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Beijing 2008: A Disaster Waiting to Happen in Progress?

port1080.

Posted to Politics on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 09:18:09 AM EST (promoted by 1fastdog). RSS.

Last Friday riots shook the Tibetan capital of Lhasa. China's official Xinhua news agency reports 10 dead in the protests, but Tibet's government-in-exile (in India) suggests that as many as ten times that amount were killed by Chinese security forces in the process of quelling the uprising.

The Tibetan protests signify one of the worst fears of China's leadership come to life - a bloody uprising just months before Beijing hosts the 2008 Summer Olympics. The Games thus far have been cast as a showcase for China's modernization efforts and its peaceful rise to Great Power status. In the eyes of the Chinese leadership, the Games will serve to enhance the country's unity as well as show the rest of the world how far China has come in the last two decades (and hopefully erase lingering images of the 1989 Tienanmen Square democracy protests).

Instead, it seems that the Games may instead be showcasing some of the worst, authoritarian tendencies of the Chinese government, as well as the ecological disasters that have accompanied Chinese industrialization. 1950s-style "campaigns" are back, including one against public spitting and littering. While this may seem relatively mild, there have also been more serious crackdowns involving the arrest of peaceful opposition party members and religious activists. Even though China's Olympic bid was partly conditioned on a pledge to improve human rights conditions, so far the IOC has refused to criticize China, saying that the organization must stay out of politics.

The failure to address humans rights issues has already led to some embarrassment for China, however, as Steven Spielberg, who had signed on to be an artistic consultant for the Olympics, resigned his position after being pressured by human rights groups who were angry over China's failure to pressure the government of Sudan (which China provides much financial and political support to, in exchange for oil rights) to stop the genocide in Darfur. The Chinese government also fears that Olympic athletes will attempt to use the venue to criticize or embarrass China over its human rights problems - to the point that some countries have asked their athletes to sign contracts stating that they will not use the Games to promote political causes.

While these "domestic" problems may seem compelling enough, China's real fear is that ethnic separatists in Tibet and Xinjiang (both large, inland, and historically independent / autonomous provinces where China's ethnic majority Han are in the minority, both of which declared independence during the chaos of the 1910s and 1920s, and both of which were brought back into the country through military force in the 1950s) and political separatists in Taiwan will take advantage of the Olympic games to mount protests, carry out violence, commit terrorist acts, or even possibly (in the case of Taiwan) declare independence (it should be noted, however, that the repeated failures of the pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) in recent Taiwanese elections makes an independence declaration increasingly unlikely).

Tags: written by Port1080, edited by 1fastdog, China, Tibet, Xinjiang, Olympics (all tags)

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What were they thinking?

port1080.

Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:24:52 AM EST

5.00 (interesting, informative)

I don't know if the Chinese leadership really thought this whole Olympics thing through when they started pushing for it in the 1990s.  The mantra among the Chinese right now seems to be "the Olympics is about sports and a chance to showcase our culture - leave politics out of it" - but anyone with any sense should have realized that wasn't going to happen.  Human rights groups are going to keep the pressure on, religious groups are going to keep the pressure on (my crazy fundamentalist great aunt, who unfortunately found out that I'm a China scholar, keeps giving me literature that she gets in church about how the Chinese a "persecuting the Christians just like the Romans!" and such), and internal dissident groups are going to take advantage of the fact that the eye of the world is on them to raise as much of a stink as they possibly can.  

If the Olympics are seen as a failure there will be a real legitimacy cost for the CCP.  A lot of the reason the CCP has middle class & elite support right now is because it is seen as doing a good job of controlling the population, managing the economy and rebuilding China's national glory. If the CCP appears to be out of control and embarrassing China, a lot of that good will may evaporate.  The CCP is relying on nationalism right now to hold the country together and maintain its legitimacy - but this is like riding a tiger.  If the tide of nationalist sentiment turns against the CCP, there may be hell to pay.  The CCP recognizes this - this is in large part why they feel they cannot back down over Tibet or Taiwan.  These areas have been a mainstay of their nationalist rhetoric for so long that if they did back down, it would be so unpopular that the CCP would face a serious legitimacy crisis.  They're sort of playing chicken - they've put themselves into a position where they can legitimately say that the population of China does not want to compromise on the Taiwan issue - but that also means that the CCP leadership can no longer compromise on the Taiwan issue, even if they would want to.

