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And Then There Were Six...

pO157.

Posted to Politics on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 09:03:50 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Moments after the Iowa Caucuses closed and results came out, two Democratic candidates dissolved their campaigns and thanked their [few] supporters.

The big news from Iowa was a surprise victory for both Huckabee and Obama. But, Iowa '08 will be remembered for more than distributing 0.4% of the Democrat convention delegates. After the results were released Senators Chris Dodd and Joe Biden retired from the race after a poor showing, reducing the number of Democratic candidates to just six. After some initial confusion, possibly due to an error on MSNBC, it was clarified that Senator Mike Gravel was not quitting.

While these are not the first democrats to drop out of the race, they are the first to throw in the towel after a state contest. As disillusioned supporters cling to the hope their fallen contestants that their attempts actually changed something. As the election season rolls on and coverage shifts to other candidates, how will history remember these 'also-rans?'

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I'm wondering if Hillary is misjudging the mood...

MayorBob.

Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:44:01 AM EST

5.00 (interesting)

... of the electorate this year.  Her mantra in Iowa was "who is the candidate who can beat a Republican this year" and "who can do the job from day one?"  Yet, her rhetoric seems to be "we have to be careful about how fast we get out of Iraq" and very little unorthodox or new in the way of running the US government.  To me, that is an appeal to voting for the same old thing Democrats have been voting for since her husband left office.  The results of the Iowa caucuses would seem to indicate that voters are looking in the direction of something entirely new -- a relatively obscure Arkansas ex-governor and a black Democrat.  Yet, in spite of this, Hillary is sticking to her position that people should vote for her because a). she's the most electable Democrat, and b). she's prepared to do the job better than any other Democrat "from day one."  Both of these are debatable assertions in my mind.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Now The Races Start

uncarved block.

Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:04:58 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant, astute)

    I've begun to think of Iowa and New Hampshire less as some key determiners of where the electorate is- for a variety of reasons- and more as the first step in screening the job applications from the candidates. You know, the step where any little mistake is used to whittle the paperwork down. No resume? Gone. Misspelled more than two words? Gone. And so on. But a serious statement about who's going to come out on top? Hardly.
     Why this opinion? Because the process in Iowa and New Hampshire seem so removed from the way political campaigns will run the rest of the way out. For one thing, candidates have to be for things more than they can be against them-- and yet many voters, near as I can tell, pick on the basis of who they'd rather not see in office. Bush was the "not-Gore" in 2000, Kerry was the "not-Bush" in 2004, and the early discussion regarding the Republican candidates has often- and not just from the "liberal media" side- been about which one is the best "anti-Hillary". Until these two races are over, the top candidates, IMO, are essentially running with one arm tied behind their back.
    The other reason, and less idiosyncratic, is sheer size. A lot more candidates can get a campaign organization large enough to run in two states; a lot fewer can pull off a ten state, or twenty even, level of activity. McCain and Bradley didn't have it in 2000, and Dean, IIRC, was already flopping on this front even before the scream. Hillary already has this network in place, and the next month will show if Obama is a serious contender as well. Giuliani, I'd guess, is out, because he lost the "establishment candidate" mantle to Romney; Huckabee doesn't sound like he's got the mojo on that front, at least in comparison to Ron Paul; and IMO Thompson's run has been exposed as the vanity move it always was. (Running for president without any chance to win can be a lot of fun, apparently, which was why Pat Buchanan (among others) did it repeatedly.) But all this could change in a month.
    Short summation, though: Hillary is far from dead with a third place finish. If it had been a third in a 40/30/20 affair, it would be bad, but third in an (essentially) 30/30/30 split is OK. (Edwards has no stamina, so those votes have to go somewhere, and anyone willing to vote for Edwards would seem to have no qualms voting for a Clinton.) Huckabee and Romney are in a duel for the top spot, with Paul lobbing grenades into the mix until the end. And as always, the biggest losers are us television viewers who have to deal with a nearly year long election cycle getting hyped and spun by a dimwitted (at best) media machine . . .

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Who Dat, Got Dat Mojo?

TonedEff.

Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 11:15:25 AM EST

4.00 (funny)

"Huckabee doesn't sound like he's got the mojo on that front, at least in comparison to Ron Paul,"

Please don't tell me that Urkel is really Ron Paul.

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Re: Now The Races Start

JimmyHavok.

Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 05:04:10 PM EST

none

anyone willing to vote for Edwards would seem to have no qualms voting for a Clinton.

I think Edwards supporters would be more likely to swing to Obama.  That may work against him for the VP spot, since Obama probably figures he has those votes anyway.

