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Was The Fired Librarian A Snitch Or A Heroine?

MayorBob.

Posted to Legal on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:09:43 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

If you're a member of the Geek Squad asked to fix someone's computer and you find kiddie porn on the hard drive and you report it to the police, you're a hero.  If you're a library aide in Tulare County, California and you spot a patron using library computers to view kiddie porn and report him to the cops, you're out of a job.  At least that's what Brenda Biesterfeld is saying happened to her and it's a case that has the entire community in an uproar.

Biesterfeld, a 46-year-old single mother, was working as an aide at Tulare County's branch library in Lindsay.  She was approached by 39-year-old Donny Chrisler on February 28th who asked how to transfer photos onto a CD using one of the branch's PCs.  She said she noticed Chrisler "acting strange" later with the monitor "turned into him."  She walked up behind Chrisler, who is deaf, and noticed the images on the screen - "a dozen or more pictures of nude blond boys, just showing everything."  She approached her supervisor to tell her what she had seen.  The supervisor told Biesterfeld to issue Chrisler a note saying it was a first warning - a second note and Chrisler would be banned from the library.  Biesterfeld asked if she should call the police and was told not to.  Disagreeing with her supervisor, she went to the cops the next day telling them "I might be putting my job in jeopardy by reporting it."

When Chrisler returned to the library on March 4th, Biesterfeld spotted him viewing child porn again.  Again, she called the police who arrested him.  He is being held in jail pending trial as he can't make (US)$100,000 bail.  Two days after Chrisler was finally carted off to jail, Biesterfeld was fired.  She was given no reason for the termination but she's convinced it was because she disobeyed her supervisor's orders.  The county sent a letter to her attorney saying she was fired for "legitimate business reasons" (pdf doc) - not because she filed a police report.  Biesterfeld's lawyers (from the conservative Liberty Counsel) can't understand how she could have been fired for "unacceptable performance" when she received a favorable job review six weeks before she got fired.  Library manuals are a little thin on procedures to follow when it comes to dealing with illegal computer use.

The bottomline is that the community isn't buying the library's story about firing Biesterfeld over performance issues.  And they're upset at the notion that an employee has to clear things with a supervisor to report a crime.  Lindsay Mayor Ed Murray said the library has no business having a policy of them dealing internally with a crime being committed by a patron, "If we've got a predator in our community, I'm happy she reported this; if she hadn't reported it, that would be a crime in itself."  The Lindsay City Council has given Biesterfeld an honorable award and are talking about severing their relationship with the county over her fate.  While the library is sticking to its story of firing Biesterfeld over performance issues it made the point that there might have been a miscommunication between Biesterfeld and her supervisor with the supervisor believing Biesterfeld was complaining about adult, not child, porn which Chrisler was viewing.  Biesterfeld says that's not likely as there would be no way she would have raised the issue had Chrisler using the computer to view adult porn.  Roland Soltesz says that the majority of porn seized at Chrisler's house were the adult variety and not illegal.  He is planning to fight the case as a test of civil liberties.

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Re: Was The Fired Librarian A Snitch Or A Heroine?

port1080.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:19:01 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

I can sort of see where the library might be coming from, but not really. It seems to fly in the face of common sense so much that I almost wonder if there's something more to this story that we're not hearing. If a librarian knows that a crime is being committed, it should be obligated to report that crime, end of story.

I could see the library's point if the patron was just reading a book like "How to collect child porn and get away with it" or was reading erotic literature about underage children (both of which are, by the way, perfectly legal activities), but since he was actually looking at honest to goodness child pornography there's really no excuse. The only rationale I can think of is that maybe the library thinks that librarians shouldn't be looking at what the patrons are doing on the computers. If that's the case, then the computers shouldn't be in a public place - put them each in an individual cubicle with a door that can be closed and arrange the usages policies in such a way that each user is truly anonymous. Don't put library employees in a situation where they know a crime is being committed but are unable to do anything about it.

