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Ben Stein And Intelligent Design: Truth Sings The Devolution Blues

1fastdog.

Posted to Media on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:40:52 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

In his new movie, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, Ben Stein decides to take a page from the Michael Moore school of film-making in his attempt to debunk evolution and the science community that teaches it. Moore has often been accused of not telling the whole story, and it seems as if Stein has fallen into an even more extreme version of disingenuous documentary film-making than Moore has yet taken.

Ben Stein travels the world on his quest and learns an awe-inspiring truth that bewilders him, then angers him, and then spurs him to action! His heroic and at times shocking journey confronting the world's top scientists, educators, and philosophers underscores the persecution of the many by an elite few regarding the rejection of Darwinism. Ben realizes that he has been "expelled," and that educators and scientists are being ridiculed, denied tenure, and even fired--for the "crime" of merely believing that there might be evidence of "design" in nature, and that perhaps life is not just the result of accidental, random chance. (Rocky Mountain Pictures)

Sounds like the subject's ripe for appraisal doesn't it, with all that firing, expelling, ridiculing, and denied tenuring going on? Problem is, Stein's tactics are disingenuous at best and outright untruthful at worst.  Several scientists interviewed in the movie were under the impression they were filming something else:

P.Z. Myers, a biologist at the University of Minnesota, Morris, said the producers pulled a "Borat"-style switcheroo after arranging his participation in a project called "Crossroads: The Intersection of Science and Religion."

"They played it up as a serious discussion with different points of view -- like a slightly boring documentary on 'Nova,' " he said. "Instead, we get a propaganda film portraying scientists as Nazis."

Among the other underhanded tactics now coming to the surface with the release of the film are:
Interviews with some folks were edited to make it look like Stein was conducting the interview - he wasn't.
The beginning and ending of the film features Stein supposedly lecturing to a full audience at a college hall concerning intellectual freedom, a topic that given the location should've inspired massive attendance. Instead, the producers had to resort to paying extras to fill the seats:

the college lecture hall scenes where Stein speaks to a rapt audience about dangers to intellectual freedom, which bookend the film, were staged. Mathis admitted the company paid extras to play audience members, but did not see how that ploy might damage the film's credibility.

Other problems include selective quoting of Darwin to advance those who support evolution as Nazis or Stalinists. And the claims of those whom were supposedly fired from the both Smithsonian Institute and from George Mason University for their religious/Intelligent Design beliefs are so shakey as to be apparently false.
Scientific American has a list of problems entitled Six Things Ben Stein Doesn't Want You To Know, that underscores the falsities of Ben's venture into documentary film-making. Adding to the umbrella of bad actions were the implications that Stein and company didn't acquire proper rights to several of the songs used in the movie, including John Lennon's Imagine. And if they were acquired, they were done so by hoodwinking the artists involved. The Killers, whose song "All these Things That I Have Done," was acquired for the movie under the pretense that it was to be a movie about academic freedom:

Okay, new update. This is getting so strange... here is what the head administrator over at the official Killers forum just posted:

"I just spoke to the band's manager, and adding to the confusion was the fact that they did authorize a project months ago with this request:

Quote:
'The film is a satirical documentary with an estimated running time of 1 hour and 50 minutes, exploring academic freedom in public schools and government institutions with actor, comedian, economist, Ben Stein as the spokesperson.'

What they authorized was a documentary about 'academic freedom in schools', not the film that the producers produced.

They contacted the producers of the film to ask that the song be removed but it is too late. Unfortunately it was misrepresented to them when the request came through to use it. Add this band to a long line of people who were misled by the producers of this film."

Not surprisingly, a website that shines a light on the underhanded shenanigans has popped up.
Lest you think that nobody appreciates Stein's movie, at least one reviewer thinks it's marvelous:

Ben Stein's extraordinary presentation documents how the worlds of science and academia not only crush debate on the origins of life, but also crush the careers of professors who dare to question the Darwinian hypothesis of evolution and natural selection....
....Everyone should take the opportunity to see "Expelled" -- if nothing else, as a bracing antidote to the atheism-friendly culture of PC liberalism. But it's far more than that. It's a spotlight on the arrogance of this movement and its leaders, a spotlight on the choking intolerance of academia, and a spotlight on the ignorance of so many who say so much, yet know so very little.