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Re: Now The Races Start

novy.

Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:08:52 AM EST

none

I think your speculation transparently true. What Obama and Edwards supporters have in common has been intense opposition to war and distrust of Hillary Clinton's commitment to exit. Since bombing in Iowa, Hillary Clinton has repeated her "get out of Iraq" mantra multiple times per day, but if she had done it three months ago instead of speculating about how long US would have to stay in Iraq in name of "responsibility" or claiming that "surge" was working, she really would have wrapped up nomination and become "inevitable". But she wanted to retain her option to appeal to hawks, and now anti-war Democrats don't really trust her. She has no one to blame but herself and her desire to keep her options open.

Obama doesn't need Edwards. He needs someone who will skewer Swift Boat Vets and similar groups, who will get down in mud and call people like T. Boone Pickens "liar" and "corporate cancer". Edwards will never do that, no matter how many times he says he repeats his desire to "fight". In this case, nice guys really will finish last.

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Expansion

uncarved block.

Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:03:36 AM EST

none

     Too true, at this point Obama has a shot at those voters as well. What I was thinking of was a discussion at the time about the Nader voters in 2000, and what would happen if he'd dropped out of the race. Charlie Cook, among others, speculated that it wouldn't make any difference for Gore, because the 3% of voters Nader attracted were more likely to not vote at all than go for known figure like the Veep. I was just pointing out that Hillary's campaign manager should rightly believe that they've got a shot at half the Edward's voters, perhaps more. Whether or not this actually happens is anyone's guess-- if I were psychic, I'd be living in Vegas and making $$$ on sports betting :)
     Hillary's big problem, as Cook (again) pointed out, is that she's got something like 95%+ name recognition, which means her campaign manager can't count on any late breaks in the primaries, or the general election. Much has been made of the new voters Obama is turning out; with Edwards, this is less so, and so they'd be much more attractive to a campaign manager seeking to find a range of voters to woo in upcoming primaries.
    And a word for all: I hope I'm not coming across as a Hillary shill. If there are reservations for her candidacy, she's earned them, some fairly, others not. But what I have noticed is an early desire by some in the media to be rid of her as early as possible, something that doesn't make any sense considering what I think of the NH an Iowa primaries. Remember this if the Clinton campaign revitalizes in two months, because there will be plenty of calls of "liberal media bias" when stories talking about her picking up steam start to crop up. IF this happens, remember that a lot of folks who will be reporting this resurgence were the ones who never wanted to see it happen.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: And then there were two...

novy.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 10:40:59 AM EST

4.50 (interesting, interesting)

Only two Democrats still have any chance of winning Democratic nomination, Barack H. Obama and Hillary R. Clinton. If Obama wins New Hampshire on Tuesday night, it will be down to one, no matter what Clinton thinks about her chances on Super Duper Tuesday.

Obama's first call after he wins next Tuesday should be to Hillary, inviting her to be his vice president. She will be perfect attack dog for when Republicans start flinging mud at Obama. Edwards may be nice fellow but would make terrible VP selection, as he demonstrated when he didn't come out slashing at Swift Boat Veterans For Truth on Kerry's behalf in 2004. That was his job, but he refused to do it because he wanted to preserve his "nice guy" image. Kerry didn't need "nice guy", he needed someone willing to call Swift Vote Veterans cowards and liars, ready to take offense on behalf of all Vietnam veterans, ready to make ugly jokes about Bush in Alabama Air National Guard encouraging Swift Boat Veterans to defame people who made sacrifices Bush would never make.

Hillary Clinton will not win nomination precisely because of her attack dog qualities, yet those very qualities make her perfect to serve as Vice President. She saves face after failure to secure presidential nomination, Bill saves face (and campaigns hard for Democratic ticket in Arkansas and elsewhere), money flows like water, and Bill becomes next Secretary of State, tasked with restoring America's reputation abroad.    

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Re: And then there were two...

thefadd.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:04:37 PM EST

4.00 (astute, interesting)

Didn't you just make the case somewhere else on here that Obama should absolutely not pick Clinton for veep?

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: And then there were two...

novy.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 08:50:15 PM EST

none

If I did (and I don't remember doing so, but who knows?) then I have changed my mind and should add this to comments on MayorBob's changing my mind story.

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Re: And then there were two...

gerrymander.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:36:06 PM EST

3.66 (astute, astute, informative)

Hillary Clinton will not win nomination precisely because of her attack dog qualities, yet those very qualities make her perfect to serve as Vice President.