Now, I don't really think that anything that comes out of the Olympics is going to lead to the CCP losing power or that any of these "revolts" in Tibet and Xinjiang will actually be successful (or that Taiwan will declare independence), but I do think that there will be a lot of short term costs to China.  These events are going to remind the world once again that China still has a terrible human rights record, which will boost the US effort to continue the EU arms embargo towards China.  It will also put increasing pressure on China to deal with some of its "client states" that have even worse human rights records (Zimbabwe, Sudan, Burma) - and if it refuses to do so, it will be much harder for the rest of the world to accept that China is "peacefully rising" to be a "mature member of the international system" (which is the image China badly wants to project).  

If China starts to get labeled as a "rogue state" it will destroy the last decade's worth of careful diplomacy that China has engaged in to try to raise its international standing.  China has actually been very cooperative with regional organizations in the Asia-Pacific, and most of its neighbors trust China far more right now than they do Japan or the United States.  China has really emerged as a regional leader.  If it begins to look like China is backsliding, this feeling of good will might quickly dissipate.  After Tienanmen in 1989 China's neighbors were very scared, and it took a lot of effort for China to dig itself out of that diplomatic hole.  If the same sort of crackdowns happen again in association with the '08 Olympics, we may well see a similar diplomatic cost.

If China isn't able to project a good image, there could also be trade consequences with the US, particularly with the upcoming change in administration. Nancy Pelosi and the House leadership are already very skeptical of China and of free trade.  The Senate is a bit more friendly, but not much.  Right now China's biggest ally is Bush - once he's out of office, who knows? McCain isn't a sure thing - his anti-torture stance might make him less willing to overlook Chinese abuses than Bush and Clinton were.  HRC would probably try to continue business-as-usual.  Obama, who knows?  He has touted his willingness to engage with countries like Iran and Cuba, but on the other hand his liberal credentials and his anti-free trade posturing suggest that he may not be very China friendly.

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What they were thinking

Territan.

Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:42:38 PM EST

4.66 (astute, funny, astute)

port1080: I don't know if the Chinese leadership really thought this whole Olympics thing through when they started pushing for it in the 1990s. The mantra among the Chinese right now seems to be "the Olympics is about sports and a chance to showcase our culture - leave politics out of it"

Think back to about half of the Bond movies ever produced. It's practically a trope that at some point, the major villain of the piece is going to throw a mild-mannered soiree or party, or some other quaintly fun or socially redeeming event, just to show that he can. This was probably something along those lines. But they grossly underestimated the amount of rancor they'd have to sweep under the rug.

And just to put one other thing into perspective...

port1080: McCain isn't a sure thing - his anti-torture stance might make him less willing to overlook Chinese abuses than Bush and Clinton were.

Bear in mind that McCain's anti-torture stance made him no less willing to overlook American abuses. Conclusion: McCain's anti-torture stance can be abandoned at the drop of a hat--an ill-fitting sparkly bright electric-pink-and-orange hat emblazoned with the name "Boofums."

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Re: What were they thinking?

postillion.

Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 12:52:39 PM EST

none

I am interested in your last paragraph about our politicians and China.

I always thought that China was too powerful for any of our politicians to anger.  Even if they become more jingoistic and less inclined to take care of their human rights issues, would this be drastically different than previously over the last few decades(and this is a genuine question I am asking and not a rhetorical question)?

