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Coast To Coast Street Justice

MayorBob.

Posted to Legal on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:38:06 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

There's desperados on them there streets, pardner.  But fear not, as constables from the Atlantic to the Pacific stand ready to enforce the law against grandmothers who don't pay their traffic tickets, red light camera scofflaws and phantom street racers.  I, for one, feel much safer today for knowing this.

From Portsmouth, New Hampshire comes the tale of "Grandmom Parker".  That would be 58-year-old Susan Lehman, who was arrested and cuffed at a gas station by Portsmouth police and her pet dog impounded by the SPCA.  Her crime?  She failed to appear in court to answer for (US)$90 worth of parking tickets issued back in 2000.  Lest you think this case is a bit unusual, New Hampshire cops seem to take an aggressive view towards enforcing the laws of the road - even when no laws were broken.  The latter incident has resulted in Portsmouth police deciding not to arrest EZ Pass violators in the future, giving them more time to go out and cuff those parking ticket scofflaws.

From the Show Me state comes a story of raising the ante on not paying a red light camera ticket. As discussed last month on Trees, red light cameras have become a national trend.  They are touted as a more efficient and effective method of enforcing traffic laws and they save lives!  These are contentions which are hotly contested by those who oppose them.  St. Louis City alderman Freeman Bosley decided that the red light camera system in the city needs help.  It seems that people have been ignoring red light camera tickets sent to them in the mail.  There are a variety of reasons for that: the pictures taken of cars running red lights don't show who is behind the wheel; the picture may be poorly focused; people claim it wasn't their car and they didn't run the light.  Bosley's answer to that - if you failed to pay your first ticket and you receive another, you get hauled into court to face jail time.  St. Louis continued to press forward to pass Bosley's measure late last month in spite of news from other cities which are removing theirs.

From California, where street racing has been deemed a public safety concern, comes a victory by police in the battle against street racers.  Riverside police Sergeant Skip Showalter said "we want to send a powerful message that street racing will not be tolerated."  However, if viewed from another perspective, the 100 citations and 20 impoundments may have come at the expense of some civil liberties. According to another version of the big street racer bust, police conducted warrantless searches of 150 "car enthusiasts" with most of the citations written out for paperwork violations, "engine modifications", overly tinted windows.  This was all made possible through the use of (US)$500,000 in overtime pay generated from federal and state gasoline taxes.  Police could provide no proof that illegal street racing was taking place at the shopping center where the bust took place.  This is not the first time Riverside police have conducted these warrantless searches and seizures.  During a similar raid last year, the very same Sergeant Showalter was confronting detainees with questions like:

"If you're not into street racing, why would you need that? Why would you want more power going to your car?"

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by MayorBob, traffic laws, parking tickets, EZ Pass, police, red light cameras, street racing, warrantless searches (all tags)

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Re: Coast To Coast Street Justice

gerrymander.

Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 11:57:57 AM EST

4.00 (astute)

The full article on Parker paints a far less sympathetic picture than the write-up. The parking ticket is no big deal, but contempt for the justice system is. Back in 2000, Parker knew that she was enough in the spotlight to request a continuance for the court date. Did she really think that the court would just forget to reschedule?

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Re: Coast To Coast Street Justice

thefadd.

Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:36:37 PM EST

none

Did she really think that the court would just forget to reschedule?

They did in Orange County, CA.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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You know what really pisses me off?

pO157.

Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 08:53:30 AM EST

none

I live in a stable area surrounded by "less desirable parts of town." It's not uncommon to try to drive through those areas on your way to and from legitimate activities and have to avoid maniac gang-bangers who think the traffic laws are some kind of advisory, know what I'm sayin'?

For example, it is common to be sitting at a red light and some homie doesn't feel like stopping. So he will arbitrarily pass you on the right without slowing, going 50/60/70 or more in a 30 mph zone. I have had several near misses where the psychopaths do this right as the light turns green and I start through the intersection, only to have G. Love & Special Sauce's low rider zoom by me and then almost take my car out as they frantically try to cut me off because of parked cars just on the other side of the intersection are about to hit them and they didn't notice this because they are too busy talking to their boyz on the cell phone or smoking a 'big ass blunt' or whatever it is they do.

I've seen idiots drive down the wrong direction on Main Street because they didn't want to wait behind traffic going the speed limit. I've seen drag races in the streets. I've seen all kinds of shenanigans.

