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A Brief Tour of Our Legal Revisions

Board of Directors.

Posted to Legal on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 01:58:45 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Long ago, we managed to hash out a set of Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws that we intended to submit when TnT became a nonprofit corporation.  Before we proceeded, it was agreed that we would find a real lawyer to look over these documents and offer advice.  At long last, we have managed to do just that.  If there are no objections, we intend to file with the requested changes applied.

The new proposed Articles of Incorporation is simply a change in boilerplate, from the Nolo version to one preferred by our lawyer.  The Nolo text was a little old, and some of it was redundant with respect to California law.  The replacement text contains a minimal amount of content, because anything we might want to change in this document will require us to get the Government of California involved.  What is left is our corporate statement of purpose, plus the text required to meet 501(c)(3) compliance.

The proposed changes to our Bylaws are best viewed as a diff against our original base version.  There are four types of changes made:  Clarifications of original text, procedural changes, boilerplate replacement, and a few additions.

The only big procedural change is in the way we select new Directors:  Rather than have Directors nominate interim successors, we would use a Nominating Committee.  The rights of members have also been explicitly delineated to what is outlined in the Bylaws and not the Corporations Code.

Boilerplate was swapped in the bylaws to describe meetings in 2.06, quorum in 3.09, action without a meeting at 3.10, and the Indemnification section in Article V.

Most of the rest of the additions to the Bylaws are rules that already exist in the California Code.  This includes the new sections 3.17 and 3.18, and the whole of Article XI.  It is currently the understanding of everyone involved that the restatement of nonpartisanship in section 11.07 will only apply to activities undertaken as a corporation:  Rich Dubielzig could promote a candidate as much as he wanted using the user handle "3fingerspointback", but not in any posting under "Board of Directors" or using TnT funds.

Unless any further objections can be found to these documents, it is our intent to vote to adopt them and file for incorporation next week.

(RD)

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Re: A Brief Tour of Our Legal Revisions

pO157.

Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:08:22 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

To be a "member" of this "corporation" do we have to "identify" "ourselves"? If so, how? If not, why not?

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joshv.

Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:03:15 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

This came up in the previous discussions of this topic and I'd like to nip any confusion in the bud:

  1. Yes, we have to record the name and address of all members of the corporation, under California law.  This makes sense as we have a legal requirement to notify members for annual meetings and such.

  2. There will be no association between TnT user names and the real world identities of TnT members.  You could have no TnT user account, one account, or five, it doesn't matter, and the Board won't ask.  The Board will only know that "Bob Jones" at such an such an address has paid his dues, we will never know which TnT user account, if any, Bob is associated with.

The sole exception here is the "good works" provision of the by-laws that allows the Board to confer membership on those who have made a significant contribution to TnT, in lieu of paying membership dues.  As that contribution would most likely have occurred under a TnT username, it's hard to imagine how the user could accept the membership without revealing their identity to the Board.  But it's entirely up to the user to accept or decline such an offer of membership.

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port1080.

Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:40:10 PM EST

none

As annoying as it is, it's pretty clear too that members would have to identify themselves to prevent double voting and other shenanigans.  Without some provision for identifying voters, there's really nothing to stop someone from just signing up for twenty or thirty or however many accounts and stuffing the ballot boxes.  It's unfortunate, but there just doesn't seem to be any good way around it.

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pO157.

Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:07:24 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

The reverse strategy is how I would guarantee my anonymity if I was paranoid. Become a member and then create an army of "members" which exist only on paper. Possibly names out of the phone book. Pay the dues for them and they just would exist only to turn attention away from the real me. Since voting is anonymous there would be no way to determine who actually voted and thus was real. That way if anybody wanted to track down who I was they would have to sort through 10, 20, 500 fake, but real sounding, names in the membership registry.

Sadly, such a strategy is probably akin to entering a false business document and probably a crime. It's too bad.

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thefadd.

Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 02:00:28 PM EST

none

I don't see where it would be a crime. You're just buying your neighbors free subscriptions to Trees and Things, Inc. I've been trying to not to make the comparison in this thread but I just can't hold out any longer...three...two...it'd be like buying your friends npr memberships. They don't necessarily even listen to the radio. Now, if you got them all mail boxes etc boxes so you could rig the voting that would probably be mail fraud, the ultimate internet sock puppetry and pretty much the lamest thing ever. But if you just signed them all up and paid all their dues, I don't think anyone could really complain.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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But then it could be like voting in Cook County.

MayorBob.

Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:52:32 PM EST

none

Vote early and vote often. As I value my real life obscurity, I'll just continue to soldier on nondescriptly.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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shudder

DEMachina.

Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 07:36:27 AM EST

none

I'm taking corporations this semester, so that post brought back terrible memories.

Although it helps that y'all out there in Californ-eye-ae do everything all strange-like, so I couldn't try to analyze the implications of what y'all are doing if I wanted to.  Seriously, I had to investigate your small loan laws the other day, and it took me hours to get through all the redundant crap.  L2 draft statutes!

Q: What do you think of western civilization? Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.

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Revisions are now accepted

3fingerspointback.

Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:03:38 PM EST

none

As of last night.  There was some concern over some of the legal boilerplate that was added, that appeared to commit us to buying liability insurance (something that would cost about twice as much per year as it does to host TnT).  However, a second look at the code found that essentially, as long as TnT remains small enough that insurance is relatively expensive, it is not required.

(is 3fingerspointback)

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