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MBA Made In A Mountaineer Minute

MayorBob.

Posted to Etcetera on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:39:20 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

It's not often the allegation of an unearned academic degree warrants much more than a departmental inquiry in the school which conferred the degree.  But, this case is different because it involves the school in question giving a pass on almost half the credits required to earn the degree.  It's different because the course work was waived on orders from high-ranking officers at the school.  It's also different because the student in question is the daughter of the governor of the state whose university apparently gave her the M.B.A. she didn't earn.  Those are the findings of a report delivered by a five member panel following a three month period of getting at the facts of the matter of the bogus M.B.A.

West Virginia University (WVU) is the school which finds itself with academic egg on its face.  Heather Bresch is the spurious MBA recipient.  Bresch is also an executive with a large, western Pennsylvania pharmaceutical company.  Bresch had included an M.B.A. received from WVU in 1998 on her resume.  Back in October, the local Pittsburgh paper did some research and couldn't find any record of the degree.  Thus, the folks at WVU were contacted and asked to confirm the degree.

According to the report (link to which is the first link in the last link in the intro paragraph), the powers that be at WVU found they couldn't verify Bresch's degree -- for a good reason.  It seems that she had only completed 26 of the 48 credit hours required for the degree.  Bresch is also the daughter of Governor Joe Manchin III, thus it must have put a bit more pressure on WVU officials to decide what to do.  By the way, the report does not allege that Manchin or even school President Mike Garrison were directly involved in what happened.  It does indicate that school Provost Gerald Lang and "representatives of the president's office" did their best to accommodate Bresch.

What they did was find whatever way they could to grant her a degree.  According to the report, Lang and other WVU officials were more interested in not "rocking the boat" than actually determining if Bresch earned the degree.  Thus 22 credit hours were granted to Bresch as a result of her experience in the business world.  They accepted her word that she was "excused" from having to complete those 22 hours.  Even still, Bresch is sticking to her story that she did earn the degree.  But the report says:

"Mistake was compounded by mistake. An unnecessary rush to judgment, spurred in some measure by an understandable desire to protect a valued alumna and to respond to media pressure, produced a flawed and erroneous result."
Roy Nutter is a WVU professor who served on the panel issuing the report.  He has not made any statement about the report.  However, when appointed to the panel, he remarked if a degree was awarded to a student who had completed only half the credits, "I am indeed livid and heads should roll."  David Ryan, opinion editor for the school newspaper, says:
"We're just sort of worried because we're actually earning our degrees and if these things are happening, power and coercion are happening, what does that mean for the credibility of our grades and our degrees?"
Accordingly, an editorial about the case in the school newspaper pulled no punches about what this has done to the school's reputation.            

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by MayorBob, West Virginia, MBA, unearned degree, scandal, college (all tags)

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Completely Unrelated Long Personal Anecdote

pO157.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:01:59 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

It was several years ago. I had just defended my MS thesis and finished the corrections to my manuscript. After getting all the proper signatures from the folks on my committee, and turning my manuscript into the university printer I did what any good newly graduated graduate student would do. I went out and got really screwed up at my favorite bar(s) one last time. The bar part really have anything to do with this story.

Anyway, the next morning I woke up really early, picked my way over the passed out people in my apartment and I marched down to the administration building to talk to the graduate school lady who handles people who just finished their degrees. I dropped off the box containing half a dozen copies of my thesis on the official nuclear apocalypse rated university paper, the 47,000 forms, and various money orders. As sometimes happens, I ended up shooting the shit with the secretary lady for like twenty minutes. I forget what we talked about, but it must have been memorable. Eventually, the Dean of the Graduate School came out, I got my Congratulatory Handshake from him, we shot the shit, and I left for a celebratory Denny's Breakfast (celebratory for me, detoxifying for the other people who were in my apartment who were seriously hung over).

I moved across the country, thousands of miles away. When my name was called for graduation in absentia I was in the dairy aisle of a grocery store, picking up some stuff for my parents whom I was visiting. Weeks/months later my new place of employment was getting antsy about seeing a transcript saying I had an MS (as in the degree, not the autoimmune condition). I had e-mailed the Graduate School several times, and was told they had DOZENS! of graduate degrees to award from the previous semester and they would sort through it as soon as they could. Finally after several months I called, and spoke to the same secretary I turned my stuff into. She remembered me! As luck would have it, she was the one who electronically posted the notations on the transcripts stating what degree titles a graduate had earned, and what day they were given. The conversation went like this:

Me: Hi, I was wondering if you could post my degree to my transcript so I can show everybody who cares that I graduated.