Hillary won't win the election because people think she's cold, calculating, and uninterested in anything besides attaining power. People think this because some non-trivial part of her character is, in fact, cold, calculating, and uninterested in anything besides attaining power. As this is doubtless just as evident to Obama and his advisors as it is to everyone else, she will never be offered the VP position.

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Re: And then there were two...

Thalia.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 10:33:04 PM EST

4.50 (astute, astute)

You mean unlike Mr. Sweetness & Light, Dick Chaney?  

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Re: And then there were two...

JimmyHavok.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 04:51:14 PM EST

4.33 (funny, funny, funny)

some non-trivial part of [Clinton's] character is, in fact, cold, calculating, and uninterested in anything besides attaining power.

Shame she's not a Republican, isn't it?  She'd be a shoo-in.

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Re: And then there were two...

Shy Elf.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 05:24:24 PM EST

3.50 (interesting, astute)

in fact, cold, calculating, and uninterested in anything besides attaining power.
Just how does this make her a bad choice for VP?  As President, don't you want a VP who is smart and willing to throw their principles into the toilet to go make themselves look good finishing whatever task you set for them?

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Re: And then there were two...

Steve Urkel.

Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 02:58:29 PM EST

none

Presidents don't want VP's that distract from themselves. This is why even exceptionally charismatic presidents, like Reagan and Clinton, still chose boring stiffs for their VP's. So there's no way, even if the Clintons hadn't been threatening to blackmail him with his youthful drug dealing, that Obama would install the Billary show as VP.

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Normally True

uncarved block.

Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:56:32 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

but I still wonder, given the American tradition of shooting presidents every once in a while, whether or not Obama has to consider picking a Veep that the nutcases would like on top even less. (Who knows how many plans to whack the Shrub were strangled in the crib with the prospect of a Dick Cheney presidency? The world will never know.) It's been over twenty years since the last assassination attempt, and while increased security must have played a part, the deterrence factor of a shitty Veep may have played a role as well-- stopping a non-existent shooting is pretty easy.
    The thinking runs both ways, of course. If Hillary picks Edwards and gets elected, she might just be signing her own death warrant. Obama as replacement, with Nancy Pelosi next in the lineup? You'd have to be way past crazy to think your "sacrifice" would change anything . . .

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Normally True

Steve Urkel.

Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:08:54 PM EST

4.00 (astute, funny)

Having Hillary as his VP might decrease Obama's risk of being assasinated by nutcases, but wouldn't it increase his overall chances of dying while in office?

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Probably Not

uncarved block.

Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 07:29:08 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

    If she's as ambitious as everyone says, Hillary will spend all her time out campaigning. What, you think Obama wouldn't take full advantage of the notion that the president and Veep shouldn't be in the same place often? It would be in the interest of national security, don'tcha know . . .

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Probably Not

Steve Urkel.

Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 02:34:49 PM EST

none

Campaigning for what? She's 61 years old.

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Re: Probably Not

novy.

Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:11:13 AM EST

none

How many people in their 70s have served as national leaders, in US, in China, in Europe and beyond? At 61, Hillary Clinton may not be especially close to being done campaigning, or shooting for top spot eventually.

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Re: Probably Not

Steve Urkel.

Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:28:36 AM EST

none

I give up, how many? Hillary already looks like an old bag now, if she became VP and Obama won that would mean her next shot would be 8 years from now. Americans aren't going to make a crone Commander in Chief.

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Re: Probably Not

novy.

Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:31:26 AM EST

none

Margaret Thatcher was crone. Britain loved her. Hillary Clinton at 69 would look good by comparison.

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Re: Probably Not

Steve Urkel.

Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:41:39 AM EST

none

Hillary isn't running for President of Britain, and when Thatcher became Prime Minister she looked younger than Hillary looks like this now. Also

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Re: Probably Not

novy.

Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:50:33 AM EST

none

You clearly were never very familiar with Thatcher. As for huge differences between Britain and US, I don't buy it.

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Re: Probably Not

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 07:55:16 AM EST

none

Yikes!

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Re: Probably Not

pO157.

Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:46:15 AM EST

none

But they have no problem putting them in out of (WTF?) the way, but still important, positions.

Spread it on!

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Re: Probably Not

Steve Urkel.

Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 01:31:56 PM EST

none

WTF? is right. Is that how born again Christians make-out?

The Presidency is special. That's why you have bald Senators, but a bald man has no chance of being President.

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Re: Probably Not

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 07:58:14 AM EST

none

That's why you have bald Senators, but a bald man has no chance of being President
Come on, this guy had a Homer Simpson hairstyle.

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Re: Probably Not

Steve Urkel.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:38:32 PM EST

none

Yes, if you're a 5 star general who lead the allied forces to victory in WWII voters will give you the same consideration they would some complete jackass who has a nice head of hair.

