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Leaky Little Wiki-Boat Still Floating Despite Judge's Orders

1fastdog.

Posted to Legal on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:00:55 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Well, if this case shows nothing else, it certainly shows that the courts aren't up to speed in the digital world. The whistleblowing site, Wikileaks, is still up and running despite Judge Jeffrey S. White's order that it be shut down over the publication of bank documents exposing the bank's money laundering and tax evasion schemes.

Judge White's order has raised quite a few eyebrows over its (mis)handling of "prior restraint" and the apparent squashing of the First Amendment:

Julius Baer Bank and Trust, a Cayman Islands branch of a Swiss bank, sued Wikileaks charging that it had illegally posted documents stolen by a former employee. The site said the documents "allegedly reveal secret Julius Baer trust structures" for money laundering, tax evasion and other misdeeds.

Federal District Court Judge Jeffrey White ordered Wikileaks's domain name registrar to disable its Web address. That was akin to shutting down a newspaper because of objections to one article. The First Amendment requires the government to act only in the most dire circumstances when it regulates free expression.

The lawsuit and the corresponding judicial orders have come back to bite both the bank, and Judge White on the ass, as the operators of Wikileaks have strategically placed their servers in many locations beyond the reach of US judges. The ordered shuttering of Wikileaks only served to foster plenty of attention on the judge, the bank, and all the related documentation that was in dispute - surely not the outcome envisioned by the court or the bank. Wikileaks, in addition to having its own secure servers scattered here and there, is also being hosted by the same folks who run The Pirate Bay, and they're not exactly shaking in their boots:

"We have the usual small army of stupid lawyers that think we will piss our pants because they send us a scary letter," Svartholm said in a telephone interview. "We do employ our own legal staff. We are used to this sort of situation."

As of now - and most likely in the future as well - the judge's order is not only being ignored, it's being flouted and laughed at, as well. With the increasing ubiquity of all things being digitized and served up instantaneously,  will this serve as a wake-up call to the courts that they must update their thought processes to reflect the present - and future - days?

Tags: edited by port1080, written by 1fastdog, prior restraint, wikileaks (all tags)

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Let's devil's advocate a little...

port1080.

Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 05:44:22 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

While this judge is clearly a little behind the times and the issue is problematic, this does raise a somewhat larger question - what happens when someone posts something online that really does need to come down? I know information wants to be free and all that, but there are some things that the state has a compelling interest in keeping secret (nuclear attack submarine plans, maybe?), and other cases where there might not be such a compelling reason, but that nonetheless should be protected (like, let's say, a zip file over the medical records of everyone treated at some big city hospital?). Sites like Wikileaks that purport to be "uncensorable", and decentralized networks like Tor which probably actually are uncensorable are becoming increasingly common - so it's only a matter on time until something like this gets out there, and once it's out, it's out - it's going to be pretty much impossible to stuff that cat back in the box. Does this mean we should just get used to the idea that we don't really have any expectation of privacy or safety any more in the information age? Or does the government need to force a drastic reorganization of the Internet to allow for censorship, when necessary?

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Re: Let's verb a little...

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 11:13:30 PM EST

4.00 (funny)

...it's going to be pretty much impossible to stuff that cat back in the box
Nothing's impossible if you mix your metaphors thoroughly.

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Re: Let's verb a little...

port1080.

Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 11:39:53 PM EST

none

Nothing's impossible if you mix your metaphors thoroughly.

How is that a mixed metaphor? It's certainly possible, and even common, to be stuffing a cat into a box (or a pet carrier, anyway). It might not be a common metaphor, but I don't think it's egregiously impermissible. I guess it was probably more of a mangled clichι - the normal phrase is "put the cat back in the bag", but considering people are probably far more likely to be putting cats in boxes than bags these days, I like my phrasing better.

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Re: Let's verb a little...

Shy Elf.

Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 11:43:11 PM EST

none

Let's just leave Pandora's cat box alone.  After all, you never know if the cat is alive or dead.

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Pandora's cat box

JimmyHavok.

Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 12:40:10 AM EST

none

The smell should tell you...assuming she hasn't changed the litter today.

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Re: Pandora's cat box

zyxwvutsr.

Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 09:56:21 AM EST

4.00 (astute)

The smell should tell you
Sniffing the box collapses the wave function, and that would likely cause the whole thing to wipeout.

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Re: Let's verb a little...

postillion.

Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 12:35:25 AM EST

none

It'd be hard to tell if it's Pandora's box with Schrodinger's cat.

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Re: Let's devil's advocate a little...

thefadd.

Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:44:00 PM EST

none

From a systemic perspective, what information qualifies as truly dangerous?

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Leaky Little Wiki-Boat Still Floating Despite

thefadd.

Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:30:01 PM EST

none

This case has some interesting parallels to a current case the media actually is covering--that of the New England Patriots taping scandal. In that case, a former employee, Matt Walsh, retained property which was evidence of wrong-doing by his employer. This is an extremely sticky subject for a judge to wade into. On the one hand, whistle blowers ought to be given certain protections. On the other hand, employers ought to be protected against employee theft.

Unfortunately, we don't really get to address those issues as the judge in this case was a royal idiot who overshadowed the details of the case by himself acting with extreme inappropriateness, outdone only by his lack of understanding of modern technology.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Leaky Little Wiki-Boat Still Floating Despite

1fastdog.

Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 02:56:26 PM EST

none

the judge in this case was a royal idiot who overshadowed the details of the case by himself acting with extreme inappropriateness, outdone only by his lack of understanding of modern technology.

Yeah, does anybody think he'd have pulled the same kind of crap if the offending party was named The Wall Street Journal or The Washington Post? Somehow, I think not. As an aside, one of the things that cracked me up while reading the articles was how the judge wanted the Wikileaks site notified of some stuff by way of email - never mind that he just pulled the plug on their site - and if all had gone according to plan they'd have never gotten his email since they were, you know, supposedly shut down and all.

From the Register link in the w/up.
White's lack of internet savvy was in further evidence when he directed that a copy of his order be emailed to Wikileaks within 24 hours of the issuance of his order. The only problem there was that the suspending of Wikileaks.org prevented the organization's email system from working.

Somewhere in my soul, there's always Rock -n- Roll... Joe Strummer

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Re: Leaky Little Wiki-Boat Still Floating Despite

profwhat.

Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:23:11 PM EST

none

Never, ever, ever, ever trust the Register to report on a legal matter correctly.  A two-second look at the actual order (PDF) shows that it ordered the e-mail to be sent to wikileaks on February 15, the same day the order was entered.  So, the e-mail gets sent, and then within a day or so the domain name stops resolving after the order is actually enforced.  This does not reflect stupidity on the court's part in the slightest.  It does provide yet another piece of evidence that the biased hacks publishing at the Register know their way around a motherboard much better than they know their way around a courthouse.

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Leaky Little Wiki-Boat Still Floating Because

postillion.

Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 12:39:22 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

Actually Little Wiki-Boat has gotten such a wave of publicity off this story that what it should worry about most is that it will crash due to increased traffic.

Not being much of an internet browser and only using the internet for sites I already know, I hadn't heard of Wikileaks until this court order was reported in the NYTimes.  The best part of the NYTimes story was that it gave the various different ways to access Wikileaks through its various backdoors.  

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