But who do the cops pull over? Somebody doing 65 in a 55 on the highway. Or they have these high-throughput cameras that scan everybody's license plate and alerts them to those cars that have outstanding parking tickets or whatever. Or they'll do roadblocks to check for busted taillights, no headlights, improper equipment, whatever. Because it makes them money.

That is ridiculous. How about the cops concentrate on taking the morons off the road instead. I'm sure everybody can get behind that.

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Re: You know what really pisses me off?

Mary Jo Kopechne.

Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:59:26 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant, astute)

But who do the cops pull over? Somebody doing 65 in a 55 on the highway.

It's like when you were in school. The teachers only punished the good students because that's the only ones it worked on. The bad students didn't give a shit, they were never gonna amount to anything and their grades didn't matter. So, wtf leverage does a teacher have over them? None. Good kids on the other hand, care about their grades, might slit their wrists over a B+, so teacher has TONS of leverage over them, don't she? So, the kids in the back can be carrying on an open-air drug market and the teacher is flipping about some note passed from one smart student to the next as some grand affront to her authority. The ones who care get the share of shit that the ones who don't care won't accept.

That is "the system." They will send you to jail for speeding because the fact that you showed up for court in the first place means that you are a law-abiding citizen, and damn it, they are gonna show you to respect the law, sonnyboy.  Because the guy who doesn't show is just gonna get a suspension he don't care about or a warrant he doesn't care about and all that not giving a fuck makes judges feel impotent and angry and here you are, you damn lawbreaker, doing your 65 in a 55, and so they are going to make an example of you.

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Re: Coast To Coast Street Justice

skeeter1.

Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 01:30:39 AM EST

none

"constables from the Atlantic to the Pacific stand ready to enforce the law against grandmothers who don't pay their traffic tickets, red light camera scofflaws and phantom street racers."

I must say, I spend some time listening to a police scanner, and one of the most active cities I hear is Lynndale, Ohio.  They have a 0.1mile stretch of I-71 through their city, with no ingress or egress, yet it's a continuous speedtrap, and where the city gets most of their revenues.  Several legislators have proposed laws shutting it down, but so far the courts haven't sided with them.  

As far as street racing goes, I was plenty guilty of that when I was in my teens, as lots of people were/are.  Now, I'm just an old man with a staid Oldsmobile that, if I was so inclined, could beat the pants off of anything I ever had before.  I've only floored it a couple of times, but that Cadillac Northstar engine ain't chump change.  

there's only one way to find out...

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Re: Coast To Coast Street Justice

jwb.

Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:32:11 PM EST

none

What is this story about?  The unfairness of cops protecting the public from a lot of scofflaws?  It sounds like a bunch of whiny jerks complaining that they got caught.

Motor vehicle traffic is the #1 biggest killer of Americans, aside from diseases.  Three times as many Americans die in car crashes as are killed in homicides.  The automobile and its inattentive, slack-jawed operator, are the largest menace we face as a society.  Any and all enforcement actions should be vigorously pursued by any and all law enforcement agencies with jurisdiction over motorists.

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You're absolutely right.

MayorBob.

Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 01:11:31 PM EST

5.00 (astute, astute)

Traffic accidents cause a shitload of death and injuries in the US.  But the story really isn't about that aspect of it.  Call them whiny, but none of the things cited in the story address the issue of accidents or street racing.  

They're about localities who throw on the cuffs to arrest some woman they have no record of having followed up for her parking tickets for eight years.  I guess parking violations join murder as crimes for which there is no such thing as a statute of limitations.

They're about city councils who have no problem declaring red light cameras failsafe as the second time a ticket is issued for one against a car, the owner of the car gets hauled into court and can go to jail.

They're about local cops using highway safety funds to swoop down on groups of people with modified cars (parked in a mall parking lot and not moving) and conducting warrantless search and seizures based upon their estimation that "you don't really need that modification to your car."  They do this rather than using the money to fund patrolling of streets with a documented record of street racing to arrest those that are actively involved in a crime.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: You're absolutely right.

jwb.

Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 05:42:28 PM EST

3.00 (interesting)

I'm having a hard time working up some sympathy for the street racer crowd.  First of all, a cop doesn't need a warrant to search your vehicle.  All he has to do is ask, and you have the right to decline but 99% of people are too chicken to do that, so they usually acquiesce, even if there's a loaded shotgun, a corpse, and a kilo of cocaine in the trunk.  So the whole "warrantless search" thing is a non-issue.