Of course he only ever beat another bald guy, so maybe it doesn't prove anything.

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Re: Probably Not

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:41:55 PM EST

none

Oh, I completely agree with your premise. How else to explain that someone like John Edwards, who is completely unqualified to be president, is taken seriously by a significant portion of the electorate?

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Re: And then there were two...

novy.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 08:52:27 PM EST

none

You may be right that Obama won't choose her, but my argument was that he should, precisely because she has personality you described and would therefore be good at Obama's back.

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Edwards vs Shit Boaters

JimmyHavok.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 04:48:28 PM EST

3.00 (interesting)

I think Edwards not being a vet would have hurt him in that attack.  Kerry should have done it himself, and left Edwards as the Good Cop.

Not that it would have mattered, the vote would have been rigged anyway.

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Re: Edwards vs Shit Boaters

novy.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 08:54:57 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Presidential candidates shouldn't roll around in mud with creeps because it demeans them. That explains why so many presidential candidates choose attack dog vice presidents. Leaving Edwards as Good Cop did Kerry no special good: people don't like Bad Cops and tend not to vote for them when they run for president. While you may be right that vote would have been rigged anyway, Edwards didn't do what was needed for his team, and that may have hurt his team.

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Re: And then there were two...

Thalia.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 10:55:09 PM EST

none

What happened to Edwards?  He was very close to the frontrunners.  And that despite the hype which has been trying to make this a two-way contest between H. Clinton and B. Obama.

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Re: And then there were two...

thefadd.

Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 03:03:57 AM EST

none

Yeah, the question should be, what happened to Hillary? The media seems to be buying her spin that this is no big deal. But from first and third is starting to look like a free fall. It's interesting to me because Bill was never a front runner as early as her in his initial run.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: And then there were two...

novy.

Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:03:25 AM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Good point. Coming in third could be overcome if she can win in New Hampshire and then go on to win several states on Super Duper Tuesday. But if she loses in New Hampshire after her showing in Iowa, she starts to look like Edwards looked in 2004, also-ran with no real likelihood of catching up. Considering Obama had already caught up to her in New Hampshire polls prior to Iowa caucuses, and considering that bounce from Iowa has to be worth five points easily, Hillary Clinton seems to me in deep trouble right now.

Coming in third in Iowa killed Dean in 2004. His whoop during his speech may have iced that particular cake, while Hillary didn't do anything in her concession speech that damaged her quite as badly (although she seemed like Corpse Bride, and Bill and Albright behind him didn't look too good either), but coming back from strong second place showing remains easier than coming back from third place showing in state where you were thought to have led for some time.  

Bill Clinton was running against dwarfs, people who no one could quite take seriously. Democratic field in 1992 was like Republican field now. Huckabee won in Iowa but it remains possible that almost any one of major Republican candidates might still pull it off. Democratic field in 2008 seems much stronger and much smaller.

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Re: And then there were two...

thefadd.

Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 12:06:11 AM EST

none

Both our comments were terribly prescient given that on Monday morning it was announced Obama had a 10 point lead in NH and pundits all over the map were calling Hillary dead in the water with a strong forecast for withdrawal.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: And then there were two (and one-half?)

novy.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 06:06:24 AM EST

none

Not so prescient after all. 10 point lead for Obama day before primary turned into two point loss instead.

Still, she can hardly claim to be frontrunner any more. She should do better in South Carolina than polls indicated over weekend, but she might still lose there. I may even have guessed wrong on Edwards: if he can pull off win in Nevada, where he put in much effort and has union support, maybe he still has shot.

I notice with disgust that as soon as she pulled off even close victory, she was back to getting out of Iraq "the right way". What does that mean to her? Does she still want to win something there? Was she telling Democrats that what she really stands for remains aggressive foreign policy, that she only pushed immediate withdrawal when she thought she was backed into corner?

She was choice of women and choice of poor people, while Obama was choice of men and choice of people doing well economically. Gender gap has returned, this time within Democratic Party.

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The gender gap in the Republican Party.

MayorBob.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 08:52:31 AM EST

none

It's been successfully bridged by Larry Craig's wide stance in the men's room.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: And then there were two (and one-half?)

thefadd.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 05:29:18 PM EST

none

It's interesting that while Bill won with guts and gusto, Hillary's campaign has had a distinctly sniveling, please let me President tone. Obama's is the campaign that for me is reminiscent of Bill's '92 win wherein Hillary come off much more like Kerry's wishy washy try.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: And then there were two (and one-half?)

novy.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 07:20:54 PM EST

none

If Obama weren't black, it would be obvious which was more attractive candidate. But this one will get fought out for another month or two before we see whether sniveling wins out over inspiration.