I would be interested in hearing about why our politicians seems less friendly towards China.  I always thought they were to large and powerful for us to be anymore than cautiously friendly.  Why are our politicians willing to take a harsher viewpoint of them now? (again, another genuine question.  I would love an elaboration from you on the whole U.S. politicians and Chinese government relationship).

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Re: What were they thinking?

port1080.

Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 01:56:57 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

I would be interested in hearing about why our politicians seems less friendly towards China.  I always thought they were to large and powerful for us to be anymore than cautiously friendly.  Why are our politicians willing to take a harsher viewpoint of them now? (again, another genuine question.  I would love an elaboration from you on the whole U.S. politicians and Chinese government relationship).


It's only in the last decade or so that we've really become closely tied to China by trade - don't forget that the renewal of China's Most Favored Nation trade status was never a sure thing throughout the 1990s (now that China is a part of the WTO that's no longer an issue).  The promise that was made during the Clinton years (and continued under Bush) was that if the US "engaged" with China that it would lead to liberalization and that China would slowly democratize (this is why many Democrats initially supported it in the 1990s, even against their protectionist instincts).  This hasn't happened as quickly as was promised, obviously.  As the failures of engagement have become increasingly apparent, now we are seeing some backlash.  Republicans never really cared about engagement in the sense of liberalization in China - they just wanted access to cheap markets.  So as long as Republicans controlled Congress and with Bush as president, engagement would continue even with China abusing human rights left and right.  Now that we see Bush on his way out and the US economy seems to be doing poorly (and everyone is blaming cheep Chinese goods and so on) we are seeing politicians re-think their positions.  Nobody gets elected due to foreign policy - especially in an "it's the economy, stupid" sort of year.  If politicians feel that beating up on China will get them re-elected (or more to the point - if they see that being soft on China gives their opponents ammunition) then they will beat up on China, and consequences be damned.

Now, it is true that there are more consequences now than there used to be.  China holds a lot of US treasury debt, and China is one of our biggest trading partners.  Still, this is a politically contested issue - a lot of US protectionists see this as being a bad thing, not a good thing.  While someone like Obama couldn't just cut off all ties with China right away, he could certainly make it much harder on China, by doing things like supporting US companies in filing anti-dumping complaints against China in the WTO, doing semi-legal shenanigans to get around US open market obligations under the WTO vis-a-vis China, etc, etc.  China could retaliate, but this would hurt China as well, particularly if they did something drastic like dumping all their US securities.  More likely would be that we could see a slow disengagement between the two countries over the next five or ten years, with each side trying to hurt the other without hurting itself too much.

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Re: What were they thinking?

postillion.

Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:43:59 AM EST

none

Thanks very much for the thorough answer.  

In regards to the economy doing poorly and blaming cheap Chinese goods, I am sure we will be seeing a lot of deflecting onto other nations as well as illegal immigration for what has been poor decisions in many areas: government, corporations, wall street financiers, banks, as well individual Americans who have strung out their credit by refinancing their mortgage time and again.

Inasmuch as the Chinese government has failed to provide safe quality control on products manufactured there (all my life, I had grown up with my mother telling me not to buy food products made in China...and sadly, it's turned out that she's right when I just thought it was prejudice on her part), American corporations must also bear part of the blame for not ensuring the quality of the products they had made cheaply abroad.

The U.S. itself stands on such perilous grounds in terms of human rights these days (between the legalized torture, Guantanomo Bay, and the largest prison system in the world) that it seems almost laughable for us to point a finger at any other nation.  It's noteworthy that even though China has the second largest number of prisoners, in terms of percentage of population incarcerated, China lags far behind the U.S.

For me, the biggest problem I have with China right now is their manufacturing and the consequences on the environment.  It affects their population drastically with numerous deaths and illnesses attributed to their pollution...but it also affects us with acidic rainfall on the West Coast occuring from China's pollution.  I would like to see Western corporations that have their products manufactured in China work with Chinese factories to find greener solutions.  Well, and given that corporations aren't going to spend money if the government doesn't intervene, I hope at least the U.S. government will legislate something about how American corporations that use manufacturers abroad still need to uphold a certain level of environmental quality.    

