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Shoe Tossing: The Definitive Non-Answer

thefadd.

Posted to Scoop on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 09:24:18 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Sneakers on telephone wires. Like white dog poop from the '70s they are one of those oft-seen, rarely documented phenomenons of every day life. How did they get there? Why did they get there? Possibly most importantly, who put them there?

Scared suburbanites have frequently attributed them to gang markings. Somewhat more seasoned--but no less cynical--urban dwellers have attributed them to bullies playing keep-away with school children's gym shoes. Still others claim they are the best way to chase off birds. Some people seem to understand them more deeply. And then there are those who simply want to poke fun at the whole issue.

Many have questioned why they're there but few have provided a definitive answer. What can be observed is that they are a world-wide phenomenon. Sneakers, and boots, and dress shoes can be found on telephone or electrical wires in both urban and rural settings. Once there, they do seem to pose some threat. Occasionally, someone will be dumb enough to try to retrieve them on their own and even less often the weight of the shoes will knock down a power line.

New York of course lays claim to starting the trend. In 1956 no less. But in a testament to their below-the-radar status, almost everywhere seems to think they own the title for shoe tossing--both Philadelphia and West Coast (where gang fears were highest) internet forums seem to think they were a purely local practice.

The most definitive answer would seem to come from those whose job requires they remove the sneakers. Tucson Electrical Power officials say that they remove 5-10 pairs per week from electrical lines but that, "The highest periods of activity seem to be after school lets out for the summer break." Such findings seem to jibe with the general consensus of internet message boards--that children, either bored or celebrating often heave their own shoes aloft when they no longer need them. Still, there seems to be no way to tie each individual case to a single motivation. Ever tossed your shoe? Any plans to start?

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by thefadd, shoe tossing, juvenile hijinx, gang signs, drugs, brothels (all tags)

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Abominable snow men

Steve Urkel.

Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 06:06:40 PM EST

4.66 (brilliant, informative, astute)

The Canadians have invented an ugly variation of this wholesome pastime.

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Re: Abominable snow men

keta.

Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 11:42:17 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

Ah, the ignorance of Americans when it comes to knowing anything about their northern neighbours.

The feet are easily explained, if one follows the major stories in the Canadian news.  To wit:  The recent crackdown on Hells Angels and their toadies here on the west coast has seen the Angels silencing some of their cohorts in a bid to keep Angels' secrets secret.  The long-preferred method for such "disappearances" is to have a contact (never Angels themselves - they learned their lesson trying to navigate a vessel into Mick Jagger's compound ages ago) take the marked man on a little boat trip off the coast, where the unfortunate's head (or tete as we sometimes call it up here) is encased in cement, his left foot is hacked off, and he's thrown overboard to "swim with the salmon", as we call it.  Alas, the poor fellow will never spawn; his right foot is gnawed off by picky crabs who prefer calf meat (that's why they taste so good themselves), the foot floats to the surface, and eventually washes up on a beach.  The left foot, meanwhile, is taken back to the Angels as proof of the victim's one-way dive.

The authorities are well aware of the source of the right feet, of course, but see this as an in-house culling that actually helps them, so they're loath to either stop it or fully explain it to those who wouldn't recognize a size twenty Plimsoll if it hit them in their much-examined navel.

 

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Re: Abominable snow men

Steve Urkel.

Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 12:56:15 PM EST

none

But the feet are in sneakers. I thought Hell's Angel's toadies wore boots?

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That's not how it's done in Canada

3fingerspointback.

Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 02:48:16 AM EST

none

This is how it's done in Canada.

(is 3fingerspointback)

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But is it international?

port1080.

Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 09:38:42 AM EST

none

I think most of us can assert we've seen this in many parts of the US, but I wonder if it's caught on as an international trend yet? I can't remember seeing any in China, but I wasn't there for a particularly long time either. Ditto Canada. What say you, Canadian, UK, and American-expat-living-in-Japan TnTers?

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Re: But is it international?

port1080.

Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 09:39:43 AM EST

5.00 (informative, astute)

Right, I'm an idiot and missed the "world-wide" phenomenon link in the writeup.

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Re: But is it international?

wetkarma.

Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 05:56:34 AM EST

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In the projects aka council housing neighborhoods, you see this sort of thing. You also see newspaper reports about neighborhood watch committees 'determined' to stop gang behavior by cutting them down.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Shoe Tossing.

MayorBob.

Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 10:11:52 AM EST

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I can't remember ever seeing this in Wilmington until the 1980s.  The first time I can recall witnessing the phenomenon was back in the mid-70s up in Northeast Philly.  It was right outside of a shoe store in a strip mall and not anywhere what you could call gang turf back then (heh, things changed with an influx of Russians and Southeast Asians in the 80s).  At any rate, I sort of wondered what the backstory was and a friend of mine, who had a son whose sneakers were tossed over the telephone line told me it was a local tradition.  As soon as someone bought a new pair and didn't need the old pair, they'd tie the old pair together and toss them over the line.  At least, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: What about boots?

zyxwvutsr.

Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 10:41:21 AM EST

none

When I was in the Army, it was traditional to take a guy out on his last day before being discharged and get him drunk. Then, back to the barracks to get a pair of his boots to toss up on the powerlines where everyone would see them next time we were out running.

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Re: Shoe Tossing: The Definitive Non-Answer

Degee.

Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 12:26:40 AM EST

none

Happens in Vancouver quite a lot. I have also very frequently remarked on sometimes quite nice footwear neatly abandoned on sidewalks, as if they were on the threshold of an imaginary door. I wonder if the heroin high creates the need to shed ones feet covering.

Am I a great person? Hell no - by most metrics I'm pretty much an asshole. -TSlothrop

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Re: Shoe Tossing: The Definitive Non-Answer

postillion.

Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 02:32:02 AM EST

none

The links on this sub were fantastic!  I loved the Sarah Silverman song video for white dog poop as well as the video mock gangsta fighting over rights to toss sneakers.

I've been seeing shoes in trees and hanging off telephone wires for ages and just assumed it was kids playing pranks on each other.  

But the best time was when I went to a poetry reading and some deluded poet (I forget the name now) seemed to think that homeless people were getting their shoes stolen and tossed.  

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Re: Shoe Tossing: The Definitive Non-Answer

pO157.

Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 01:46:48 PM EST

none

We have quite a few in areas bordering my neighborhood. They are spread out throughout the city as well. You can submit a complaint on the city website about them, there is even a special flag on the standard form to say you are complaining about shoes on wires.

As for their purpose? I don't know. I remember being told as I grew up that shoes on wires means "Drugs sold here." I could kind of see that, since they seem to accumulate more rapidly on bad corners or areas than they do in "nicer" parts of the city. But then again, it could be a false correlation because perhaps those residents are more likely to have the pull to get the shoes taken down. In addition, it would seem foolhardy to base your advertising for an illicit activity around a 20 year old urban legend that has to be well known by the cops.

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Re: Shoe Tossing: The Definitive Non-Answer

DEMachina.

Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 06:51:15 PM EST

none

Shame there's not a more definitive answer, as I always wondered this too.  I never saw them in the small town where I grew up, but they're not at all uncommon in Richmond.  I heard one explanation, that it meant someone had been killed near that spot.  While it's certainly possible, I think in most cases it's just people getting rid of old shoes and deciding to do it in an urban legend kind of way.

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