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The Media, Black Helicopters, Trilateral Commission, The Man, the UN and Your Mom force Ron Paul out

pO157.

Posted to Politics on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:27:02 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

In a recent campaign note to his supporters, Ron Paul announced that while his campaign for the national race would still continue with a much smaller staff, he would put much of his attention towards running for re-election in his home district.

Ron Paul, the former Libertarian presidential candidate, garnered fervent support over the internet with his many supporters willing to go above and beyond in ways big and small to ensure victory for their preferred GOP nominee. However, going into Super Tuesday Dr. Paul was hampered by poor results in the early states, settling for  2nd place finishes in Nevada and Louisiana (although the campaign claims they may have been cheated from their first overall state win down on the bayou) and his Tuesday results were not much better. The refusal of the media to cover much of his campaign, unequal time at the debates, allegations his campaign was supported by racists and conspiracy theorists, and accusations of racism from decades long past also did not really help.

After Super Tuesday Ron Paul held at most ~50 candidates. Earlier this week 2nd place contender Romney dropped out, all but ensuring McCain the nomination. This left Ron in a difficult position, since his campaign strategy was to pick up as many delegates as possible and then prevail in a brokered convention, something unlikely to occur given the current number of delegates pledged to Huckabee.

In his posting, Ron noted that he will spend the majority of his time fighting for re-election in his home district. He now faces a challenging race at home, with two competitors running against him for the primary. He also ruled out any potential run for president as the nominee of another party, thus ensuring that the Libertarian Party's chances in 2008 may likely fall on a candidate with Mitt Romney-style magic hair.

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by pO157, Ron Paul, Libertarian, Libertarian Party, GOP, election, nominee, Huckabee, Romney, Magic Hair, Tri-lateral commission, Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski, Zbigniew Brzezinski, convention, brokered convention, expected Senate Interference, money bomb, Black Helicopters, Your Mom (all tags)

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paranoid conspiracies and fevered imaginations

wetkarma.

Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 01:38:43 PM EST

4.50 (interesting, interesting)

If nothing else, Ron Paul's campaign exposed pervasive, clumsy attempt of broadcast and print media to ignore his candidacy by refusing to broadcast his voting results (on multiple networks/in many newspapers) over several primaries.

At some point you have to acknowledge repeated events for being intentional rather than coincidence or errors.

Ron Paul's campaign has been my personal conspiracy awakening - all the time people in tin-foil hats were issuing screeds about trilateral commissions and jewish cabals I ignored them. 9/11 truthers? Same deal. However I can come up with no logical sane reason for the manipulated coverage I saw multiple news networks give when reporting the voting results from Iowa and New Hampshire.

As far as the media was concerned when reporting voting results -- Ron Paul was the invisible man.  If coverage of the results can be so blatantly rigged, then it doesn't require much thought for me to believe that the votes themselves are rigged.

In sum: if nothing else, Ron Paul's campaign has convinced me that democracy as practiced in america is a worthless civic effort for individuals.

 

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Welcome To The Club

uncarved block.

Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 06:50:34 PM EST

4.50 (astute, interesting)

   What took you so long :)

   Well, since you brought up the 9/11 truthers and all, maybe you're ready for a little bit of Chomsky at his best. You don't have to buy every word to understand why it is that Paul was largely ignored-- and why this was almost inevitable for a Republican party that threw a lot of its mojo behind the Iraq war and subsequent occupation. There were even direct echoes: Chomsky has often been accused of being crazy or fanatical, a charge leveled repeatedly against Paul, and just last month Jonah Golberg (on Tucker Carlson) complained that Ron tended too often to "blame America first"-- a label everyone who's ever read Noam knows all too well.
    I'd still be leery about Jewish cabals and Trilateral Commission types- go see if your library has a copy of Jon Ronson's THEM: Adventures With Extremists for a more detailed explanation. (While you're there, should you go, The Men Who Stare At Goats is also a very interesting read.) There's a fine line between "propaganda" and "projection", but you can usually tell the difference after a little thought.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: paranoid conspiracies and fevered imaginations

thefadd.

Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 06:18:54 PM EST

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I have another theory--news producers are assholes. Actually, that's not a theory, it's something I feel to be fact. But here's the theory: Paul did actually get a good bit of coverage before the campaigns kicked into high gear. During this period, every online and call-in poll the cable nets held was overwhelmingly won by Paul. Time and time again, we saw news casters actually saying things along the lines of, "hey guys, love the enthusiasm but you just 'invalidated' our unscientific poll." Every time there was a poll Paul-ites texted and emailed each other to respond. They had the early intensity and it actually worked to kind of get their guy on the map. I know it's how I first became aware of his campaign.

But something else also happened. The news guys felt embarrassed and when people in that industry get embarrassed they get really pissed and petty-vindictive. I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL to find that Paul's being left out of results at key times was a direct result of news producers wanting to get back at him and his supporters. They don't care about the results, they don't support him in the first place, they don't think he can win, why not hand his supporters who ruined their polling mojo a big Fuck You. Essentially the message would go something like this: "You think you can manipulate our news broadcasts to get your man attention? We'll show you exactly who controls our news broadcasts, we do and your guy can't play." Is that professional? Hell no. In short, it's exactly what you'd expect from a cable news network.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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In a surprise reversal...

port1080.

Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 04:08:14 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

This might surprise some, considering my previous comments on Paul, but I'm sad to see him out. I do appreciate that he was able to put some important ideas on the table and get them some press (and I do think that the MSM gave him the short shrift when it came to coverage). I hope that his campaign at least shows that a libertarian candidate can raise a lot of money and has a strong base of grassroots support. RP wasn't the guy that was going to win an election based on that support, but maybe next time around we'll see a more compelling candidate who's able to leverage that into something good. I think part of the problem this time is that Dodd, Paul, Gravel, and Kucinich all had the same sort of appeal as anti-government (yeah, that's ironic for Kucinich, but I still think people had that perception of him - and at least in the sense of civil liberties, it's probably true enough) candidates, and yet none of them (except maybe Dodd) really was a compelling person for the general election. On top of that, McCain and Obama were both mainstream candidates that were nonetheless able to drape themselves with the "political outsider" mantel. Given all that, this just wasn't (and isn't) the year for a libertarian candidate to really shine as a stark contrast. Next time, maybe they'll have better luck (and hopefully put up a better, more effective candidate and campaign).

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Re: In a surprise reversal...

pO157.

Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 05:07:26 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Given all that, this just wasn't (and isn't) the year for a libertarian candidate to really shine as a stark contrast. Next time, maybe they'll have better luck (and hopefully put up a better, more effective candidate and campaign).

Man, how much worse does stuff have to get before the platform of a libertarian candidate becomes a stark contrast to the status quo?

The thing that gets me about this whole thing is, I occasionally troll the forums on Fark (I feel dirty admitting this. Is there a 12 step program?) and all I see is people bitching and moaning about the status quo, the Bush administration, government interference in people's lives, the war, and many derivations thereunto. Yet many of these same Fark Regulars were in the RP threads shouting from the rooftops that Dr. Paul is "crazy." Somebody pointed out that RP is for the same stuff the very same people are regularly complaining about... silence.

Every candidate has kooky ideas. Didn't Edwards want to force everybody to buy health insurance or get it somehow, and then fine them if they did not comply? The people who harp on and on about personal responsibility did not question his sanity. But because RP wants a return to the gold standard he's insane*. Is that the only reason? Somebody fill me in.

Why is that people will so blindly believe questions about a candidates sanity and vote against their own interests? If Paul or a Libertarian candidate was polling at 45% (pipe dream, I know) do you think the same fark regulars would still be calling for a 72-hour psych hold?

Editor's Note: I do not necessarily believe a return to the gold standard would be the best idea, although it is worth debate. I'd be happy with mandatory balanced budgets (perhaps with portions dedicated for debt service) unless in the face of a declared war or some other massive emergency.

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Re: In a surprise reversal...

jwb.

Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 10:44:30 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

Saying positive things about the gold standard is a good way to reveal yourself as an ignorant moron.  Lots of people (including every Ron Paul supporter and Ron Paul himself) seem to believe there's something magical about gold which prevents the government from monkeying with money supply and exchange rates.  Historically, this was not true.  The US government devalued the dollar with respect to gold a number of times when we were on the gold "standard" and then finally, when a large creditor came calling for their payment in gold, we told them to fuck off, there is no gold.  Obviously, the fact that we were able to switch from a gold standard to the purely faith and credit system without an intervening exchange of paper money for specie points to the fact that the gold standard is not ironclad.  As long as the US is the chief economic power on the planet, our government can and will do strange things with the dollar.  The gold standard cannot change that.

The only practical way to get control over the dollar policy will be to massively shrink our economy until we are no longer overpowering the international monetary system.  If we elect Ron Paul, this is probably what we would get.  I doubt the gold standard chorus realizes this however.

Everybody together: FIAT MONEY!

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Here's the deal

1fastdog.

Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:55:39 PM EST

4.33 (interesting, astute, interesting)

Man, how much worse does stuff have to get before the platform of a libertarian candidate becomes a stark contrast to the status quo?

It'll never change until the Libertarians (or any 3rd party) do two things:

  1. Start a massive education campaign on what they're all about. Mainstream America knows next to nothing about the objectives of 3rd parties, mostly because the parties have done an extremely poor job selling themselves and their platform to Joe and Jane America. Folks can blame the media for the relative lack of coverage that 3rd party candidates get, but the fact remains that 3rd parties haven't overcome the "wacky outsider" tag largely because they haven't focused enough on smartly educating Americans on what they stand for, while at the same time they've been promoting candidates that fall into that whole "wacky outsider" category I mentioned earlier. Political junkies know what 3rd parties stand for. The average voter? Not so much. In this day of instant news and information, it's absolutely gobsmacking that they've not made this approach a front-line cause. Which brings me to...
  2. Find a politically moderate voice in someone that the American public knows and doesn't distrust. Someone who's well-spoken, well-liked, and charismatic enough to convey a sense of importance to their cause. Colin Powell or the like, for example. Ross Perot is still the most recognizable name in the history of 3rd party candidates - a name that most Americans remember as "the rich, 3rd party dingbat" - there's their problem in a nutshell.
Until a 3rd party can effectively utilize an education campaign and find a spokesman that Americans can recognize as "electable" - assign your own definition - they're doomed to be relegated to the space they currently reside in: LooneyWackeyFringeville®.

Somewhere in my soul, there's always Rock -n- Roll... Joe Strummer

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Re: Here's the deal

delete me.

Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 01:40:33 AM EST

4.00 (interesting, interesting)

I thought that for a 3rd party to succeed, one would need for one of the two major parties to completely betray their platform. For example, the Republican Party stepping in after the Whigs stopped being the "anti-Federalist" party.

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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Re: Here's the deal

thefadd.

Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 01:50:12 AM EST

4.33 (brilliant, astute, brilliant)

What like the development of the tax-and-spend Republican under Bush II?

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Here's the deal

delete me.

Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:04:36 AM EST

3.00 (funny, funny)

Touché.

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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