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All Bangers, No Mash? UK Rolls Out Biometric National ID Card

wetkarma.

Posted to Politics on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 09:10:31 PM EST (promoted by 1fastdog). RSS.

The plans have been announced, the decision made. First they'll single out the Jews, foreigners, academics, and those who want party jobs. And after all of this, what will you do when they come for you?

Hysteria you say.

At least that's one spin for those who are against the UK's recently announced national ID program. A less hysterical approach however would be that the UK is attempting to create a centralized database containing key personal identity data on everyone who lives/comes within its borders. The database would be accessible by 256 government organizations and as many as 48,000 private sector organizations under the national ID program. No accountability standards for malicious/unauthorized use of the data have been delineated, and there are no plans to address issues of identity theft or data corruption.

Perhaps it's not so clear which is the "hysterical" approach, after all.

Similar to the REAL ID program being discussed in the USA - the UK is selling the national identity card as a "security measure" which will keep terrorists out, make it easier to obtain things like bank accounts, fight identity theft and provide readily accessible portable medical information. If this seems like a bit of a hodge-podge, that's because the announced government goals of such a program have constantly changed in order to craft a message acceptable to British consumption based on negative feedback.

Tags: written by wetkarma, edited by 1fastdog, national ID card, UK, security, biometrics (all tags)

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I'm not happy about this

3fingerspointback.

Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 05:26:13 AM EST

5.00 (informative, brilliant, brilliant)

How can I be happy about it, when I have to wear a neutral expression when they take my photo?

REAL ID is a security blanket, and at its very best will make no difference at all.  As already noted, the real terrorists got in to the US legally.  The entities that knew they were here did not share this information with the grid, and they STILL don't put the names of the real troublemakers on such lists, because that information can be viewed by people and governments we haven't decided are our Best Friends yet.  As for preventing the Bad Guys from getting a car or a gun--are they going to make craigslist advertisers and criminal fences* use REAL ID?  And if I want people to know my medical information I'll wear it on my wrist like God intended.

Where this system will really shine is when it comes time for the cops to fuck with you when you annoy the people who pay them or pay them off.  Think it's annoying getting that phished computer order off your credit report?  Try that out with a spurious Megan's Law entry.

* not mutually exclusive classifications

(is 3fingerspointback)

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The Sisyphean Theorum Of Technology

thefadd.

Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 09:43:47 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

Any modification to a system which increases the faith of individuals in that system to not be hacked, will lower the guard of the system's physical gatekeepers in an equal and opposite amount so that the likelihood that any given system will be hacked stays the same.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Do it, but do it right

port1080.

Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:34:32 AM EST

none

I'm not a big fan of national IDs, but I do think some of the opposition to them is a little hysterical. If someone wants to steal your identity, it's easy enough already to do so. If anything, having a single ID standard will make it a bit harder, I would think. Ditto for state surveillance fears - this hurdle was already jumped years ago (in the US, anyway, not sure about the UK situation) when it became generally acceptable (even if it's technically not supposed to happen) to use social security #'s as identifiers. I would much rather see us shift to a system where it became completely illegal to use the horridly insecure / difficult to tie to a particular person social security # as an identifier, and instead everyone had a national ID # tied to a photo ID and some other biometric information. Perhaps this leads to the feared police state, but on the other hand it becomes much harder to steal an identity when your ID number is tied to, at the very least, your photo and some identifying hair color / eye color / height characteristics.

Still, if we're going to do this, we need to do it right. The US REAL ID act and this UK solution both seem to be half assed efforts. First, there needs to be well defined accountability standards for everyone with access to the ID database and court oversight over how the data is used. I would also like to see a firewall between the database and law enforcement - the government shouldn't just be able to troll through the database for people matching a certain description or what have you. This is why I'm very, very leary about tying fingerprint or DNA data to the cards, even though this may in theory make the cards a bit more "secure". Second, there needs to be a way for people who can't easily meet the requirements to go through a process and have a card issued to them (for example, as it stands right now a legal immigrant in the US from, say, Somalia, who can't get a government issued birth certificate because his/her government no longer exists and/or the records were probably all destroyed anyway, if they were even made in the first place, cannot get a REAL ID compliant ID issued in the US, and hence will never be allowed to enter Federal buildings, etc. once this goes into effect - so how would such a person even be able to apply for asylum, I wonder?). I also wonder about other implications of the REAL ID act - say you're subpoenaed before a Federal Court or before Congress but you don't have a REAL ID - will you be held in contempt if security doesn't let you in? This is the kind of stuff that needs to be though through before we do something like this. Finally, it should never, ever be a requirement that you have your ID on you at all times. My feeling is that the best way to use an ID like this is to say, okay, you have an ID, so therefore you are subjected to a somewhat lower level of security. People who do not have an ID are allowed to do essentially the same things, but just are subjected to more security first. I know this isn't perfect, but I think it's a reasonable compromise.

