff and not the stuff sealed in aluminum.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Meal Ready to Enjoy?

zyxwvutsr.

Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:05:36 PM EST

5.00 (informative, informative)

Don't listen to him; he doesn't know what he's talking about. MREs aren't irradiated. Also, the aluminum doesn't come in contact with the food; the retort package is three layers: plastic/aluminum/plastic. The interior lining is food-grade plastic and the aluminum is for strength.

Still, I don't think anyone would want to eat MREs on a regular basis when fresh food was available.

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Re: MRE - Meal Ready to Enjoy?

JimmyHavok.

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:15:12 PM EST

4.00 (interesting, interesting, interesting)

Back when I was in middle school, there was a Marine training area with a mockup of a Vietnamese village in the woods less than a mile from our school.  It was off base and unfenced, so we used to hike out there every once in a while and scavenge the MREs the Marines had dumped.  For some reason, we thought they were great, maybe because of the macho military connection, but since the Marines had thrown them away, they must have thought differently.  If you had a bunch of them, you could trade for almost anything.

If I recall right, the potted meat was held in especially high esteem, and there was a canned apple cobbler thing that was also very popular.  Keep in mind that this was in a state where Spam is considered the official state food.

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Re: MRE - Meal Ready to Enjoy?

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:15:26 PM EST

4.25 (funny, funny, funny)

If I recall right, the potted meat was held in especially high esteem, and there was a canned apple cobbler thing that was also very popular
Potted meat? I don't know what the hell you guys were scavenging, but it wasn't MREs. Maybe you got into the dumpster of a mental hospital accidentally?

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Re: MRE - Meal Ready to Enjoy?

JimmyHavok.

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:23:51 PM EST

4.00 (informative)

Funny, it was in flat, olive drab cans that were stamped with military specs.  No dumpsters, the stuff was essentially scattered around the mock village.  If you got really lucky, you might find a whole case of the stuff, but mostly it was individual items, probably the ones the Marines didn't think were worth eating.

This was long before the current foil packs were developed.

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Re: MRE - Meal Ready to Enjoy?

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:29:02 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

Cans? Yeah, those weren't MREs. How long ago was this?

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c-rations is probably more accurate

JimmyHavok.

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:57:29 PM EST

4.33 (interesting, interesting, informative)

However, I seem to remember them being marked MRE.

This all happened something like 35-40 years ago.  It was during the Vietnam War, which is why they had that mockup of a Vietnamese village.  The neighboring Marine base didn't have any jungle terrain, so they probably leased the area from the state (not that it was jungle either, more like eight-foot scrub brush and grass).  No simulated munitions, due to being fairly close to a residential area and a well-traveled road, which is why the security was so loose.  I suspect all they really did was hike out there, do some pretend attack formations, eat a meal and hike back to base.  Most of them probably dumped their C-rations as soon as the sergeant wasn't looking in order to cut down on weight.

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Re: c-rations is probably more accurate

pO157.

Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:15:19 AM EST

4.66 (informative, interesting, informative)

Thank heavens they were actually MREs and not a cluster bomb. That would have ruined your day.

In other news, I am surprised they spent money on an extra field by your school if all it was was hikes and whatnot. My first grad school frequently had the ROTC cadets and National guard enlistees doing drills around campus in full gear and whatnot (I assume their weapons were unloaded). It was always a hoot to walk out of my building and see some random dudes in cammo with weapons hidden in the bushes.

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Re: c-rations is probably more accurate

JimmyHavok.

Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:11:34 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

One of the guys at work lived near another training area where they used simulated munitions.  It's quite a bit more isolated than the one near my home.  He and his friends used to sneak up there and find unfired grenade simulators and set them off in the neighborhood.  Because of the live fire practice they did there, it was a bit harder to get in.

The place isn't in use any more, but is still restricted because every once in a while live ordinance turns up.

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Re: c-rations is probably more accurate

Futu.

Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 04:53:10 AM EST

4.00 (interesting, informative)

Meal, Combat, Individual, (MCI).  Usually referred to as "C-Ration".  These were actually the Vietnam era replacement for Cs.  Did you find any of the amazingly green scrambled eggs?

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Re: c-rations is probably more accurate

thefadd.

Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:23:25 PM EST

4.00 (funny)

That feels like a Vonnegut story right there.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: MRE - Meal Ready to Enjoy?

postillion.

Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:38:50 AM EST

4.00 (interesting)

If the MRE beef stew is anything like sous vide beef, maybe I too should be eating MRE food.  Sous vide beef is amazingly tender and tasty.

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delete me.

Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 09:59:32 AM EST

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As I've said, it was the best of the MREs I've eaten. Pretty delicious. Just ... pink.

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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What I want to know

delete me.

Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:48:25 PM EST

3.50 (interesting, informative)

Seriously, is the Beef Stew still pink?

And why the hell is it pink?

And how the hell is it still the best-tasting MRE?*

*Information may be out of date; been out of the military since 1998.

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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zyxwvutsr.