Clinton's victory speech was really weak. But if women, old people, and blue collar folks stick with her, she may win anyway.

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Re: And then there were two (and one-half?)

thefadd.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 08:04:22 PM EST

none

Two interesting theories on how things played out Tuesday in NH:

- The Hillary cry played well with lots of women.

- The declaration that Obama was well ahead caused many independents to cross the other way and vote McCain instead.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: And then there were two (and one-half?)

novy.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 10:22:56 PM EST

none

Both seem plausible, even though older voters and blue collar voters also went for Clinton. We will see if she can pull off similar miracles in South Carolina and Nevada.

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Re: And then there were two...

novy.

Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:53:22 AM EST

none

"What happened to Edwards?" He had campaigned in Iowa for almost four years, had terrific organisers, and had base to build on. He needed to win, not just sneak into second place eight points behind Barack Obama. If he had money like Hillary has, he could conceivably limp into Super Duper Tuesday with shot at pulling down enough delegates to make up for not winning Iowa, but he has so little money that he has had to agree to take federal money, together with federal limitations. It would have been tough row for him to how if he had won Iowa, but having come in weak second, his situation becomes grave.

It wouldn't be impossible for him to recover by winning in New Hampshire, it would just be highly improbable that he will actually win there. He was in better shape against Kerry in 2004 (who was weaker than either Obama or Clinton now) coming out of Iowa and we all saw how that worked out for him.

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Re: And then there were two...

Shy Elf.

Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 05:16:04 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

I tend to agree.  If you look at the poll numbers, the field has already been cut down to three.  If Edwards is going to make the cut to two, he will have to displace Obama or Clinton.  Actually, a second place in NH would do well enough, but I can't see that as terribly likely.  If he's 3rd in NH, it's going to be hard to make a case that he's relevant anymore.

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Re: And then there were two...

novy.

Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:06:41 AM EST

4.00 (interesting)

If Edwards were to come in second to Obama in New Hampshire, I don't think it would do him any special good, just as coming in second to Kerry again and again in 2004 didn't do him any special good. (He got chosen for Vice presidential nomination, but his performance as second-place finisher in all those primaries didn't guarantee he would be chosen for that.) If he came in second and Hillary came in first, it might help him, depending on how convincing Hillary's victory was (or wasn't) and how badly he beat Obama, but short of first place finish in New Hampshire, he no longer controls his own destiny, like football team that needs someone else to win to get into playoffs. If Obama wins in New Hampshire, even Clinton may lose relevancy.

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Welcome Home Joe.

MayorBob.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 09:20:52 AM EST

3.00 (astute)

Now that your Vision Quest is at an end, you can get back to being what you were always best cut out for -- being a good Senator from Delaware.  I'm hoping that whomever the Democrat is that wins the election in November doesn't dangle the State Department in front of Biden.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Welcome Home Joe.

novy.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 10:32:01 AM EST

3.50 (interesting, interesting)

Your next Secretary of State will be William Jefferson Clinton. Biden will be happy as old foreign policy hand in US Senate.

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Re: Welcome Home Joe.

thefadd.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:05:31 PM EST

3.00 (funny)

being a good Senator from Delaware.

"...being a good Senator from XDXeXlXaXwXaXrXeX MBNA." Or maybe that's what you meant.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Welcome Home Joe.

MayorBob.

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:19:26 PM EST

4.00 (astute, funny, informative)

No, I meant Delaware.  MBNA no longer exists as it was bought out by Bank of America.  This is not to say that Joe Biden didn't carry MBNA's water but, you are aware that part of an elected representative's responsibilities is to represent those who elected him and, until it was bought out by BOA, MBNA was the state's largest employer, wouldn't he be remiss in his duties if he were to turn his back on the company which provides paychecks to more Delawareans than any other company.  It's odd, this business of referring to Delaware as a wholly owned subsidiary of MBNA.  It wasn't that long ago that Dupont was the big dog among Delaware employers and the state was considered to be a "Company State" by those sharing your narrow, jaundiced view in matters of government-business relationships.

In truth, Joe Biden's interests have always inclined him more in the direction of foreign affairs and the judicial branch.  Tom Carper is probably the Delaware Senator you might want to aim your snark shotgun at for being a toady of the credit card banks.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Welcome Home Joe.

dzetetes.

Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 01:29:19 AM EST

4.33 (funny, funny, funny)

Delawareans

Huh. I always thought it was Delaweenies. I learned something today.

In regione caecorum, rex est luscus.

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