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Re: Was The Fired Librarian A Snitch Or A Heroine?

skeeter1.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:15:52 PM EST

none

"but since he was actually looking at honest to goodness child pornography there's really no excuse. The only rationale I can think of is that maybe the library thinks that librarians shouldn't be looking at what the patrons are doing on the computers."

I don't look at any porn, adult or child, not at home, and certainly never would in a public space.  AFAIC, if he got busted, it was for shear stupidity.  In my mind, the librarian did the right thing.  Did she disregard her supervisor?  So What?  She followed her moral sense of what was right/wrong.  Law enforcement seems to be behind her, and I'm thinking the library supervision should tuck their collective tails between their legs and give her her job back. They, not she, messed up.  

[/end of rant]

there's only one way to find out...

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Chrisler is going to try an insanity defense.

MayorBob.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:36:13 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

He must be insane if he thought he could use a computer in a public library to view child porn.  But, I don't think that rises to the level of a legal threshhold for insanity, however.  I find the comments of his lawyer interesting: "Oh, but the majority of the stuff they seized from his computer at home and the computer in the library was legal adult porn.  Oh, and all those images that were child porn, they were parts of a set (and somehow less of a crime)."

Interesting that the library is sticking to its characterization of Biesterfeld as an unacceptable performer.  Yet, there's the business of the favorable job rating she got six weeks ago.  Of course, nobody's produced the rating and, suppose she did become some sort of a malingerer or malcontent within the past six weeks?  

But, the thing that's got me in all this is the library seems to keep moving their story from no comment to poor performer to her supervisor thought she was carping about adult porn.  I would assume like so many other probationary employees, you can be terminated without any particular cause at any time during your probation.  Too bad for the county that this incident had to happen right before they were able to terminate her for her lack of performance.  Unless, she's being quite truthful and her supervisor got her nose out of joint because Biesterfeld failed to follow her orders.  Either way, alarm bells should have sounded at the library that this might not be the right time to fire Biesterfeld and hope this would all go away.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Chrisler is going to try an insanity defense.

ms sue.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:06:12 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

I would assume like so many other probationary employees, you can be terminated without any particular cause at any time during your probation.

Probably, as long as the termination doesn't break any laws.

 IANAL, but could her action come under any possible interpretation of whistle-blowing?

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Re: Chrisler is going to try an insanity defense.

MayorBob.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:47:38 PM EST

none

"IANAL, but could her action come under any possible interpretation of whistle-blowing?"

I'm not either but don't you have to be exposing or uncovering some sort of criminal behavior or waste on the part of her fellow co-workers?  She was reporting what turned out to be criminal use of the library's computers by Chrisler, not her supervisor.  The library seems to have your basic fluid set of procedures when it comes to dealing with illegal use of the computers, so the supervisor could say, well I was in the position of having to make it up as she went along.  Then she could stick by her version of what was happening by saying that she thought Biesterfeld was trying to report adult porn and not child porn.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Chrisler is going to try an insanity defense.

ms sue.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:03:32 PM EST

none

don't you have to be exposing or uncovering some sort of criminal behavior or waste on the part of her fellow co-workers?  She was reporting what turned out to be criminal use of the library's computers by Chrisler, not her supervisor.

Oh, I know it's a stretch. But "Biesterfeld asked if she should call the police and was told not to." Couldn't it be argued that not reporting the possible crime was a crime and that the employee was, in essence, exposing said crime?

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Re: Chrisler is going to try an insanity defense.

MayorBob.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:20:57 PM EST

none

"Oh, I know it's a stretch. But "Biesterfeld asked if she should call the police and was told not to." Couldn't it be argued that not reporting the possible crime was a crime and that the employee was, in essence, exposing said crime?"

I guess it's possible.  A stretch, as you say, but I guess Biesterfeld and her lawyers from Jerry Falwell's outfit (that's Liberty Counsel) could press that button if they so choose.  I'm thinking a smart county executive might be able to resolve this situation to virtually everyone's satisfaction:

  1.  Give the library director a month or two to come up with a set of clear procedures on what to do in all future cases.

