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Fickle Finger of Fifth Estate Flicks Female From Fray

pO157.

Posted to Media on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 04:04:32 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

As the two  media anointed Presidential candidates fire salvos at each other, one candidate formerly thought to be a lock for the nomination begins to cry and complain of bias by reporters.

In a recent CNN debate, the final one before the next group of big state primaries,  Senator Clinton (D-NY) claimed she was the victim of media bias. She stated that a recent Saturday Night Live skit showed that Obama was treated with kid-gloves by a media which vilified her for her controversial votes in support of the Patriot Act or the start of the war in Iraq.

In the thick of the primary season, Senator Clinton's staff found themselves in the distasteful situation of playing a card commonly used by conservatives and outsider or long shot candidates. Claiming media bias and lack of attention is not something that comes from a candidate with 1,268 delegates.

As early as the New Hampshire primaries Clinton insiders claimed that media bias was occurring. President Clinton intimated that if it continued it would force the race to go prematurely negative (which is ironic considering Mrs. Clinton attacked her opponent's alleged negative campaigning in Ohio). Recently Clinton loyalists (and ironically members of the mainstream media) lambasted supposed bias, demanding that the media cover Obama's supposed involvement in shady real-estate deals and other activities.  Some say the bias is just against women in general. Others say the media and their polls, focus groups, and spin are just filler for dead air.

Perhaps there is no real bias, and Clinton is just throwing out the kitchen sink in order to save herself. Some claim Obama just gets extra attention because of his world class public speaking abilities. Others say his status as an underdog helped him, as well as being the first real-life major black presidential candidate. Still others content Obama is a veritable man of steel and Hillary would be best to simply bow out gracefully for the betterment of the party.

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by pO157, Hillary Clinton, Clinton, Election, Democrat, Primary, media, politics, bias, reporter, Ron Paul (all tags)

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To Quote Mr. Nelson Muntz: "Haw haw!"

pO157.

Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 04:19:26 PM EST

5.00 (astute, astute, astute)

Yes, the media does unnaturally fixate on certain candidates and all but ignore others. I am sure others here will expound on this.

That said, I find it hard to have any sympathy for Hillary. There were other candidates running for nominations (Gravel and Kucinich on the D side, and possibly Dodd, Biden, as well as Hunter, Tancredo, Paul, etc on the opposite side of the aisle) who did not receive nearly the same attention as she did. Later in the campaign Gravel and Kucinich were even excluded from the debates where she faced off against Obama and Edwards despite the fact that they were still on the ballot and likely played to the anti-war segment of the Democratic party.

Where was she when Gravel and Kucinich got ignored? If media bias is such a bad thing, how come she did not speak up for them? Wasn't her campaign the one that was trying to build up the "aura of inevitability" around it to crush anybody else who dared seek the nomination? If she had done so successfully, do you think she'd be complaining that Obama, Gravel, Richardson, Dodd, Edwards, etc didn't get the attention they deserved because she'd been preemptively anointed the nominee by the mass media?

Sucks that you can't have it both ways, eh, Hillary?

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Hillary's Lament.

MayorBob.

Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 08:15:10 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

"I've noticed one thing in all these debates.  I always get asked the first question.  Now, I'm not complaining ..."  This translates to "WAAAAAAAAHHHH.  I'M COMPLAINING ALREADY HERE."

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Hillary's Lament.

pO157.

Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 08:32:23 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

Seriously. She is running as the experienced alternative and she has nothing to do at the debates but cry and moan? Come on. Who do they have running the campaign? She should not have even brought that up. That is why your campaign has hatchet (wo)men and spin doctors to complain to the press as talking heads after. You don't turn the candidate into a whining second grader.

She's done.

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Re: Hillary's Lament.

MayorBob.

Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 08:39:01 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

It was an especially disingenuous move on her part because it came as a segue from the topic of the Q&A at that point in the debate.  The topic was supposed to be NAFTA, that baaaad treaty she secretly loathed the whole time her husband managed to get it passed by Congress during his first term.  Oh my, no wonder she decided to segue at that point.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: To Quote Mr. Nelson Muntz

profwhat.

Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 09:50:33 PM EST

5.00 (interesting, astute, astute)

Hillary's complaint is not that she is being ignored, but that the press is not being fair in how they treat her versus Obama.  I kind of see her point; St. Barack is getting positive coverage just for having lots of well-attended rallies, while Hillary's coverage has been nothing but bad news since the South Carolina campaign.

The press has been horrible in covering presidential campaigns for as long as I can remember; it's all horserace stories, combined with small explosions of coverage over inconsequential "scandals."  Any candidate who complains about his/er press coverage is probably right.  (That doesn't mean it is smart to criticize the press, however).

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sleep in the bed you made

wetkarma.

Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 04:45:29 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

As I recall Edwards made the same charge when virtually all media coverage was focused on Obama/Clinton prior to him dropping out. If you want to reach people, you need to find a way (to use a bushism) to catapult the media. The internet as an example provides every presidential candidate with quite the bully pulpit.

However - if you want to spin the media and are not so concerned about people; then by all means charge the media with bias.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: sleep in the bed you made

pO157.

Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 06:36:04 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

The internet as an example provides every presidential candidate with quite the bully pulpit.

Tell that to Howard Dean or Ron Paul.

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Re: sleep in the bed you made

wetkarma.

Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 09:51:10 AM EST

4.50 (astute, astute)

Just because you can get your message out, doesn't mean that it will find resonance among the populace sufficient to persuade a voting majority. Those who are among the most active on the internet (young people) are also the least inclined to actually vote.

If your base is young voters and mine is old people in retired homes, even if you have 4 times as many supporters, odds are I'll still win when the polls open. That has nothing to do with media bias and more to do with

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: sleep in the bed you made

postillion.

Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 04:42:03 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

I guess this is a case of history not repeating twice, or at least not political campaign history.

Bill was the one who won the election by taking an unconventional tactic to the younger voters, by playing his saxophone on MTV and making political campaigns "fun."

Now, Hillary goes on the campaign with the most conventional talking points, dressed like a caricature of the power business woman making her way in a man's world (please, at least Obama gets to wear a bright blue tie; please wear something flattering), and her only outlet to her own humanity on the media is by crying.

Even though I am not an Obama fan, I give him credit for being the first Democrat candidate in a long time who hasn't been made into a wooden block of inhumanity by his own campaign.

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Re: sleep in the bed you made

pO157.

Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 09:59:35 AM EST

none

Sadly you are right. The younger adults in this country frequently get treated like irresponsible second class citizens, and their issues ignored. This won't change until they start getting educated about the issues and start voting en masse to get things changed.

I bet you every congressman would flip on the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 if they knew everybody from 18-25 would vote in a large single bloc on that one issue the way fundamentalists do on abortion or gay rights.

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Pre-Obamamania bias

snwodttam.

Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:06:38 AM EST

5.00 (interesting, astute)

So, yeah, we're in the middle of (imagine your local "Crazy Eddie" car dealer's voice here) O-Ba-Ma-Maaa-nia.  And I guess that's gotta irk the Clinton camp a bit, but then thems the breaks right.  

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

And by that I'm thinking back to the early part of the election cycle when all I seemed to hear from the media was how Clinton would win handily and people were trying to decide which among the Republican candidates would offer up a better matchup.  There was scant coverage of any of the other Democratic runners.  Clinton this, Clinton that.  My reality, however, was that I saw very, very few people who outright supported Clinton in anything I was reading online.  And I knew absolutely no one in real life that supported her.  As far as I was concerned Clinton's popularity was constructed by the media.  So if the support wasn't really there to begin with, what's she complaining about now?

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The Freak Show

uncarved block.

Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:46:09 AM EST

none

    Well, what you say is true, for the most part, but why it's true is more interesting to me. Was Hillary being hyped as "inevitable"? Sure, because that was what had worked for Bush in 2000, getting him past initial (and lasting!) doubts about what he'd really do in office; with Clinton redux having a serious problem with her base to overcome, it looked like a good strategy to scare other candidates out of the race-- and helped sell advertising at a time when anyone with any memory knew that the real campaign wasn't going to start for another year or two.
    What shouldn't be overlooked either is how much this helped conservatives as well as Republicans, especially in the White House. If Bush was unpopular, and subject to ever increasing attacks from his right flank . . well, post a story about Hillary winning in 2008, and hope that specter helped keep some folks inside the tent. Which was why outlets like Fox News, who are staffed with folks who would have liked to see Clinton leave the stage for good didn't counteract the dominant meme, even though- especially though!- they knew "inevitable" was a bunch of hooey. Didn't hurt the fund raising either, I'd bet.
    Was there real support for Hillary? I dunno. Guess I'd turn the question around and ask how much "genuine" support you've ever heard for McCain. Is there really a groundswell of support out there for the man who ran as "the new thing" for the first time eight years ago? Yet he's poised to take the nomination, beating handily two candidates who were sometimes described as "better" in the media. (And remember all that talk about Rudy being a major player? Heh.) So I'm hesitant to say that all the early talk about Clinton sweeping to the nomination was premature-- the question being not whether someone would bleed for a candidate, but rather whether they'd vote for him or her. In that regard, the early hype for Hillary looks a lot better, at least IMHO.
   

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Isn't The Media

thefadd.

Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 02:03:04 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

the fourth estate?

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Isn't The Media

pO157.

Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:04:56 PM EST

none

D'oh. Or according to this wiki entry, the headline could still be factually correct. But it probably should have been 4th.

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Re: Isn't The Media

thefadd.

Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:17:06 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

Well, right. There could certainly be an oblique inference there, even a drawing out of a fifth column reference.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Clinton

Nameless Cynic.

Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:46:15 PM EST

none

Well, to be honest, I'm not a big fan of Hillary just lately. For the longest, I was happy with either her or Obama getting elected. But her current behavior, with the mudslinging at Obama and the Rovian attitude of "win at any cost" makes me wonder whether she's the right candidate.

On the other hand, if you believe David Brock's 2002 book Blinded By The Right, Hillary had every right to claim "a vast right-wing conspiracy." And with evidence of Hillary-haters easy to find (a.k.a. "Clinton Derangement Syndrome"), you can see why Hillary might be more sensitive toward evidence of a media bias against her.

And the evidence does seem to lean in her favor on the subject. I'll leave it to the evidence in the linkariffic writeup to say yay or nay.

Doesn't say I'll vote for her over Obama. I think that her behavior lately speaks to her character a lot more than the nasty things being said by the media types.

It's like "Night of the Living Republican." The idiots are right outside, and they want to eat your brain.

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