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Let's choose Obama's running mate

tomc.

Posted to Diary on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 02:05:57 PM EST. RSS.

OK, it's practically inevitable, right?  Obama's gonna be the Democratic presidential candidate in 2008.  So who should be his running mate?  Some dork named Dean Barnett thinks it should be John Kerry.

Personally, I think it should be Hillary Clinton.  Why?  Because it would be the best way to prevent Obama from ever being assassinated.

Who do you think should be Obama's running mate, and why?

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Easy.

delete me.

Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 03:53:58 PM EST

5.00 (astute, interesting)

Dick Cheney.

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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Re: Let's choose Obama's running mate

Steve Urkel.

Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 05:33:33 PM EST

5.00 (astute, informative, brilliant)

I think the selection might be James Webb, because he's a centrist white man with a military background who hasn't previously been the nominee and lost.

 

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Three Problems

uncarved block.

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:41:54 AM EST

5.00 (interesting, interesting)

    While Webb may look good on paper, I think there are at least three strikes working against him at this point:

    1) He's not exactly meek enough to fulfill the main job of a Veep, which is to do nothing that will detract from the president. Webb sounds like the kind of politician who enjoys making waves now and then. This is by far the biggest knock against him, as he might say something in the general election that hurts Obama enough to lose. Dems may be happy, but the election is far from a lock, and if Barack has any advisers worth a damn, they recognize this.

   2) He worked for Reagan, and gladly. In the hyper-partisan atmosphere of a presidential run, this will be a factor. Many Dems might feel that after having endured eight years of W, a bit stronger of a corrective might be in order.

   3) He gives no reason for an assassin to think twice about killing Obama. We've discussed this before, and I think it's possible Obama is very aware just how much risk he'll assume if he manages to win.

    I still say Hillary is the lead choice, if she'll deign to accept the post.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Three Problems

Steve Urkel.

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:26:15 PM EST

none

I didn't know Webb was a hothead, but that would be a major strike against him. Candidates always want a boring person for VP. Which is one of the reasons I don't see him selecting Hillary, because there would be nothing dull about inviting the Clinton Cabal into his camp.

Does his working in the Reagan administration really matter? I can't imagine any partisan Democrats not voting for Obama because of that, and it would help with the swing voters.

"He gives no reason for an assassin to think twice about killing Obama. We've discussed this before"

I've discussed it before too.

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Pluses, Minuses

uncarved block.

Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:38:06 AM EST

none

    Hillary certainly wouldn't be a boring Veep, but the question would be whether she'd bring so much more to the race than the traditional model. It's rare that a candidate who's competitive in the primaries ends up being in this position (often because there's not much serious competition), so "star power" isn't usually available in the Veep-- hence the "keep them out of the limelight" attitude. But with Clinton, Obama could (could!) present the pairing as some kind of Democratic "best of both worlds" situation. And he'd also gain the assistance of Bill Clinton, arguably one of the best campaign managers/political advisers of this generation.
    Obama likely wouldn't make the offer because it wouldn't be accepted, which would be a PR gaffe. If you're that close to actually becoming president, accepting second banana will be difficult, if not impossible-- think about Reagan and Ford in 1976. Ford might have been able to beat Carter with Reagan on board, but I can't imagine Ronnie would ever have accepted the offer, even for a chance to work from the inside to change policy. You don't become president because you think someone else- anyone else- can do the job better than you.
    Would Webb help with swing voters? Well, Obama doesn't seem to have much trouble on that front, and after the last eight years, Dems are going to turn out in record numbers if they have a good chance at winning. The key at this point is not providing an opportunity for Republicans to drive down participation, and Webb might do that because he's got enough of a track record to contrast with the dewy-eyed hopefulness that Obama is trying to ride into the Oval Office. A Veep had better bring a lot to the dance (like Hillary) if they've got a long history; much more likely to me is a youngish governor with just a little experience, and not a lot of baggage. But that's just a guess.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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good cop bad cop

JimmyHavok.

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 03:16:44 PM EST

none

Quite often, the VP acts as attack dog, saying things the candidate can't.  Dick Cheney and Spiro Agnew are good examples.