  2.  Give Biesterfeld her aide's position back with pay for the time she's been off the payroll.  If the termination was really a case of her supervisor trying to get back at her for calling the cops, then they have a good employee on the payroll and the library director can keep a close watch on how the supervisor interacts with Biesterfeld or, better yet, separate them.  If the case is that Biesterfeld really was a lousy employee, then sooner or later they'll probably be able to document a case away from the Chrisler affair to support firing her.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Chrisler is going to try an insanity defense.

logan.

Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:16:17 PM EST

5.00 (astute, interesting)

He must be insane if he thought he could use a computer in a public library to view child porn.  But, I don't think that rises to the level of a legal threshold for insanity

That's right, it doesn't. From wikipedia: In the United States a state of temporary mental impairment is not a defense...The insanity defense is based on evaluations by forensic professionals that the defendant was incapable of distinguishing between right and wrong at the time the offense was committed. In addition, some jurisdictions require that the evaluation address the issue of whether the defendant was able to control his behavior at the time of the offense.

Post-John Hinckley, Jr many US laws around the insanity plea were changed. Instead of the prosecution having to prove that the defendant is sane, the defendant's counsel must prove that he is insane in the legal sense. This isn't easy by any means: Jeffery Dahmer plead insanity but was found by a jury to be sane and guilty. This illustrates the difference between the legal and the layman's definitions of insanity: a cursory examination of the facts of Chef Jeff's case prove that while he may not have been legally insane he was fucking nuts.

Chrisler has no hope of an insanity defense unless he claimed at the time of his arrest that he was downloading porn at the library because the aliens who live in his eyebrow need it to keep Bigfoot from eating the Pope's liver. Claiming that he's a pedophile with an overwhelming urge to watch kiddie porn might satisfy the layman's definition of insanity ("Dude is nuts!"), but if he made any effort to cover his tracks (say, by tilting the monitor so the images couldn't be observed) it undercuts a claim that he didn't realize that what he was doing was considered wrong by society at large. Even such a claim backed up with a long history of treatment for his disorder and proof that his possession of illegal images was his attempt to prevent himself from actual contact with children wouldn't be enough to support an insanity plea.

After examining the facts of the case it's more likely that Chrisler is just really stupid. I mean, he went to the public library to download porn and got caught and warned not to do it again. He went back to the same library a week later and did the same exact thing. That's not evidence of insanity, it's evidence of stupidity.

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things.

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Re: Chrisler is going to try an insanity defense.

DEMachina.

Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 01:24:08 PM EST

none

Chrisler has no hope of an insanity defense unless he claimed at the time of his arrest that he was downloading porn at the library because the aliens who live in his eyebrow need it to keep Bigfoot from eating the Pope's liver.

Actually, even then he might still be hosed.  I dunno about California, but the general rule is knowing something is wrong, not doing it for a crazy reason.  So even if the scenario you mentioned is true, he'd have to show he didn't know that downloading child porn is wrong.  The other way is if he was too crazy to know he was downloading child porn (i.e. he thought those were pictures of the aforementioned aliens or something).

Q: What do you think of western civilization? Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.

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Yes There Is

uncarved block.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:56:33 PM EST

4.00 (informative)