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Re: Do it, but do it right

pO157.

Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 07:52:18 AM EST

5.00 (interesting, astute, astute)

First, there needs to be well defined accountability standards for everyone with access to the ID database and court oversight over how the data is used. I would also like to see a firewall between the database and law enforcement - the government shouldn't just be able to troll through the database for people matching a certain description or what have you. This is why I'm very, very leary about tying fingerprint or DNA data to the cards, even though this may in theory make the cards a bit more "secure".

If a National ID card data bank was created with the explicit rules that the information contained not be used for law enforcement and given all that has happened lately do you honestly believe that the government will not come up with some 24-esque excuse to go in and mine that databank? Come on. Five minutes after it is booted up and storing data there will be a back door put into it that we would probably only end up hearing about after somebody on the inside leaked it. Sure, you'll complain then but we all know how difficult it is to get a bad program overturned once it is ensconced in the bureaucracy. They'll just keep issuing endless "Temporary" extensions while it gets "reviewed" and no politician will have the guts to stand up against it, because, well, that would give the other side a nice sound-bite to use during the next re-election campaign. Anyway, if you are not hiding anything, what do you have to fear?

My jurisdiction recently passed a law that allows DAs and attorney generals to issue administrative warrants if a judge is "not available" in a suspected case of child porn/molestation. In this day and age of instant communication people honestly buy that it is possible there will be times where judges will disappear for hours on end while at the same time a kid goes missing and Jack Bauer runs around screaming in the background "YOU'VE GOT TO ACT NOW! WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME?!" Come on. How long until this gets extended to a wide variety of crimes and offenses? How long until "Well, you know, all those judges they go play poker at their country club 5 miles away and it's totally a toll call and we heard from this totally reliable anonymous source that only had a small bit of laughter in the background that port1080 was growing some righteous Mexican Red in his basement so we just decided to administrate us up a warrant and get the narcs with anger management problems and failed marriages to bust the door down with the armored battering ram that we just got with the latest anti-terrorism grant."

Executive power is accumulating unchecked in this nation. It is a bad idea to go around saying "Well, I'd support it if there were restrictions on how it was used" even after we have learned that this administration (and probably many more that follow it) cannot be taken at their word. I used to be that naive, and frankly it scares the heck out of me.

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Re: Do it, but do it right

port1080.

Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 11:15:09 AM EST

none

I agree with you, but I guess my point is that they can do this stuff already for the most part. They can already data mine information about legal citizens based on your SS#. How much more leverage does this national ID give them?

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Just a question about REAL ID.

MayorBob.

Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 06:02:26 PM EST

none

Is it or is it not the case that all of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US legally?  If this is the case, how does having a REAL ID system accomplish a compelling state purpose?  That should really be the rationale for having this, or any other, national ID system.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Just a question about REAL ID.

port1080.

Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 01:29:49 PM EST

none

They all entered legally but many of them overstayed their visas once they got here and some left and then came back illegally. As you note, though, the matter of ID really wasn't much of an issue in their cases. However, false IDs have been used by other terrorists - for example, according to this (sadly prescient - it was written in Feb 2001) article, both the 1993 WTC bombers and the Oklahoma City bombers used fake IDs to pick up their rental vehicles.

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Re: Just a question about REAL ID.

MayorBob.

Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 06:33:16 AM EST

4.50 (interesting, astute)

I guess another concern I have regarding REAL ID that it stopped being a national security issue the minute the federal government backed off of funding it in anyway.  Essentially this program, so vital for the national defense and security, has been pushed downward to the state's to fund and implement.  If this is indeed so critical to the continued wellbeing of the US, why doesn't the federal government set up a separate line in the budget to fund it?  The intent is to have a single standard of identification across the entirety of the US, why are they relying upon state and local authorities in the 50 states, DC, Puerto Rico, and elsewhere under federal jurisdiction to come up with their own design for a REAL ID?  Won't this lead to a hodgepodge of different cards of different utility?

 

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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