These kids are gathered in a parking lot, probably private property, in the middle of the night, almost certainly loitering by the legal definition of that word, or creating some kind of other public nuisance with their subwoofers, hollow mufflers, and spinning tires.  So the cops come along, search the cars, and write tickets for the modifications that are illegal.  What's the problem?  When a bunch of asshats get busted for making a nuisance of themselves with their polluting, loud, illegally modified cars, I call that justice.

If cops were breaking down doors at private homes and hauling off some guys for wrenching on an old hot rod Chevrolet, that would be something to complain about.  This is just an instance of the police doing their jobs, for once.

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Re: You're absolutely right.

skeeter1.

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:06:16 AM EST

5.00 (informative)

Shit, I probably should have been in jail.

"These kids are gathered in a parking lot, probably private property, in the middle of the night, almost certainly loitering by the legal definition of that word, or creating some kind of other public nuisance with their subwoofers, hollow mufflers, and spinning tires."

When I was in high school (a long time ago), we'd always go to McDonalds or Bob's Big Boy to hang out on Friday nights after the football game.  There were literally hundreds of cars of kids doing the same thing (they were adjacent to large shopping center parking lots).  Some street racing inevitably took place.  I did my share.  Open mufflers?  My first motorcycle had a straight pipe.  It wasn't too bad at low speed, but when it hit 10,000RPM, it could probably have been heard for miles.  

I was just the typical hormonally-challenged teenager.  I got over it, and never hurt anyone.  Kids are kids sometimes, and most of them, grow up OK.

there's only one way to find out...

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Found guilty....of something

1fastdog.

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:21:07 AM EST

5.00 (funny, brilliant)

Christ on a crutch, man. What are you, 80 years old? Are you gonna be yelling for 'em to keep off your lawn next?

These kids are gathered in a parking lot, probably private property, in the middle of the night, almost certainly loitering by the legal definition of that word, or creating some kind of other public nuisance with their subwoofers, hollow mufflers, and spinning tires.  So the cops come along, search the cars, and write tickets for the modifications that are illegal.  What's the problem?  When a bunch of asshats get busted for making a nuisance of themselves with their polluting, loud, illegally modified cars, I call that justice.

I call that flim-flammery and ass-hattery of the mad variety.
Your whole argument boils down to that you regard them as being certainly guilty of something and to hell with the law, logic, or circumstance.
If people are genuinely caught doing something illegal, fine, bust 'em and let 'em take their lumps, but let's not advocate some kind of quasi-legal preemptive strike doctrine on people and their cars just because we're sure that they'll be doing something illegal sometime.

Somewhere in my soul, there's always Rock -n- Roll... Joe Strummer

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Re: Found guilty....of something

jwb.

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:30:03 PM EST

none

Are you seriously arguing that the cops issued them 150 tickets for things that aren't illegal?

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Pre-ordained results.

MayorBob.

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:13:23 PM EST

none

Are you going to seriously argue that the Riverside PD is going to blow $500K in overtime pay and not come away with enough in ticket revenues to justify the bust?

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Pre-ordained results.

jwb.

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 05:35:47 PM EST

none

C'mon, Bob.  For one thing, there doesn't seem to be any backing for the overtime claim except for the breathless, baseless pseodojournalistic rant of your final link.  The newspaper article on this subject says the raid was paid for with a grant from the California Office of Traffic Safety.  The cops showed up because they knew it would be fish in a barrel, which it was.   From the television reports (the follow-ups, not the short one you posted) it sounds like they netted a number of stolen vehicles, a bunch of people without licenses or insurance, and some outstanding warrants.  Good for them!  I encourage the police to continue concentrating on obvious high-crime areas in the future.

Read the coverage from the Press-Enterprise.  These drivers were gathering in the parking lots of two local businesses, and the businessmen, to the surprise of nobody, wanted them gone.

Neighboring business managers at Hooters Restaurant and John's Incredible Pizza are glad the problem was addressed. At times, they said, cars speed through their parking lots, threatening the safety of others and scaring away customers.

"They seek a big parking lot and ours is huge," said Jim Finigan, director of operations at John's Incredible Pizza.

He was seconded by Chris Guillet, manager of the Riverside Hooters Restaurant, who said problem drivers speed through his lot, barely avoiding collisions

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