Yet, there's the business of the favorable job rating she got six weeks ago

    Well, that's what Biester's lawyers are laying out there right now. The library says it can't produce the records for privacy reasons, and I have little reason to doubt this is true. (Just think about the can of worms if partial or even total release was an option-- it would be "privacy unless a lawsuit comes up", which is no privacy at all.) So if Biester has her copy of the paperwork, all her lawyers have to say to cover their asses is that she believed it was a favorable review, whether or not anyone else would be encouraged by it. If the goal is either to get her job back or else force some kind of financial settlement, then this is a win/win situation. It's aggressive advocacy, but then that's what you want from a good lawyer, eh? The Fresno Bee article mentions she's exploring a case against the county; make of that what you will.
    I couldn't tell that the library officials are changing their story so much as the county officials are-- or rather that different folks in the local government have different agendas when it comes to this situation. I worked for a small town library briefly, and while I was never "in the know", it was pretty obvious the city and county clashed more than once*. If there's a lot of money involved, I can see how alternate takes on this might be emerging from those willing to speak to the press.
    My hunch, and strictly a hunch, as to what's up with the termination? That the library system was trying to pinch pennies, and one way to do so was to keep a probationary worker at the post as long as possible-- which means Biester was due to be terminated no matter how well she worked, in order to save the library from offering her full benefits, or even partial ones. It would be a shitty thing to do, but I doubt there would be a dearth of applicants for the job, given how many folks I've met who day dreamed about working at a library one day. But again, this is just a hunch, and maybe too cynical by far.

     *It was about money, as usual. The library was purely a city library, but thanks to population growth, an ever expanding amount of city residents were outside the legal city limits, which meant paying $90 a year for a library card, versus free cards for city residents. Considering you could be under a mile away from the library and still not in the city limits, let's just say the local elected officials were hearing about it from parents. Problem was, the county extended into the Cascade mountains, and included a ski lodge and several businesses who were dead set against adding any more financial burden, like adding a library. Expanding the city limits was also tricky, because there were farms and cow pastures three blocks away from the city limits in many directions. Quite a mess for an otherwise quiet college town.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Yes There Is

port1080.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:39:40 PM EST

none

*It was about money, as usual. The library was purely a city library, but thanks to population growth, an ever expanding amount of city residents were outside the legal city limits, which meant paying $90 a year for a library card, versus free cards for city residents.

I've never understood why more libraries aren't organized on a county-wide (or some other regional) form of organization as opposed to narrow city limits. It strikes me that this is a much more effective way of managing holdings - you have one main library with the majority of the holdings, then relatively smaller branch libraries that carry new releases & books that would be heavily circulated. Where I grew up in Pennsylvania it's a mixed bag - some libraries operate regionally, others don't (my hometown library was just a one-town affair, but the next-closest big town had a regional library that was actually closer to me than my "hometown", so we often went there instead). My wife grew up in Pittsburgh, which has an excellent region-wide system that's all tied together. Where I live now in northern Delaware it also appears to be regional (although I must admit I haven't used the public libraries at all, yet - since I have access to my university's library the public libraries are more or less redundant). All in all the regional systems I've experienced have generally offered better service and just seem to give you more bang for the buck.

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Lack Of Vision

uncarved block.

Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:52:17 AM EST

none

    While I don't know the whole story, I suspect the source of the crisis in this case was similar to one that plagues a lot of the northwest-- namely, that those who built a lot of the infrastructure had no sense that the population in that area might double or even triple before what they were building was obsolete. The old roads in Portland and Seattle, for instances I know casually, suffer from this often. Stop signs on to freeways make (some) sense when there's just a couple of houses on the other end; when it's an entire subdivision, it turns into a major pain in the ass.
    So the Ellensburg library was probably set up as a city agency because nobody could imagine enough folks would move there to make it anything but slightly less desolate. When the entire tax base for the county was two cities, having the library be a county entity must have seemed redundant, silly even. And back then, the farmers were an even more dominant factor in local politics . . .
    OTOH, it's hard to spread the blame too heavily. I can't find the library founding date on line, but I suspect it was built during the mid-60s, meaning the problems I witnessed took around twenty years to materialize. You'd like planners to think that far ahead, but sometimes that causes more problems for the whole time than one or two crises down the line . . .

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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my experiences with child porn

wetkarma.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:08:12 PM EST

5.00 (informative, informative)

I've an intriguing hypothesis based on a nuanced reading of the case - first however  a little personal background.

In the early stages of my information security career I got sucked into a child porn investigation by accidentally discovering a multi-gig porn stash an employee had stored on a company workstation. Around 40% was "clearly" child porn, 20% could have been child porn, and the rest was vanilla naked adults.