I suspect the only thing that could lose the election for Obama would be to choose Hillary as his running mate.  There are simply too many people out there who hate her irrationally.  She would mobilize a lot of people who would otherwise sit out the election to vote for McCain.

My co-workers, who are among those who irrationally hate Hillary, often talk about how if Obama chooses her, he'll go Vince Foster's route.

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delete me.

Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:49:14 AM EST

none

Are those the rule, or the exceptions? I keep thinking of doofuses such as Dan Quayle and Al Gore, and neither of them appear to be much of an attack dog.

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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SOB Factor

uncarved block.

Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:49:27 AM EST

5.00 (interesting)

    I think the underlying factor is that someone on the ticket has to be a son of a bitch, whether they hide it well or not. Voters talk about "having a beer" with the candidate being a factor, but I think they also realize they're also voting for a national and international leader-- which means you'd better be ruthless*, or at least have a little bit of a temper. McCain understands this, which is why he let's his temper show a lot; Obama doesn't seem to have this in the kit, which is why he'd be better served picking someone with a bit of an edge. Doesn't mean he will, but then circumstances might be so out of whack that it won't matter. Carter got in because of backlash, and Obama might be in position to do something very similar. Guess it will depend on how nasty McCain decides to play it in the general election.

    *Recall the Mondale/Ferraro ticket, and how hapless it seemed-- in part because of Mondale at the top, but also because neither of them brought the SOB factor to the ticket. It's arguably what sank Bush/Quayle in 1992 as well, though there's no way to ignore Perot in that mess, or factor him out.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: good cop bad cop

JimmyHavok.

Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 07:48:36 PM EST

5.00 (astute, astute, funny)

Referring to Al Gore as a doofus is bizarre enough as it is, but putting him in the same class as Dan Quayle is just surreal.

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Which reminds me ...

delete me.

Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 01:56:00 AM EST

4.00 (funny, funny)

Dan Quayle was so conservative, he knew the 15th century spelling for "potato".

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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Dream ticket

JimmyHavok.

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:56:41 AM EST

5.00 (interesting)

I'd like to see Obama step aside for Gore, so we'd have a Gore-Obama ticket.  That would guarantee 16 years of Democratic administration.  I don't know if it's possible, but I have seen speculation about a brokered convention going for Gore.

If Gore gets the nomination due to back-room dealing, that wouldn't work out, but if Obama announced he was stepping aside before the convention, that would make the ticket a shoo-in in the general election.  I doubt that anything Karl Rove could pull out of his hat could take the wind out of a move like that.

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Re: Dream ticket

howeird.

Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:27:51 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

Gore couldn't beat an egg

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Re: Dream ticket

JimmyHavok.

Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 07:52:02 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

Well, Gore couldn't beat the Supreme Court, but he did get more votes than Bush.  I guess if you count crying to daddy to fix it as winning, then Bush won.

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Re: Let's choose Obama's running mate

howeird.

Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:33:40 PM EST

4.00 (funny, funny)

If Obama gets the nomination, which he won't, he would need to choose a white woman who was deserted at an early age by her mother and raised by her black father, but as an adult returned to her "roots" by working for a Southern baptist church, earning her praise from the pulpit by a minister known for his Klan activities.

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He probably will ask Richardson.

MayorBob.

Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 02:27:28 PM EST

3.00 (interesting)

A black and a latino heading up the national ticket would be dynamite, in my opinion.  I don't see him asking Clinton nor do I see her accepting second billing (frankly she probably had enough of that during her husband's administration).  Colin Powell turned down the Republican nomination when he probably could have claimed it back in 2000; I doubt he'd be intrigued by the prospect of becoming Veep.

Oprah, puhleeze!  She'd really be taking a step down in status to become Dick Cheney's replacement, don't you think?  Frankly I suck at these sorts of things because my answers are predicated upon what I think.  Who knows what Obama's thinking?  Besides, he hasn't landed the nomination and if the convention goes into a series of votes for the nomination, there's always the possibility that the Democrats might turn to Al Gore as a pick.  And wouldn't that just cheese Hillary off?

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Dynamite

profwhat.

Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:29:24 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

A black and a latino heading up the national ticket would be dynamite, in my opinion

Why?  This statement makes it sound like you are suffering from Jewish Black Lesbian in a Wheelchair Syndrome.  A latino VP nominee is not inherently better than an anglo VP nominee.  As a matter of strategy, it would probably turn off even more racist voters than a black presidential candidate would.

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MayorBob.

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:31:24 AM EST

none

Actually, I was hoping that Richardson might have gathered some traction early out in the primary process but, alas, the electorate was underwhelmed by the man.  You're right that a latino VP nominee is not inherently better than an anglo (otherwise, we'd be all abuzz at the prospect of Edward James Olmos' prospects for the job).  But, seriously, based upon experience in virtually every part of government (save the Judiciary) and his excellent record, who else is a better pick?  My contention that it would be dynamite might be a bit hyperbolic, but a black and a latino heading up the national ticket would be historic, no?  If you want to be ploddingly political about it, Richardson would be a nice contrast to Obama in being from a non-urban background and could speak to the immigration issue without seeming to pander to the sensibilities of all those people viewing it as an "OMIGOD, the filthy brown hordes are out to take our jobs and rape our daughters" issue.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: He probably will ask Richardson.

joshv.

Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:54:36 AM EST

5.00 (interesting)

I think this was probably the price paid for the Richardson endorsement.

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Re: He probably will ask Richardson.

pO157.

Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 05:10:02 PM EST

none

 Oprah, puhleeze!  She'd really be taking a step down in status to become Dick Cheney's replacement, don't you think?

I must have missed something, and I'm too lazy to read the links. Did somebody SERIOUSLY put Oprah's name out there? While sober? That would be truly deserving of an ZOMGWTFBBQ.

In other news, 'OMGWTFBBQ' is acceptable by my spell checker, but ZOMGWTFBBQ is not. Perhaps I need to get the Fark 2.0 spelling mod-pack.

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Re: He probably will ask Richardson.

MayorBob.

Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 06:16:50 PM EST

3.00 (informative)

Nobody's seriously put forth Oprah's name as a possibility.  I was merely riffing off of tomc's inclusion of her name in his poll.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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translation please

Lou.

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:08:35 AM EST

none

OMGWTFBBQ

Oh my god, what the fuck, barbecue?

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: translation please

pO157.

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:14:54 AM EST

none

Exactly. It doesn't make sense, it's fark.com!

One of the reasons why I don't hang around there much anymore. The profane 12 year old quotient on here is much lower.

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Richardson is a natural

JimmyHavok.

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 04:50:44 AM EST

none

If we were going by resumes, he'd be President right now.  If Obama needs a mentor, he couldn't choose a better one.

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Re: Let's choose Obama's running mate

Lou.

Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:06:31 PM EST

none

A prediction:

We won't have to worry about who Obama picks since the Democratic party is going to self-destruct long before the general election.  The trigger for the self-destruct will be the convention.  Obama will sail in with a clear lead in delegates, but Hilz will unleash the dogs of wa...um, her superduper delegates and leave the convention center as the presidential nominee.  There will be such a level of disgust that democrats either won't vote, or will vote for McCain.  Hillary won't take one state.

An aside...

My employer likes to read the right wing websites (and for all that, he's still a likable fellow) and he said the buzz on the blogs is that Hilary knows she is going to lose to Obama and would lose to McCain anyway.  With this in mind Hilary is going to stick mud on her opponent so that when he goes up against McCain, he'll lose...which will leave her a shot to take the 2012 democratic nomination.  I don't know if this is true and I don't have the stomach to read such blogs (or any blogs actually...not a blog fan), but when I heard this I could completely see Clinton doing this.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Clinton

thefadd.

Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:57:23 PM EST

none

I would put good money on it.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Assassinated article

Laputan Machine.

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 02:36:34 PM EST

none

The assassination article says that MLK's "assassin" was a racist. Is that really true? The King family considered James Earl Ray a friend according to their website, and the King family's lawyer, Dr. Pepper (not to be confused with the soft drink), with the support of the King family, tried to get James Earl Ray a retrial and out of prison. They believed he was innocent of the killing and was setup.

 

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