Lady: Sure, uhh, let me find your file. It's around here.... somewhere. (Sounds of papers ruffling back and forth... I remembered the office, with literally stacks of files several feet deep spread about the room. I envisioned mine stuck somewhere in one of these things)

Lady: You know what? I know you graduated this past semester, I talked to you. What degree did you take, again?

Me: Master of Science in Microbiology.

Lady: OK, (sounds of typing), done! Good luck on your career.

Me: Bye! Good luck on... your career. (Why do I always say stupid awkward shit like that?)

About 10 seconds after I got off the phone I realized I had passed up the Opportunity of a Lifetime. I could have just as easily had said I graduated with a combined PharmD/PhD, PhD/MBA or some high paying combo like that and she would have naively put that down. Nobody would ever have checked up, because it would be printed on the transcript that I got that degree and I could have listed it on my resume without worrying about being detected. Damn my honesty! The point is, you don't need political connections. You just need to find a trusting administrative staffer so backlogged with paperwork that they will just put down whatever you want.

Well, I said it was a long story. I didn't say it was a good story!

The End.

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Re: Completely Unrelated Long Personal Anecdote

port1080.

Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 09:58:02 AM EST

none

picked my way over the passed out people in my apartment

Thanks for not stepping on me!

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Re: Completely Unrelated Long Personal Anecdote

pO157.

Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 09:39:35 PM EST

none

If I recall correctly, weren't you on the couch?

Good times, good times.

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Re: Completely Unrelated Long Personal Anecdote

port1080.

Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 09:54:56 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

I don't really remember. Actually, I don't really remember much at all from that night. We may have overdone it a little...

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Re: Completely Unrelated Long Personal Anecdote

pO157.

Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 09:49:42 AM EST

none

We may have overdone it a little...

Understatement of the year. All told, I still don't remember how many bars we were at. I remember being at five, but there could have been more. It's still all a blur.

All I can say is we were lucky I had 'regular' status at the first place and we had a DD. Always, always, always use a DD.

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It's only an MBA

JimmyHavok.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:07:23 PM EST

5.00 (funny, astute, astute)

Who cares?  It's not like it's a real degree.

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Joe Manchin III, Asshole

keta.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:38:21 PM EST

4.50 (astute, astute)

From Manchin's website (via the link of his name):

"Gayle and I support our daughter and are very proud of the professional reputation she has built throughout her career. She is one of the brightest, most compassionate and honorable people that I know.
"All I can hope for as a parent is that WVU's leaders will correct whatever problems that led to this situation so that no other student will have to go through this kind of ordeal in the future."

There you have it, folks.  Daddy says she's a great little gal, a victim, even, and all blame lies with the university.

What an asshole.

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Re: Joe Manchin III, Asshole

pO157.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:22:25 PM EST

none

"whatever problems that led to this situation"

WTF? The only 'problem' is a previously respectable university took a foray into the world of "late night 3am online b-school" by granting half the degree's credits on "life experience." All because of who daddy is.

What a moron.

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Re: Joe Manchin III, Asshole

MayorBob.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:28:31 PM EST

none

She's definitely got a load of his DNA also.  Her statement about still believing she "earned" that MBA when she was told to take half the course load off.  One wonders what else she believes she's "earned" in life by paying the costs of being Joe Manchin's daughter?

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Joe Manchin III, Asshole

thefadd.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:00:57 PM EST

none

hey--those are some high costs!

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: MBA Made In A Mountaineer Minute

postillion.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:17:15 AM EST

none

Bresch is among the 40 % of people who lie on their resumes.

Is it because she's the daughter of a governor that her non-MBA degree was originally investigated by a newspaper?  In that case, political influence has been her downfall rather than a help in her life.

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still time to save my soul...

thefadd.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:42:20 PM EST

none

Anyone ever taken the GMAT? Anyone want to convince me whether or not to get an MBA.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: still time to save my soul...

pO157.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 01:41:49 PM EST

none

I dunno. The GRE was given in the same place as the TOEFL and GMAT when I took it. It was easy to tell who was there for the TOEFL. It was also easy to figure out who was there for the GMAT.

Bunch of random people, over half with 'magic' hair, and almost all passing time by burning through the "Money Magazine," "Fortune," and "Golf Digest" magazines in the waiting room. As a non-MBA, I question the value of an MBA for three reasons (please correct me if I am wrong or uninformed):

  1. Many programs seem to increasingly offer programs that meet once or twice on the weekends, but still seem to finish in a year or two. Also, there are a variety of online MBAs. This just seems watered down and not commensurate with an advanced degree.

  2. My sister went to a good B-school for undergrad. She is now overpaid and under worked in business/finance. Originally she wanted to go back to B-school for an MBA, now she questions the value of it. If you can get to the low six figures without one, what is the point?

