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Indecent Proposal - The Fun Police -Vs- The Barflies' Book Of Bad Habits

pO157.

Posted to Legal on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 09:04:14 PM EST (promoted by 1fastdog). RSS.

A suburb of St. Louis is responding to complaints of rowdy bar behavior by contemplating the banning of  all "indecent, profane or obscene language, songs, entertainment and literature" at bars.

St. Charles, Missouri mayor Patti York says rowdy behavior in her town's 3 block-long bar district have decreased since police enforcement went up during late night shifts. However, during the past 6 months they have been called about 15 times a month for crimes such as public urination, fighting and underage drinking in the area.

The solution? A bill that proposes to:

prohibit promotions that sell alcohol at cut rates or in unlimited quantities. Another key element, Veit says, would add a city ordinance violation to the current state law against using fake IDs. Veit says this would result in quicker prosecution in municipal court. The bill also prohibits dancing, sitting or standing upon bars or tables and would require bars to prohibit "indecent, profane or obscene" language, songs, entertainment or literature on their premises.
Bar owners complain because they say the law has obvious freedom of speech concerns, and that they can't be held to judge what their patrons discuss while enjoying some hospitality.

The councilman who proposed the law, Richard Veit, says that some people wish he would go further and shut all the bars down. However, he is attempting to find a good compromise and not be the "fun police."

Tags: written by pO157, edited by 1fastdog, Missouri, alcohol, bar, council, religion, drinking, rowdy, Walter Sobchak, Big Lebowski, Rug, Patti York, Fun Police, Club Dread (all tags)

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Re: Indecent Proposal - The Fun Police -Vs- The Ba

gerrymander.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:06:41 AM EST

4.00 (funny)

Let me guess: Veit's daughter just bought a pair of bright red cowboy boots, and he's extremely unhappy about it.

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Re: Indecent Proposal - The Fun Police -Vs- The Ba

thefadd.

Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 09:11:40 PM EST

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prohibit promotions that sell alcohol at cut rates or in unlimited quantities. Another key element, Veit says, would add a city ordinance violation to the current state law against using fake IDs. Veit says this would result in quicker prosecution in municipal court.

I can't believe these aren't already on the books. Whose fault is it if you don't already have reasonable controls in place.

The bill also prohibits dancing, sitting or standing upon bars or tables and would require bars to prohibit "indecent, profane or obscene" language, songs, entertainment or literature on their premises.

I can't believe someone would genuine entertain such an idea. Just go dry. Where's Ren when you need him?

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Indecent Proposal - The Fun Police -Vs- The Ba

PenitenziAgite.

Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 04:54:39 AM EST

none

Where's Ren when you need him?

Probably out by the pool with Stimpy.

sierra tango foxtrot uniform

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Re: Indecent Proposal - The Fun Police -Vs- The Ba

skeeter1.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:59:32 AM EST

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"require bars to prohibit "indecent, profane or obscene" language"

This will never fly.  Beyond the first amendment consideration, try coming up with a definition of obscene.  I happen (for better or worse) to use "shit" all the time.  Noun, verb, adverb, adjective, you name it.  It's a great all-purpose word.  

It's rather like legislating against teenagers having sex -- it might make the legislator look good in the eyes of the electorate, but it doesn't mean diddly-squat.

there's only one way to find out...

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Re: Indecent Proposal - The Fun Police -Vs- The Ba

thefadd.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:24:26 AM EST

none

Where's that list of outdated laws people enjoy laughing at? As in "non-missionary position sex is illegal in Indiana," this is like one of those before it even goes into place. "You can't curse or dance in a bar in St. Charles, Mo."

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Indecent Proposal - The Fun Police -Vs- The Ba

skeeter1.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:50:20 PM EST

none

Here's one brief list of silly laws that are still on the books in the US.  There are many more around the UK and Canada.

- Alabama:
1. It is illegal for a driver to be blindfolded while operating a vehicle.

- Alaska:
1. It is illegal to push a live moose out of a moving airplane.

- California:
1. Community leaders passed an ordinance that makes it illegal for anyone to try and stop a child from playfully jumping over puddles of water.

- Connecticut:

  1. You can be stopped by the police for biking over 65 miles per hour.
  2. You are not allowed to walk across a street on your hands.

- Florida:
  1. Women may be fined for falling asleep under a hair dryer, as can the salon owner.
  2. A special law prohibits unmarried women from parachuting on Sunday or she shall risk arrest, fine, and/or jailing.
  3. If an elephant is left tied to a parking meter, the parking fee has to be paid just as it would for a vehicle.
  4. It is illegal to sing in a public place while attired in a swimsuit.
  5. Men may not be seen publicly in any kind of strapless gown.
  6. Any form of sexual contact other than missionary position is a misdomeanor. (This is still a law. There have been several cases of people being brought up on these charges in the past 5 years alone. If the police enter a home with a warrent for some other crime and catch the 'culprits' in action, they can, and are, brought up on those charges.)

- Illinois:
1. It is illegal for anyone to give lighted cigars to dogs, cats, and other domesticated animal kept as pets.

- Indiana:

  1. Bathing is prohibited during the winter.
  2. Citizens are not allowed to attend a movie house or theater nor ride in a public streetcar within at least four hours after eating garlic.

- Iowa:
1. Kisses may last for as much as, but no more than, five minutes.

- Kentucky:

  1. By law, anyone who has been drinking is "sober" until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground."
  2. It is illegal to transport an ice cream cone in your pocket.

- Louisiana:
  1. It is illegal to rob a bank and then shoot at the bank teller with a water pistol.
  2. Biting someone with your natural teeth is "simple assault," while biting someone with your false teeth is "aggravated assault."

- Massachusetts:
  1. Mourners at a wake may not eat more than three sandwiches.
  2. Snoring is prohibited unless all bedroom windows are closed and securely locked.
  3. An old ordinance declares goatees illegal unless you first pay a special license fee for the privilege of wearing one in public.
  4. Taxi drivers are prohibited from making love in the front seat of their taxi during their shifts.

- Nebraska:
1. A parent can be arrested if his child cannot hold back a burp during a church service.

- New Mexico:
1. Females are strictly forbidden to appear unshaven in public.

- New York:
1. A fine of $25 can be levied for flirting. This old law specifically prohibits men from turning around on any city street and looking "at a woman in that way." A second conviction for a crime of this magnitude calls for the violating male to be forced to wear a "pair of horse-blinders" wherever and whenever he goes outside for a stroll.

- North Dakota:
1. Beer & pretzels can't be served at the same time in any bar or restaurant.

- Ohio:
1. Women are prohibited from wearing patent leather shoes in public.

there's only one way to find out...

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Let Them Freeze Their Naughty Bits.

MayorBob.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:10:41 PM EST

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"- Indiana:

Bathing is prohibited during the winter.

There you go again, the Nanny State making criminals out of Polar Bears.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Indecent Proposal - The Fun Police -Vs- The Ba

thefadd.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:45:08 PM EST

none

You can be stopped by the police for biking over 65 miles per hour.

That's a tad more than a mile a minute, which in a one block sprint is not wholly out of the question.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Ouch

Lou.

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 05:20:22 PM EST

none

Look carefully at that picture...there's another chain ring near where the seat would be found.  I'm glad the cyclist didn't do a Lance victory thing.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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