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Re: What were they thinking?

Shy Elf.

Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:45:29 AM EST

none

if it refuses to do so, it will be much harder for the rest of the world to accept that China is "peacefully rising" to be a "mature member of the international system" (which is the image China badly wants to project).  
You answer your own question here.  A successful Olympics does a truly huge amount of projecting this image.  It's too sweet a candy for China to resist, even knowing that it will give them indigestion.

Much like the Vietnam fighting the US, Tibet never had a chance to win against the full military force of China by any means other than by being such a thorn in the side of China that China would decide that control of Tibet wasn't worth the effort.  Aided by cooperation from the US orchestrated by the brother of the Dalai Lama, Tibet was a major thorn in the side of China in the 50s and 60s until US support was ended by Nixon.  The problem for any independence movement in Tibet or Xinjiang is that success even in being a major annoyance to China requires either a genius leader capable of operating using only Chinese military's supplies or support in the from of weapons form a foreign power.   In order of my estimate of probability, possible nations to provide this support are Russia, the US, India, or an Arab or Muslim power.  All of these potential alliances have only a low probability of happening.

Contrary to US popular belief, the Dalai Lama did not call off the Tibetan resistance as a result of a moral stand, but as a practical matter because of the Tibetan casualties for little result which would have resulted from trying to continue it in the absence of US support.  His ability and willingness under the correct conditions to call up a large number of fighters willing to die for Tibet is generally greatly underestimated in the West, but there is nothing indicating that these conditions are at all probable.

What these protests were intended to do -- and I believe them to be both orchestrated by the Dalai Lama and intended by him to be peaceful -- is only put a bit of international pressure on China and call a bit of attention to Tibet, while hoping for the small chance of the diplomatic homerun which would result in an alliance with a major foreign power which would allow a true resistance.

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The olympic compittie says

shane.

Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:09:55 AM EST

5.00 (astute, astute)

"Don't boycott the Olympics over the Tibet protests it will only hurt the athletes"

I call utter bullshit on that one.  Preparing for the Olympics costs millions and millions of dollars.  In Vancouver they are buying new buses, building new roads and on and on.  There is a labour shortage because so much work is going into preparing for the Olympics.    They are doing this because tons and tons of people from all over the world will come to Vancouver and spend money, thereby boosting the economy and much of the money spent preparing will hopefully be recovered during the Olympics.

If you boycott the Olympics China will be screwed.    They've already spent the money and if they don't get the expect boom to their economy the shit will hit the fan.  So yes, boycott the Olympics - cancel the Olympics if you have to.  It will make things very difficult for the Chinese administration.

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Re: The olympic compittie says

skeptic.

Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:59:03 AM EST

4.00 (astute, brilliant)

You make a good argument.  I would have to agree that the Chinese take-over of Tibet is at least as offensive and immoral as the take-over of Kuwait by Iraq, which lead to the 1991 Gulf War.  However, no one wants a war with China, which is the world's most populous nation, one of the world's greatest economic powers (perhaps soon to be THE greatest) and a nuclear power.  As a matter of military practicality, the West conceded Tibet to China a long time ago.  It is doubtful that the US would, at this point, even want to go to war to protect Taiwan, which is much more important to the Western world than Tibet ever was.

If we boycott the Olympics we will do real harm to China, but what will China do in retaliation?  Do we really want to go down that road?  We are at a time in world history when international cooperation seems to be more vital than ever.  It will be necessary, very soon (if not immediately) to gain China's support on the UN Security Council for some new solution to the war in Iraq, and for bringing an end to Iran's nuclear weapons program, and probably for several other matters as well.  We certainly need China's cooperation for any meaningful global solution to our growing environmental problems.  As Chinas economy continues to develop it is likely to become so important that it will play a central role in pretty much everything, replacing the US as the world's dominant power.  It does not pay to offend a country which is in that position.