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:56:07 AM EST

5.00 (informative, interesting, informative)

And why the hell is it pink?
Retort cooking is very similar to sous vide cooking. Both processes cook food by keeping it in a sealed pouch at a certain temperature for a certain period of time. Beef can be cooked sous vide, cooked thoroughly and perfectly, and still be completely pink. It's also possible to make beef stew in a slow cooker that has pieces of beef that are still pink in the middle.

I'm not certain that's why the beef stew was pink - just a surmise.

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delete me.

Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:51:19 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

I like that answer, that might be what it was.

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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Re: What I want to know

skeeter1.

Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 12:00:17 AM EST

4.00 (informative, interesting)

"Information may be out of date; been out of the military since 1998."

My favorite one so far (and BY far) is the beef enchilida with tomato sauce.  It's only three bucks (probably less than you'd pay in a grocery store for the frozen equivalent), has a 5-7yr shelf-life (like they would last that long here).  

For the most part, they're really good.  

there's only one way to find out...

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How do they compare to commercial canned food?

port1080.

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:39:11 AM EST

none

Some of the MRE's look pretty decent, but are they really any different / better tasting than your typical grocery store canned or frozen food? It seems like they might be good for camping or hiking (a little easier to carry than actual canned goods), but would there be any point in just buying them for regular use? I know we have a fair number of ex-military folks here, does anyone have any opinions?

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Re: How do they compare to commercial canned food?

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:00:06 PM EST

5.00 (informative, informative, interesting)

Some of the MRE's look pretty decent, but are they really any different / better tasting than your typical grocery store canned or frozen food?
Not better tasting, just more expensive.

It seems like they might be good for camping or hiking...
The chief advantages of the MRE are logistical. MREs do not require cooking, heating, rehydration, special handling, special storage, and are lighter than their canned equivalents.

Napoleon famously said, "an Army marches on its stomach," and in his time that meant either carrying a tremendous amount of provisions (including driving livestock behind the soldiers) or living off the land by appropriating food from locals - perhaps with a promise to pay them for it later, perhaps through outright theft. Napoleon also, somewhat less famously, was responsible for the invention of canned foods - he offered an award for the best method of preserving food so that it could be carried with his army without fear of spoilage. The winner of the award came up with a canning process which was less than optimal given the fragile nature of glass jars, but metal vessels were soon substituted for glass, and modern food was born.

Other methods of food preservation predate canning, of course, such as drying meats and vegetables and the use of salt to preserve meats. These methods were also used for combat rations, but since drying, salting, smoking, and canning are very time-consuming (and therefore expensive) processes, the preparation of fresh food on site long remained the chief way that soldiers in the field were fed; indeed remains the chief method for most of the armies in the world to this very day - US forces are a notable exception.

The US Army originally used the same methods as Napoleon did before canning: they carried fresh food (including livestock driven behind an advancing force) and appropriated food from local farms as necessary. By the Civil War there was widespread use of individual combat rations, mostly hardtack and bacon/saltpork. Although these could be carried and eaten on a march, they were not all that palatable, made for monotonous fare, and did not contain enough nutrients to keep an army healthy for long. Again, most of the nutrition that Civil War soldiers received came from food cooked in the field and carried with the army on wagons or mules. The most important improvement to military logistics by the time of the American Civil War was the presence of railroads which meant that most supplies need not be acquired locally. (There were important exceptions to this, to be sure.)

Combat rations further improved during World War I with the development of trench rations - meals scientifically designed to provide necessary nutrition and with packaging impervious to the environment - an environment that included poison gas weapons. But, once again, most of the meals consumed by combat troops were cooked in the field, mostly using ingredients transported long distances. The major difference was that trench battles in World War I lasted far, far longer than they had in the Civil War. This meant that even fresh cooked meals had to be transported right up to the front lines, and various methods were devised (or improvised) to do that.

The necessities of World War II and the experiences from the previous war had spurred the Army to develop new methods and equipment to deliver fresh-cooked meals to troops on the line. The insulated mermite container was one of these developments; one remembered (oftentimes with a mixture of fondness and disgust) by veterans from nearly every war since because it remained in use for the nest half-century.

The standard way of feeding soldiers on or near the front lines, or in bivouac away from permanent garrisons, was to cook food at a field kitchen, load the food into mermite containers, and transport the food to where it was needed. Food was served directly out of the mermite containers onto stainless steel mess kits (two plates plus spoon, fork, and knife) that each soldier carried. The containers were then transported immediately back to rear areas to be cleaned for the next meal. Mess kits were cleaned on site, after eating, at a line of five trash cans: The first can was for food waste, and the other four held water and gasoline-powered immersion heaters (pre wash with warm-soapy water, wash with warm-soapy water, boiling water to sterilize, and a warm water rinse). The wash water could often be discarded on site, but the trash would have to be hauled away for sanitation reasons.