  3. Isn't business something that you do with common sense or "business sense?" Who cares that a piece of paper you have says as long as you passed college and have the appropriate experience?

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Re: still time to save my soul...

thefadd.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:43:26 PM EST

none

1. Many programs seem to increasingly offer programs that meet once or twice on the weekends, but still seem to finish in a year or two. Also, there are a variety of online MBAs. This just seems watered down and not commensurate with an advanced degree.

Yes, I'd only bother if I could get into a top program. No University of Phoenix MBA for me.

2. My sister went to a good B-school for undergrad. She is now overpaid and under worked in business/finance. Originally she wanted to go back to B-school for an MBA, now she questions the value of it. If you can get to the low six figures without one, what is the point?

If I had such a job, I probably wouldn't be considering such a move except possibly out of sheer boredom and to consolidate my gains against future necessity.

3. Isn't business something that you do with common sense or "business sense?" Who cares that a piece of paper you have says as long as you passed college and have the appropriate experience?

Absolutely...in a sense this is almost an argument for attending a program because having looked at several top ones I feel that I'd do really well relatively easily.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: still time to save my soul...

pO157.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:26:59 PM EST

none

Absolutely...in a sense this is almost an argument for attending a program because having looked at several top ones I feel that I'd do really well relatively easily.

I see where you are coming from. As a grad student, I am on a fellowship so I can take as many classes as I want (why would I?) for free. Therefore, I could go take the eMBA program (as a side note, could somebody explain what the difference is between an MBA and an executive MBA? What's next? Senior Executive MBA? Global Trendsetter Executive MBA? Come on!) Seeing the quality of the people in some of these programs and the relative laxity of them (their requirements seem to consist of wearing all black and making powerpoints), like you, I feel like I could do really well with a minimum of effort.

But then I wouldn't be able to sit around on the internet and make smarmy comments about (e)MBAs without them bouncing back and hitting me.

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just my perspective from the outside

thefadd.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:14:52 PM EST

4.00 (informative)

Executive MBA programs are for people who are already working business executives. I suppose how you qualify depends on the program. Working MBA programs are for people who are simply working and the regular MBA program would be for people whose main concern is being a student. From what little I saw, it seemed like the executive MBA program was just a piece of paper and a slap on the back and the working MBA program was actually the most rigorous because people in it had the experience to understand what was going on but the need to actually learn some of those management tools working executives would theoretically already have.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: just my perspective from the outside

pO157.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:20:18 PM EST

none

Executive MBA programs are for people who are already working business executives

That explains it. The university has an eMBA and a regular MBA. The tuition charges for the executive program include a service for some guy to pick up all your textbooks and deliver them to you at the start of the semester, and other absurd perks.

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Re: still time to save my soul...

postillion.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:06:19 PM EST

none

I considered doing an MBA a few years ago and ultimately decided against it because I wanted to remain in publishing (which is so low paying that even with an MBA my salary wouldn't have changed drastically).  I did take the time to talk with a few people who had been through an MBA before I made up my mind.  Here's what I learned:

  1. an MBA is pretty easy unless you are planning on studying something very hard core dealing with high end business models which requires a good understanding of statistics

  2. Even if you want to end up doing models with statistics, you can get a similar job just by studying enough statistics to put it down on your resume

  3. Even if you don't do statistics, you can end up with a nice 6 digit salary with some vague "consultant" position.

  4. With one exception, no one I talked with thought their job was exciting.  But they all got paid very well.  The downturn was high stress and fear of getting laid off depending on the market downturn, upswings, etc.

  5. Oh, and possibly most importantly, if you can get a job with the right company without an MBA, you can get them to finance your MBA.

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Re: still time to save my soul...

thefadd.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:29:47 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

My company will reimburse 60% of my tuition for any degree program so there's little excuse for me not to take advantage...Anderson/UCLA is supposed to be a very good school but I've heard good things about the entrepreneur program at USC as well. Pepperdine would be easier to get into but then that's cause it's Pepperdine. The six figure consulting wouldn't be a fall-back to complain about but I have a couple of legitimate business ideas that aren't out there right now that I'd like to develop through the program and use as it as a foothold to secure funding.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: still time to save my soul...

postillion.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:41:04 PM EST

none

In my humble opinion, at 60% tuition reimbursement, it sounds completely worthwhile.

When I looked at the GMAT a few years back, it looked pretty easy, even for a math idiot like me.

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Re: MBA Made In A Mountaineer Minute

MayorBob.

Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 01:35:36 PM EST

none

According to reports the university's Provost and B School head are resigning.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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