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Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design: Truth Sings

skeeter1.

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:39:43 AM EST

5.00 (interesting, astute)

At one time, I used to like Ben Stein, but no longer.  I'm a life-long scientist (biology, medical technology, anthropology, chemistry), and although I'm also an arm-chair Christian, I firmly believe in evolution.  The whole intelligent design thing has not one shred of science in it whatsoever.  It was something conjured up in 1989 to try to give the creationists new-found credibility.  There is no science involved with the idea.  Go ahead and agree with it if you like, but count me out.  I certainly won't be seeing "Expelled".

there's only one way to find out...

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My problem with ID

joshv.

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:03:24 AM EST

5.00 (interesting, astute, interesting)

If complex things require a designer, the designer must itself be even more complex than the thing designed, and thus must in turn require a designer.  We then have an infinite regression of ever more complex designers - a clearly ridiculous result I doubt many IDers would support, and yet their logic leads directly to it.

If you want to insist that there is a god that made everything, do just that - claim that it exists, that it made everything, and then stop.  Don't look for scientific or logical support for your claim.  And please don't claim that people who believe such things are scientific or logical.

As for professional "persecution".  I believe we should treat people who profess their belief in ID the same way we would treat a person who professes a strong and public belief in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunner, or the FSM.  If such a belief is inconsistent with their job duties, or indicates a failure of reasoning abilities that would impact their ability to do their job, they should be fired.  

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Truthiness croaks

JimmyHavok.

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:56:06 PM EST

5.00

The trailer they've been showing on TV makes it pretty obvious what kind of a piece of garbage the movie is: the Darwinists are played by disheveled old men with lunatic eyes.

Apparently Ben Stein was as afraid of having an unvetted audience at the premiere as he was of having one at his "lecture."  The producers expelled PZ Myers, who was interviewed in the film, not just from the movie, but from the mall where the movie was being played.

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Ho Hum

keta.

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 06:02:43 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

More bullshit from those that believe in a Big Kahuna, and how they're persecuted for their efforts.

Fuck 'em all.

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Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

arromdee.

Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:13:39 AM EST

4.50 (brilliant, interesting)

What I find amusing about this is that now non-rightwingers have to admit that Michael Moore isn't telling the truth, just because a right-wing nut came up with a movie that used similar tactics.  There were some interviews on the Skepticality podcast about this movie not long ago and one scientist spontaneously mentioned Michael Moore's inaccuracies in comparison.

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ok I'll bite

thefadd.

Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 02:06:10 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

When didn't Michael Moore tell the truth? He spins things his way like any media maven but he also documents all his points. Despite his asserting controversial facts relating to relevant public issues and figures, he's never been so much as sued an court for any perceived slights. Ben Stein, on the other hand, will never be sued in court because his film is purely a work of fiction that no reasonable person would believe had any relation to reality.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

PenitenziAgite.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:13:35 AM EST

none

Can you show one documented example of where Michael Moore lied about something?

sierra tango foxtrot uniform

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Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

arromdee.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 09:43:37 AM EST

5.00 (interesting)

Do falsehoods and misleading editing count?

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Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

Territan.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:21:26 AM EST

5.00 (interesting)

Let's start with the falsehoods. Link, please.

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Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

delete me.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:17:22 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

Mr. Moore claimed Mr. Bush was reading "My Pet Goat", when instead he was reading "The Pet Goat".

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

arromdee.

Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:25:19 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

If you want one that's harder to make jokes about, Moore claimed that Enron would benefit from the pre-1998 proposed Unocal pipeline.

The problem is that in propaganda like this most of the deceit is done by insinuation, juxtaposition of things to make the audience think they're related, and literally correct but misleading statements.  Only a fraction of the deceits are outright falsehoods, and I'm sure that's so for Expelled too.

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Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

thefadd.

Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:20:57 PM EST

none

Only a fraction of the deceits are outright falsehoods, and I'm sure that's so for Expelled too.

Yes, aside from the whole Christian god creating the universe in seven days thing and the little bit about intelligent design being scientific. I didn't want to be the one to press you but you've persisted in the same conclusions without any backup so since I already allowed that Moore participated in spin I have to ask anyone who might know, exactly which fraction of Moore's points were outright falsehoods?

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Only one falsehood that I'm aware of.

MayorBob.

Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:36:25 PM EST

none

The US never invaded Canada.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Only one falsehood that I'm aware of.

thefadd.

Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:40:26 PM EST

none

Sure, we've invaded Canada plenty of times!

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Yep, we did

Lou.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:52:33 AM EST

none

Invade Canada that is.

I can't argue with your logic...but I can recommend a good therapist

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Oops.

MayorBob.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:19:33 AM EST

none

Thank you for catching my obvious mistake.  But, that was way back in our youthful, boisterous period as a nation (you know how those footloose youths can be).  We've moved past that and would never, ever think about invading another country now, right?

 

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Only one falsehood that I'm aware of.

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:46:29 AM EST

none

The US never invaded Canada
Oh, but we came close to doing so.

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Re: Only one falsehood that I'm aware of.

thefadd.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:29:55 PM EST

none

My favorite story about the Aroostook War is that the two sides sent negotiators to talk to one another. Each of the two negotiating teams had maps that "unequivocally demonstrated" their side's legitimate claim. The thing was settled when the two teams simply decided to trade maps and return to their own territory with the other side's map, thus able to claim victory against the previous division.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

delete me.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 01:37:23 AM EST

none

Yes, aside from the whole Christian god [...]

Hold up. I thought "intelligent" design meant that the world wasn't created by some god that got pissy with fig trees.

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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My problem with ID

joshv.

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:03:39 AM EST

none

If complex things require a designer, the designer must itself be even more complex than the thing designed, and thus must in turn require a designer.  We then have an infinite regression of ever more complex designers - a clearly ridiculous result I doubt many IDers would support, and yet their logic leads directly to it.

If you want to insist that there is a god that made everything, do just that - claim that it exists, that it made everything, and then stop.  Don't look for scientific or logical support for your claim.  And please don't claim that people who believe such things are scientific or logical.

As for professional "persecution".  I believe we should treat people who profess their belief in ID the same way we would treat a person who professes a strong and public belief in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunner, or the FSM.  If such a belief is inconsistent with their job duties, or indicates a failure of reasoning abilities that would impact their ability to do their job, they should be fired.  

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Re: My problem with ID

joshv.

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:04:57 AM EST

none

oops, sorry about the double post.  It said the first post failed, apparently it didn't.

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Evolution good! But only up to a certain point

Steve Urkel.

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:20:01 PM EST

none

ID is absurd, it and this film deserve ridicule, but I find it strange that so many 'Darwinist' critics of intelligent design not only seem to think that human beings throughout the world have all evolved identically but attack scientists like James Watson who state obvious truths about human evolution.

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RE: Strawman evolution

Lou.

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 04:23:05 PM EST

none

so many 'Darwinist' critics of intelligent design not only seem to think that human beings throughout the world have all evolved identically but attack scientists like James Watson who state obvious truths about human evolution.

So, what do you think, Gord...did Internet dirty fighters start with straw or perhaps as some theories hold, they started out with grass?

I can't argue with your logic...but I can recommend a good therapist

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Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design: Truth Sings

logan.

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 04:48:42 PM EST

none

I thought you were doing a meta thing about infinite regressions of creators.

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things

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Apparently

thefadd.

Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:58:45 PM EST

none

The filmmakers thought they could get away with "fair use" of John Lennon's song Imagine in their film. Yoko Ono is now suing to have distribution of the film with Imagine in it stopped. Apparently, the "blogosphere" blew up when it found the song was there, thinking Lennon's estate had okayed the use.

For my money, they could almost have gotten away with the fair use argument if not for the fact that the reputation of the song's owners took a hit from the song's inclusion.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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