This entire process, though efficient compared to what had been done historically, required a lot of time, effort and resources. There was not only the manpower, equipment, and fuel needed to transport food to the kitchens, but manpower, equipment, and fuel for cooking, transport to the front, setup of the mess kit cleaning stations, transport of the empty containers and trash back away from the front, and the cleaning of the containers, pots, and pans.

By the 1990s, however, all that was history. Gone are the kitchen tents and cooks, pots and pans, and the seemingly eternal mermite container. Gone also are the mess kits and the immersion heaters and trash cans needed to clean them. Instead, when troops in the field are not eating MREs, they are given food from tray packs, served on paper plates, and eaten with plastic utensils. Like MREs, tray packs are precooked and can be heated simply and quickly when needed. The tray packs are transported in insulated containers, but, unlike mermite containers, the reusable insulated tray pack transport containers do not come in contact with the food and therefore do not need to be cleaned. Since the paper plates and plastic utensils will be thrown away, no field sanitation is needed other than trash bags and a Humvee to take them away.

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Useless Trivia

uncarved block.

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:00:17 PM EST

5.00 (informative, interesting)

   Your excellent post reminded me of an amusing observation- perhaps the only one- in Fussell's The Great War And Modern Memory, discussing British rations:

     "But in the trenches there there was very seldom fresh meat, not for eating, anyway; instead there was "Bully" (tinned corned-beef) or "Maconochie", a tinned meat-and-vegetable stew named after its manufacturer. If they did tend to grow tedious in the long run, both products were surprisingly good. The troops seemed to like the Maconochie best, but the Germans favored the British corned beef, seldom returning from a raid on the British lines without taking back as much as they could carry."

    The fact that this happened often enough to be noteworthy is interesting, and (more on topic) makes me think it likely that the soldiers in other nations would come up with a different list of preferences if American MREs were sold in bulk abroad.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: How do they compare to commercial canned food?

thefadd.

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:48:43 PM EST

4.00 (funny, funny)

You get five points just for mentioning Sherman. God I love that man. Bring him back and run 'em through Atlanta one more time, I always say.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: How do they compare to commercial canned food?

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 03:12:07 PM EST

4.80 (informative, informative, informative)

Oh, and I forgot to answer your question.

No, there is no point in buying MREs for "regular use." I suppose they'd be great for your earthquake kit (if you lived near a fault zone) or your hurricane kit (if you live in New Orleans) or your apocalypse kit (if you live on earth), but I wouldn't buy MREs just to keep in your pantry in case guests showed up unexpectedly.

Some of the other advantages I mentioned above might make MREs good for camping, but I personally don't like them for hiking because of their weight.  MREs weigh about a pound each, though you can cut that down a little by discarding some of the packaging and unwanted components. Still, the main reason they weigh so much is because of another thing I mentioned: they don't need cooking or rehydrating.* That means you are carrying the weight of the water in the food.

Maybe that matters and maybe not. If you're hiking in the desert it doesn't matter and is probably even a plus. If you're hiking in an area where you can procure water then you're probably better off, in terms of weight, to carry dry food and a means to get water and heat it. If you're going out for more than two days the difference in weight would be noticeable.

My personal preference for hiking meals (as opposed to snacks, GORP, etc.) are from Enertia Trail Foods. They weigh a fraction of what MREs do (probably still less than half as much once you add snacks, condiments, etc.) and are really tasty. Some require cooking (usually that just means a few minutes boiling), but most just need rehydrating with boiling water (some of those are made with quick-cooking pasta, so I guess it's technically cooking) .

Most of the hiking meals available (Alpine Aire, Mountain House) are crap. They're full of salt, MSG and other nasty stuff.



* The original MREs had a few freeze-dried components; most notably the fruit desserts. I think because of how they were originally reported in the news when first fielded people got the impression that MREs=freeze dried, but that's definitely not the case.

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Re: How do they compare to commercial canned food?

pO157.

Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:20:44 AM EST

4.66 (funny, funny, informative)

I suppose they'd be great for your earthquake kit (if you lived near a fault zone) or your hurricane kit (if you live in New Orleans) or your apocalypse kit (if you live on earth), but I wouldn't buy MREs just to keep in your pantry in case guests showed up unexpectedly.

I do not own an apocalypse kit. I have it on good authority (from my mother-in-law) that my mother in law is going to be on the post-apocalyptic Board of Directors* with God, Jesus, et al during/after the imminent rapture. Therefore, I am either screwed, or got it made in the shade. Actually, probably the former.  

*Yes, the term used really was "Board of Directors." Why the hell does God have a 21st century corporate Organizational Structure? I'd ask, but I am sure all questions have to be submitted in writing and I don't have the latest cover sheet for my TPS report.

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Re: How do they compare to commercial canned food?

thefadd.

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:19:36 PM EST

3.50 (interesting)

Well, if they're honestly preserved through the cooking process alone, they've already got a leg up on the TV dinners in the frozen section with all their chemical preservatives. I don't eat too much canned food because of the tin but I would certainly have something prepared MRE style over swanson's.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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