One of the interesting questions put to me by senior management during the course of the investigation was "How do I know its child porn?". And if you stop and think about it -- its not an easy question to answer. A petite 18 year old dressed and shot from a certain angle can certainly look like a kid. The way I dealt with it was to say 'fine..look and judge for yourself- tell me that "model" is  a day over 10 years old' . The way the Feds deal with it however (and we did eventually involve them) is a bit more rigorous -- they assemble a database of known child porn images from prosecuted/current cases and then do digital file comparisons against suspect images.

I suspect that in this case what happened was that the guy had a collection of both adult and child porn images - similar to the person I busted.  A lot of time when you grab this type of content off usenet (internet forums), you use automated software which sucks whatever images are posted in the forum. It is entirely possible to inadvertently download child porn while downloading 'regular' porn.

From a legal standpoint of course this doesn't matter -- touching child porn regardless of reason is automatically illegal (which creates an interesting conundrum for former administrators like myself); what I suspect this guy will argue, (as the employee did) was that he didn't realize that there were child porn images/video in what he had stored and as evidence he'll say "If I knew it was child porn - something clearly illegal, I wouldn't have been handling the files in public at the library".

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: my experiences with child porn

DEMachina.

Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 01:14:21 PM EST

none

what I suspect this guy will argue, (as the employee did) was that he didn't realize that there were child porn images/video in what he had stored and as evidence he'll say "If I knew it was child porn - something clearly illegal, I wouldn't have been handling the files in public at the library".

This is tough, 'cause as you pointed out, I'm sure there're cases where this could possibly happen. If you frequent the likes of 4chan, for example; what if someone posts child porn to one of those but you don't know it until it's too late?  I imagine just downloading a thumbnail would be enough to land one in serious hot water.

This seems to happen more than people think.  There was a big bru-ha-ha at my school back in 2006 because some undergrad took his computer to the help desk and asked them to back up certain files, including a folder called "Kiddie Porn."  Needless to say he got busted.  How'd someone get into college but not be able to figure that one out?

Q: What do you think of western civilization? Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.

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Library ain't got a leg to stand on

Nameless Cynic.

Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 10:01:17 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

Essentially, the library is claiming that they terminated her for legitimate reasons.

But if she got a favorable job eval, they can't prove that. And if she was screwing up and they didn't document it, then they can't prove it twice.

The "can't release for policy reasons" is crap, too. She could sign a release in a second, and probably would, from the sounds of it.

She was the only person working at the library, except for her supervisor. (That's what I get from the LA Times account, anyhow.) So now they've left themselves shorthanded because they fired her for not following orders. An order, by the way, which (as somebody mentioned upthread) left them open to litigation. And (not sure on this) might have left her open to litigation, as in "She saw it, but failed to report it to anybody but her supervisor. And she should have known that the supervisor was wrong."

She needs to sue for damages. She might want to get her job back, but if it was me, I'd dust off my resume. Cause even if she got it back, there's no guarantee that she'd be able to keep it. (And this time, it would be documented.)

It's like "Night of the Living Republican." The idiots are right outside, and they want to eat your brain.

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Re: Library ain't got a leg to stand on

profwhat.

Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 10:47:23 AM EST

5.00 (astute, astute)

To be fair, everything we know about this case is what Biesterfeld and her lawyers have chosen to tell us.  We don't have the library's side at all, so we can't really say they don't have a leg to stand on.

It's not easy for an employee to sue an employer for being fired.  In America, you can generally be fired for any reason at all, with limited exceptions for things like race and sex and disability.  Public employees like Biesterfeld, and union employees, sometimes have it easier.  But the best argument Biesterfeld has is that she was fired for being a "whistleblower," except she didn't blow the whistle on her employer, and she may have a tough time proving that the reason she was fired is because she reported the child pornography, and not because of some other reason that the library has not yet chosen to reveal to the press.

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