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Steve Urkel.

Posted to Diary on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 04:07:16 PM EST. RSS.

Mass immigration doesn't payoff in the UK, either.

From the Telegraph:

"Ten years of record immigration to Britain has produced virtually no economic benefits for the country, a parliamentary inquiry has found.

A House of Lords committee, which is due to report next Tuesday, will call into question Government claims that foreign workers add £6 billion each year to the wealth of the nation.

 It is expected to say this must be balanced against the increase in population and their use of local services such as health and education, resulting in little benefit per head of the population.

"Our overall conclusion is that the economic benefits of net immigration to the resident population are small and close to zero in the long run," the report will say.

The findings of the Lords economics committee threaten to demolish the key argument made by ministers to justify the highest levels of immigration in the country's history."

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Steve Urkel.

Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 04:54:56 PM EST

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"My mother hanged herself in the house she lived in all her life, in Southall, west London, a town that had changed beyond all recognition. It is today the least white place in the whole of Britain.

She wrote in her suicide note: "I hate Southall, I feel so alone."

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keta.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:50:40 AM EST

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You remind me of the cartoon character who, legs spinning like racing car wheels, leaps into the air and goes nowhere.

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Steve Urkel.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:31:40 PM EST

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What goes nowhere is expecting an argument which justifies immigration policies that is rational and is not predicated on lies.

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For the sake of argument

Lou.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:35:03 PM EST

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What would you define as a rational immigration policy?

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Steve Urkel.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:43:14 PM EST

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How about one that actually benefits the natives of the country the immigrants are coming to?

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Lou.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:45:54 PM EST

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How about one that actually benefits the natives of the country the immigrants are coming to?

And short of making the newcomers slaves, how would that happen?

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keta.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 03:24:28 PM EST

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Yes, a suicide in 1987 by a mad woman is an excellent and totally rational way to point up bad immigration policies.

Jesus.

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Steve Urkel.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 08:38:36 PM EST

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I threw that in to provide a little human interest. Feel free to rationally address the "no economic benefits".

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JimmyHavok.

Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 09:41:10 PM EST

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Take a hint, Gordon.  The hardware store has everything you need.

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Lou.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:28:05 PM EST

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My mother moved us away from her lifetime friends and family in New York to a completely alien environment in Florida.  Florida is nothing like NY...but my mom made new friends and ultimately did pretty well until the cancer killed her.  What was your point?

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Steve Urkel.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:37:30 PM EST

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The point is entire countries are being transformed, and for what?

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Lou.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:45:00 PM EST

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And the counterpoint is that countries are always being transformed.  Yes, it can be painful (just ask the former residents of the Roman Empire), sad, and confusing.  But it happens.  Shit, there are plenty of things that confuse and sadden me about this modern world.  To paraphrase Skeeter..."Change Happens".

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Steve Urkel.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:24:07 PM EST

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How is that a "counterpoint"? And mass immigration isn't something that "happens" on its own. This is being done deliberately.
 

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Lou.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:27:48 PM EST

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Deliberately by whom?

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tomc.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:07:57 PM EST

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Yes, I echo Lou's comment.

Immigration just happens unless something is done to prevent it (which comes with it's own problems), or filter it (which also has its own problems).  Right now, the US does a bit of both, and frankly I'm personally really pissed off about how they do things.

But, other than areas where immigration is encouraged due to lack of skills, where is mass immigration being encouraged?

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Steve Urkel.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 04:56:36 PM EST

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"other than areas where immigration is encouraged due to lack of skills"

What does that mean?

The governments of the US and the UK have been encouraging immigration for decades. The UK is required by the EU to accept immigrants, and there's been no enforcement against illegal immigrants. In the US the current president is pro-immigration. Obama and Clinton are pro-immigration. McCain was pro-immigration, now he's pretending not to be until he gets elected.

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tomc.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 06:11:16 PM EST

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What does it mean?

Sorry, I should have made myself more clear.

I meant to say that US immigration policy allows people in who bring needed skills to this country.  Like me.  I think it's because of my erudition.

As far as this administration being pro-immigration, I won't get into details in a public forum, but after spending many years in the US, I still do not have landed immigrant status.  And I can pick strawberries faster than anyone.

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Steve Urkel.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 08:33:33 PM EST

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Last year:

"The nation's immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached a record of 37.9 million...  

Immigrants account for one in eight U.S. residents, the highest level in 80 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13."

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thefadd.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:11:05 PM EST

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If people should be free to carry fire arms, why shouldn't they be free to travel where ever they want?

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Steve Urkel.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:21:16 PM EST

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So the entire third world should be allowed to move to the United States?

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Lou.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:32:51 PM EST

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Now really, Gord.  Is the entire third world coming to the US?  If that were so, imagine how much it would cost for folks to keep flying back and forth to their terrorist training camps.  Seriously dude...sometimes you are so impractical.

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tomc.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:02:41 PM EST

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My mother hanged herself in the house she lived in all her life, in Southall, west London, a town that had changed beyond all recognition. It is today the least white place in the whole of Britain.

Sure, but at least you can get a decent falafel nowadays.

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Lou.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:48:39 PM EST

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I've never had falafel...is it good?  What is it like?

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tomc.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 06:02:31 PM EST

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A really good falafel is juicy, not dry: chick pea flour made into balls, deep-fried, then served wrapped in pita bread with a bit of tomato, maybe tabouleh, and smothered with garlic sauce.

Yum!

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thefadd.

Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 12:34:45 PM EST

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Falafel is great. There used to be this really good falafel place over by Melrose and LaCienega. You could get a beer and a good meal for under $10 which was amazing for the area...and probably why it closed.

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Steve Urkel.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 09:05:05 PM EST

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Because of immigration London has become the tuberculosis capital of Europe

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Another wild hypothesis

Lou.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:44:47 PM EST

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Just 55% of PCTs in England routinely screen new immigrants,

Just sayin'.

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Lou.

Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 03:11:38 PM EST

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I mean really...what the fuck next?  These immigrants take our jobs, strain our services, make white people uncomfortable...now they're taking morgue space away from the long suffering natives!

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