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Our Next Corporate Retreat Will Be In Gitmo.

MayorBob.

Posted to Business on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 04:38:40 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

His former bosses are calling it a "training incident" that went poorly. Chad Hudgens calls it torture, enough to take his former employer to court over what happened. His ex-employer is saying a). Chad voluntarily participated in the exercise, and b). it really wasn't all that bad.

Hudgens used to work for Prosper, Inc. in Provo, Utah. Prosper sells training (they call it mentoring) in a variety of areas like real estate sales, stock market investing and entrepreneurship. Although the company says they're doing quite well, Hudgens sales team was going through a rough patch last May. Hudgens' supervisor, Joshua Christopherson, decided the time was ripe for a little initiative booster. So, he had the team assemble and he picked Hudgens to be the subject of a training exercise - waterboarding.

There is no dispute between Hudgens and Prosper that he was waterboarded. The company claims Hudgens was a willing volunteer - he disputes that. The company claims that the incident wasn't as bad as Hudgens lawsuit claims - he contends it was much worse than he can begin to express. Chad claims he was forcibly held down while another team member poured a bucket of water down his throat and up his nose. He claims he tried to get the exercise to stop and he came close to passing out during it. After the exercise was done, Chistopherson said to the rest of the team:

"You saw how hard Chad fought for air right there. I want you to go back inside and fight that hard to make sale."
Prosper claims that, while the exercise was rough and unauthorized, it didn't rise to the level of torture. The company's general counsel George Brunt wants everyone to understand this is not what the company is all about and states "I don't know if this would even be an issue if it weren't for Guantanamo Bay." Prosper's president Dave Ellis asks: "How many times did the CIA even do waterboarding? Three times?" Brunt, being more of a realist than Ellis admits this could damage Prosper's image. Regardless of whatever damage might be done to Prosper's image, Ellis plans on fighting the lawsuit, saying it views the claim for (US)$10,000 as a "shakedown for money."

Hudgen's lawyer, Sean Egan, claims that Prosper took no action in response to Hudgens' complaint to Human Resources after the incident. Ellis claims the company conducted a "thorough investigation." Ellis pointed out the company had recently been recognized as among the state's best employers (scroll to pg 16 of pdf doc), "this is nothing like how we treat our employees."

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by MayorBob, waterboarding, team building, Guantanamo Bay (all tags)

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Re: Our Next Corporate Retreat Will Be In Gitmo.

thefadd.

Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 08:01:39 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant, astute)

Sounds pretty much like what some macho a-holes in sales would do. Ten grand seems like chump change for this kind of thing. If it's not really torture, they should just let Hudgens do it back to them. That'd be worth more than $10k to me.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Our Next Corporate Retreat Will Be In Gitmo.

postillion.

Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 10:02:05 PM EST

none

It seems to me that whether or not it's legally "torture" doesn't matter.  After all, the voluntary participant only found out that he what happened was "waterboarding" after talking about it with a friend.  

What matters, in my opinion, is that the employee underwent what amounted to a life-threatening ordeal at the hands of his manager.  Even if the manager didn't know that it was waterboarding, that the manager did not adequately consider that he could have killed or permanently brain-damaged the employee with such an act shows that the manager does not have any judgment.  As such, the manager is a liability to the company.

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Re: Our Next Corporate Retreat Will Be In Gitmo.

MayorBob.

Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 10:47:12 PM EST

none

But the company has circled the wagons and they swear the manager is the nicest guy you could ever imagine, which leads me to a couple possibilities:

  1. Hudgens was not a very valued employee and was probably going to be let go anyway for any number of reasons the company can come up with, or

  2. Utah is a state where the legal cards are stacked way in favor of the employer in most disputes.  I mean if $10,000 is all Hudgens is asking for, it would seem that Prosper is really taking a chance that Hudgens might catch a sympathetic judge or jury, or

  3. Dave Ellis, the company president, is really one of those phenomenally assholish types who believes once he makes a business decision, there is no force on earth that will move him off the mark, or

  4. Christopherson, the manager, has 8 by 10 glossies of Dave Ellis in bed with live animals or dead human beings (oh, you know that eggnog they served at the company Xmas party was really toxic).

 

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Big picture

Lou.

Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:00:33 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

Hey, at least if Hudgens had died, he would have provided a valuable lesson to the other sales folks, who would have then gone out and sold more and then kept the wheels of this big ol' economy rolling.  His death, in the service of capitalism, would not have been in vain.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Prosper's New Company Motto:

MayorBob.

Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:11:12 PM EST

none

Win one for the dripper.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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That, sniff, was inspiring.

MayorBob.

Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:30:31 AM EST

none

I think you need to kick off that insurance shtick and go into mentoring.  Or, at least you might want to think about delivering funeral orations.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Prosper is a bunch of scam artists

JimmyHavok.

Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 03:33:31 AM EST

none

They sell "mentoring?" Give me a break, they sell hot air, and their salespeople know it.  That means Hudgens was a scam artist too, since he was quite willing to supervise a team selling hot air.

Given that he's a scam artist, he's a pretty cheesy one, since anyone with two neurons would understand that an assault like that is worth millions...although I doubt that Prosper has millions, or an insurance policy worth millions.  I suspect Hudgens decided $10K was the best shut-up money he could get out of them, based on what he knew about the company.  If he went bigger and won (inevitably) they'd never pay, so he'd have wasted his time.  But $10K is a reasonable enough sum that they'd be likely to be able to afford it just to make him go away.

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