I was making a funny, but do you really think there would be no guacamole without mass immigration from Mexico?

Having had the unfortunate experience of eating Mexican food in New York 15 years ago before the mass Mexican exodus to New York, I can definitely say there would be no good guacomole without real Mexicans.  

Even now, Mexican food in New York is a risky cuisine adventure.  Comparing that to getting New Mexican Mexican food, Tex-Mex, LA Mexican, or San Franciscan Mexican, I vote in favor of more Mexicans in New York.  Besides, as thefadd points out, there wouldn't even be a restaurant industry in many places without Mexican immigrants these days.

I don't understand that logic - because there has been immigration at times in the past, we can never limit immigration in the future?

There are tangible negative consequences from immigration and diveristy. Why are the supposed benefits always so vague?

You asked what the benefits of immigration are.  I was in essence saying that there wouldn't be a U.S. as we now know it without immigrants since every single person, with the exception of Native Americans, are descendents of immigrants.  America is, in effect, the sum of contributions by immigrants, whether one means the Puritan immigrants or the most recent immigrants.  

Immigration has been limited and is currently limited.  There is a long history of different immigration laws whether intended to invite immigrants or to deter immigrants from specific nations.  For instance, America has not always been receptive to the Irish, Italians, Asians, East Europeans, or Jewish immigrants.

If you wish for very specific examples of immigrant contributions, you might consider that Einstein was an immigrant from Germany.  

In my personal circle of friends who are immigrants, I note the following:
3 writers who have published books
1 dentist
1 architect
6 lawyers
4 in high finance
1 nurse specializing in heart surgery
1 DJ
1 doctor
1 textile designer
1 fashion designer
2 data architects

In other words, they are like everyone else  and have the potential and the ability to contribute meaningfully to America.

"every single person, with the exception of Native Americans, are descendents of immigrants."

Most Americans were born here, and are descended from people born here, and your friends are not typical immigrants.  

Most Americans were born here, and are descended from people born here, and your friends are not typical immigrants.

I didn't know that American family trees stopped at one generation.  What a shame.

Of course my friends are typical immigrants.  They came over as kids with parents who had very little money, didn't speak English, and worked an assortment of jobs while the kids went to inner-city schools.  The kids used the situation of being poor as fuel to drive themselves to college and then onto careers.  This stuff has been going on in America for ages.  Nothing new.

They majority of immigrants have low skills and low educational attainment. This pattern persists with their children. That's what's new and going on now. I'm unable to figure out how America benefits from this.  

They majority of immigrants have low skills and low educational attainment.

Oh, the irony.

Immigration increases fears of sabotage. Look at the protests by Chinese of the Dalai Lamas recent visit and involving the Olympic torch. How loyal are those people to the US?

Probably not enough to fight and die for the USA, but not enough to fight and die against the USA either.  I'm not sure that relationship holds at all.  If it did, we should be seeing a lot more fearmongering than we do, about a lot more ethnic groups.

Since you are Jewish, I'm curious if you think increased diversity is good because it makes Jews "safer"?

Cultural diversity has correlated well with the safety of Jews throughout history.  The Jewish population of Israel is diverse enough that there's no guarantee two Jewish citizens can communicate with each other.

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"Cultural diversity has correlated well with the safety of Jews throughout history"

I'm curious*, do you think Jewish people are the only people entitled to pursue a group interest, or can other people do it is a well? Meaning is it acceptable for white Americans to reject diversity, because it doesn't benefit them?

*And only that, curious. I'm not sure how my tone is coming across, but I'm not trying to draw out certain responses from you so I can then launch an attack or anything.

Of course it is; I'm talking with Steve Urkel.  Just wondering what sort of deep and abiding connections tie these people you refer to as white Americans?  Certainly not connection to any one religion, like the Jews.  Certainly not some sort of familial pattern, like a matrilineal descendancy, like the more orthodox Jews.  What leads you to believe that this notion of white Americanism hasn't been diluted over time by intermarriage with "other" races and ethnic groups?  Finally, are you ready to run down to the Castro and embrace all the white faces you run across there as your brother, Steve?  Aren't many homosexualists also white Americans?

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Do you react the same way when blacks and latinos who speak in group terms, or only when whites do? A lot of whites have common interests, and even whites who won't admit that prefer living around other whites to living around other races. There's no need to get hysterical about it.

"Certainly not some sort of familial pattern, like a matrilineal descendancy"

Do you ever attack Jews for having prejudiced views on miscegenation?

I'm curious*, do you think Jewish people are the only people entitled to pursue a group interest, or can other people do it is a well? Meaning is it acceptable for white Americans to reject diversity, because it doesn't benefit them?

I've got to answer that one with a big "mu".  There are plenty of pro-Jewish policies in place in Israel that I don't think Jews are "entitled" to pursue, as they are tyrannical to non-Jews now, and will be disastrous for the state in the long run.  The whole idea that the Jewish people should pursue a group interest, a.k.a. Zionism, is a relatively young one, and it didn't help that its proponents weren't even in agreement of what that was supposed to mean beyond a Jewish state in the Middle East.

If white Americans want to only patronize white businesses, cultivate white friends, read white authors, and sing songs about whites, I don't see any reason to stop them.  If white Americans want to stop nonwhites from buying houses in certain places, I have a problem with that.

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