So what can I tell the people of Tibet?  Only that I am sorry, but I can't help them.  This is not a happy answer, but it is a realistic one.

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Re: The olympic compittie says

shane.

Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 03:41:19 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

Skeptic, you've made many very good points.  This is why so many people throughout the world are suffering - "if I try to help them it might affect my standard of living, I'm sorry there is nothing I can do." Like you said, it is not a happy answer but it is currently the answer most often provided.

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Re: The olympic compittie says

skeptic.

Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 09:22:27 AM EST

4.00 (astute)

My comment about Tibet isn't actually related to the issue of my standard of living, it is about some rather more urgent concerns.  It is true, however, that people who care overly much about their personal standard of living do constitute a major obstacle to some of the reforms that the world urgently needs, particularly in the area of environmental degradation.

I might add that although I am not calling for a boycott of the Chinese Olympics, neither do I plan to attend.  I suppose that if everybody does just follow their conscience, the result would be equivalent to a boycott, even if none is actually declared.  That might be an appropriate solution.

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Re: The olympic compittie says

pO157.

Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:34:11 PM EST

none

 It is doubtful that the US would, at this point, even want to go to war to protect Taiwan, which is much more important to the Western world than Tibet ever was.

Does the US have military advisors in Taiwan? I would imagine they would. I'm too lazy to google to find if this is the case or not.

I can't imagine the US allowing a Chinese attack to cause American casualties and then sitting back without any type of retaliatory response. I imagine such an answer to a ChiComm invasion would case the loss of more "face" for the US than would a military loss to China.

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The hidden disaster

Lou.

Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 03:05:15 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

True, there may be political unrest and Beijing might not be an environmentally safe place to compete.  Yet no one has brought up the potential disaster of Squat Toilets.  With an anticipated 500,000 visitors coming to the games, what will happen when westerners try to negotiate such facilities and wind up falling into their own shit?  Or worse...having an Olympic case of constipation? Oh the humanity!

I can't argue with your logic...but I can recommend a good therapist

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Boycott Beijing 2008

tomc.

Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:26:07 AM EST

4.50 (funny)

Let's start organizing a boycott right here!

I refuse to compete in the 2008 Olympics.

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Re: Boycott Beijing 2008

Shy Elf.

Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:14:38 AM EST

none

That may be easy for you, tomc, but what about if you've invested the time to actually make an Olympic team?   I would hope that the British athletes at least would boycott, but I understand that it would be asking a lot, and isn't that likely to happen.  Even a few of the better ones would make the point, though.

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Re: Boycott Beijing 2008

tomc.

Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 04:12:27 PM EST

none

Carter boycotted the Russian Olympics because of Afghanistan, and we ended up winning that one, so the boycott must have been effective.

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Dude...

pO157.

Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:36:26 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Did I just see a post on the internet including both "Carter" and "win" in the same sentence?

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Re: Boycott Beijing 2008

thefadd.

Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 04:35:57 PM EST

none

Winning which one--Russia, Afghanistan or the 84 Olympics the Soviets counter-boycotted? 'Cause it sure didn't win anything for Carter.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Boycott Beijing 2008

tomc.

Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 05:59:21 PM EST

none

We helped the Taliban kick Russia out of Afghanistan!

Hurrah!

Personal note: back then a friend of mine, a reporter, went to Pakistan and Afghanistan and met with some of the mujehadeen (sp).  She brought me back one of those "mooj"  hats.  I get funny looks whenever I wear it.

Of course, I get funny looks whenever I wear ANY kind of hat.

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Re: Boycott Beijing 2008

thefadd.

Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 02:48:28 PM EST

none

Some athletes aren't competing because of the adverse environmental effects. It's difficult with sponsors, etc, but if one were a big enough name and you could get a couple other big names together, it would make quite a splash to hold an alternative display.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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