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Which way do you keep a roof over your head?

skeeter1.

Posted to Etcetera on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:32:43 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Conventional mortgage, rent, lease?  

I once almost got sucked up in a land contract a long time ago.  Upon reading the contract closely, just painting a wall could have got me thrown out on my ass, not to mention having to pay back taxes and property liens.

Fortunately for my then-26-year-old ass, the state of Ohio had a regulation that if someone approached you with a purchase contract (in this case, two guys in suits driving a Cadillac), I could cancel it in 72 hours.  I have no idea it that's still true here or anywhere else.

At the time (1982) mortgages were terribly expensive.  My first one was 16.75% for 30 years, and that was a good rate at the time (many were running 18%).  Change of residence, several refinancings (15yr), and some years later, I own the house.  No rent, no mortgage, no lease, no landlord (oh wait, I'm the landlord). and it's all mine.  Yes, I still have to pay taxes and utilities just like anyone else, but having a clear title to a home is a comforting thing.  

I knew folks in NYC who leased because it was so terribly expensive (in The Village, we're talking several thousand dollars/month 20 years ago for a warehouse flat).  They retired to Texas.

I've slept in a tent many times before, down as low as 25 degrees F.  Fine with me for a couple of days, but with three cats and their litter boxes, not a good long term plan.

RV's were a consideration for traveling, but not when you can get a motel room for cheap.  

Then, there's always the refrigerator box under a bridge.  I'm hoping I don't have to resort to that, but who knows?

What's your preferred method for staying warm and dry?

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by skeeter1, housing (all tags)

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Il barone rampante

Steve Urkel.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 04:32:04 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

I live in a tree-fort I built myself in that big tree oak tree in your backyard. Go look out the kitchen window - see - that's me waving down at you.

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Re: Il barone rampante

Lou.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 06:05:08 PM EST

5.00 (funny, funny)

I was wondering where all of those lynching victims came from.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Il barone rampante

rEvolution inAction.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 06:29:31 PM EST

none

you bastard you ebat me to it :P

Tipping Sacred Cows

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Re: Which way do you keep a roof over your head?

rEvolution inAction.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 06:30:18 PM EST

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wait, i've got soem other ones:

  1. Underground Bunker
  2. "Undisclosed Location"

Tipping Sacred Cows

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Re: Which way do you keep a roof over your head?

pO157.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 08:29:37 PM EST

none

The thing is, all the Undisclosed Locations are publicly known. At least the ones that are publicly known. Stupid wikipedia.

Then again: What is with these continuity of government things when the biggest threat we're facing is terrorists who are cowards? If they are so tough how come they always go after soft targets? I bet if they tried their weak-ass minor league bullshit against even a suburban national guard armory, they'd get their ass kicked. I guess what I am trying to say, now that the Cold War is over, what is the point of having these "Undisclosed Locations" when a couple hundred Marines could likely protect any VIPs from whatever loony extremists there are?

Or are we preparing for a war with the ChiComms in 20 years?

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Re: Which way do you keep a roof over your head?

thefadd.

Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 02:21:12 AM EST

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If there's one thing roaches are good at, it's preserving themselves. There's a lot of things other things I'd like to see continuity of first though. I believe we need commissions on the continuity of: (1) video games from Rockstar Entertainment (2) Lucky Brand blue jeans (3) oregano.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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the high cost of ownership

wetkarma.

Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:24:00 AM EST

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Back in the USA I have a condo with around 30% equity whose mortgage (plus a slight profit) is paid for by renting it. Back when I lived there, the tax incentive for ownership were pretty strong -- you deduct all the mortgage interest from your tax bill and if you sell after 2 years, the profit from any housing price increase was also tax free.

In the UK however, the opposite incentive applies; there is no mortgage interest deduction and moreover if you buy property over £275k (or so) in value, you pay an extra luxury sales tax to the government. Now £275k might sound a lot, but I dare anyone to find a decent 2bedroom flat in London going for that rate. Unless you are madonna-level rich, you rent. Optimally you live outside London and commute in on the trains -- driving in London can cost you £100 pounds per day plus parking.

Even rental in the UK is weird however as pricing is given out on a per week basis. Eg. A flat listed at £500 really means that it costs £2150 per month -- the calculation is that there is 4.3k weeks in a month. While the real estate market has begun to cool off in london, most people here would consider Manhattan apartment rental  prices to be "cheap".

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: the high cost of ownership

skeeter1.

Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:57:41 PM EST

none

"I dare anyone to find a decent 2bedroom flat in London going for that rate. Unless you are madonna-level rich, you rent. Optimally you live outside London and commute in on the trains -- driving in London can cost you £100 pounds per day plus parking."

I've seen the prices of places like London before on PBS (US TV), and major cities all over are atrocious.  San Francisco comes to mind.  I used to have friends living in Manhattan about 20 years ago, and they were paying $3K(US)/month for rent on a warehouse flat.  Add to that, $60K for a permanent parking space.  

And here I thought my 2000sq ft house in Parma, OH was expensive at a valuation of around $200K.  Go to southern Ohio, and you can find the same thing for half that.  

As they say, "Life sucks, and then you die".  

there's only one way to find out...

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Re: Which way do you keep a roof over your head?

joshv.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 02:07:24 PM EST

none

I have one not in your list - Co-op.  Uncommon any place by the east coast, I live in one of the few Co-ops in Chicago.  Take all of the pain of renting, and combine it with all of the pain of a Condominium, and that will give you a pretty good picture of Co-op living.

Getting a loan for a Co-op is a bit weird, as you are actually getting a loan to purchase shares in the Co-op corporation.  So you don't actually purchase your unit - the Co-op corporation owns the entire building, and leases the units to it's shareholders.  In a sense you do own property, as you own a portion of the corporation that owns the property, but you really don't "own" your unit in any meaningful way.  The lease on your unit can be broken in any number of ways and you are extremely restricted in the modifications you can make to your unit.

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Re: Which way do you keep a roof over your head?

postillion.

Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:10:56 PM EST

none

A few years ago, my parents finally sold their small business which they've been running for a decade.  Originally, they were thinking of buying some kind of small house or another to rent it out for their monthly income since they are now retired.

However, after looking into rental rates for houses as opposed to commercial spaces, they ended up buying a small commercial space: a little lot with a convenience store that sells hot food.  They tell me that the rent they can charge monthly is much better than whatever they could have charged for a private residence.  I don't know what the taxes are like.

Personally, my parents lead such a nomadic life when I was a kid that I get an itch to move every few years, so I always just rent an apartment on one year leases.

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Re: Which way do you keep a roof over your head?

stevetherobot.

Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:44:48 PM EST

none

I stay warm and dry by killing grizzly bears (with my bare hands) and hollowing out their carcasses.

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