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How Many Shots? 21!

pO157.

Posted to Sport on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 04:51:29 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Jesse Drews died last month on his 21st birthday. Not from a heartbreaking disease that took from us a young man in his prime, but from alcohol poisoning. Mr. Drews was participating in a trend, drinking 21 shots of alcohol a 21st birthday.

Twenty-one is the legal drinking age in the United States, and while most young Americans ignore that law and drink on the sly, many celebrate(pdf) their first legal day by going to extremes.

As did Mr. Drews. Although he did not reach his goal of 21 he attempted to be one of the 34% of estimated 21 year olds who drink 21 or more shots on their birthday. At least half of the men and a third of the women who drink on that birthday reach a BAC of 0.26 (Mr. Drews was admitted to the hospital, where he died, with a BAC of 0.38). Researchers and risk management consultants worry because websites like YouTube allow these exploits to be posted online for all to see and copy.

College administrators plan on fighting this latest trend by sending out birthday cards warning people about the dangers of alcohol poisoning and binge drinking. While it is unlikely that custom made Hallmark greetings will cut down on the number of deaths by alcohol poisoning, they argue that adults in their teens and twenties simply need to be made more aware of the dangers they face.

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Alcohol education & responsible drinking....

port1080.

Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 05:09:19 PM EST

5.00 (informative, astute)

Part of the problem here is that we have this weird fetishization of youthful innocence in America. Children shouldn't curse, drink, do drugs, smoke, or fuck, and yet we know that they do all those things prodigiously. Rather than educate them about moderation and safety (as we would and do for people in any other age group), we instead try to impose upon them not only a prohibition on action, but a prohibition on even talking about the subject (abstinence only education, etc.). Kids being kids, they engage in all these activities anyway, but the situation is then made even worse because they don't know anything about proof strength or ABV or what the relative potency of different alcohols are (and we won't even talk about the kids that think tin foil is effective for birth control...). I'll admit to some foolishness myself, the first time I drank. I had an idea of the different strengths of booze and whatnot, but no clue how quickly (or not) doing shots should affect me. So my first real drinking experience my girlfriend and I sat down with a bottle of cheap vodka and started doing shots...and after three or four shots we both felt fine! So we did four more! Then we had the sense to stop, but it was pretty much far too late and we spent the rest of the night cleaning up after each other... I feel fortunate that we did have the sense to quit when we did, because I can easily see how someone with little or no experience with alcohol could easily fool him/her self into thinking that 21 shots is nothing.

This is especially true when you consider that many bars serve shots of mixed low proof liquers that aren't all that potent. It's one thing to do, say, 21 shots of 34 proof Bailey's Irish Cream (you'd probably puke from the richness of it, but it's doubtful you'd get alcohol poisoning). It's quite another thing to do 21 shots of 80 proof Jameson's Irish Whisky, but a surprising number of college students only have a vague notion of the difference ("What, they're both Irish, aren't they the same?"). This sort of confusion is further exasperated by liquers like Southern Comfort, which comes in four different proofs (100, 76, 70, & 42). You could probably safely do 21 shots of the 42 proof, but you'd be in serious trouble if you tried the same with the 100 proof...

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Re: Alcohol education & responsible drinking..

postillion.

Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:42:13 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

I am not convinced that it's lack of alcohol education.  I went to a notorious party college where it was common for students to have their stomachs pumped at the local hospital.  The first week of freshmen orientation involved prolonged sessions of alcohol education, including reading labels for proof, individual weight to alcohol proportions, genetic disposition to alcoholism, differences between wines, hard liquor, and beer, on and on.  Really, they couldn't have taught more about it.

As far as I can tell, it had no effect on drinking on campus. At that age, a lot of kids just think they are invulnerable, immortal, the shit, what have you.  

Perhaps it's what you are saying about the prohibition on drinking until 21.  A lot of kids start drinking in the company of their friends who are equally foolhardy because they are drinking in secret away from their parents.  Instead, perhaps kids should be exposed to what drinking is like among adults, that it's something done during long conversations between good friends, when one has guests over for drink, or something enjoyable at a dinner table.  

And there's occasional drunkenness and occasional stupidity, but on a reasonable level.

 

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Re: Alcohol education & responsible drinking..

gerrymander.

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:07:55 AM EST

none

Instead, perhaps kids should be exposed to what drinking is like among adults, that it's something done during long conversations between good friends, when one has guests over for drink, or something enjoyable at a dinner table.

That's the rub. There's education, and then there's experience. Allowing teens to become accustomed to alcohol in moderation and with parental guidance accomplishes a few things no amount of label-reading ever will: it grants them a longer time to process what effects alcohol does have on the body, and it includes a social custom of responsibility along with the event. Neither of these are true with the "suddenly legal at 21" framework.

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Ahhh... College.

pO157.

Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 08:30:26 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

Good times. I never touched booze until I was 21 +/- 1 month (despite what I put on those stupid anonymous high school "surveys" about drug/alcohol use --- you waste my time, I waste yours, cuz that's how I roll).

Because I could tell College Drinking stories until 4am, I will limit myself to two (2) anecdotes.

But, I made up for it senior year. I had one friend who arranged his schedule to have Monday, Wednesday, and Friday off. The bars in our college town were populated with annoying people on the weekends, so Monday night was party night. The bartender on duty then was not the asshole who would be a dick about everything unless you were a [hot] chick or heavy tipper, but the much easier to relate to older guy in his late 50s wiling away his golden years in a depressing scary bar serving random townies and... us. They even had a town chronic drunk who did soccer games as a ref on the side and would show people getting tossed out a red card. It was fun.

Anywho, I learned sometime Senior year that I was resistant to hangovers, except one time I had a hangover from hell, and the next morning I had to go on a long car ride and to a conference. That was doubleplusungood. (Ironically, because I was too sick to object that was a conference which had me get 'volunteered' to take an administrative leadership position at a major conference held in New Orleans over New Years Eve. So instead of partying half of the nights I stayed up reviewing documents. It was uncool.) Then I wasn't. So, I'd go get really ripped, stay up till 3am and then go to 9am class the next morning. Cuz that's how I rolled. One night I ended up walking to a Denny's in the next town over. Good times. Good times.

I also had another (girl) friend (note: Not 'girlfriend') who liked to go drinking. So on almost every Tuesday night we'd go. This one sketchy bar in question served shots by the... shot, or by the pitcher. Since it was $3 a drink or $9 a pitcher you were better off getting a small pitcher. One night we both had a metric crapload of booze for some reason. I ended up having drank 23½ shots. To this day I am never really sure where the ½ came from, but I know I was ready to go the next morning and she was hungover for an extended period of time. Weird, isn't it?

A few years later and I can't drink more than few rum & cokes without feeling a bit light-headed the next morning. Also, really spicy foods like chicken wings for some reason give me mini-hangovers.

I think I'm over the hill. Anyway, I'm off to listen to 70's Canadian Progressive Rock music.

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Re: Ahhh... College.

thefadd.

Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:18:41 PM EST

4.00 (informative)

Yeah, I finally started feeling like crap the next morning after drinking once I hit 30. Because I'd never experienced hangovers before, I was constantly like, what is wrong with me. It took me a while 'cause I don't have more than one drink all that often anymore but finally I was like, wait a second. This is a hangover. Crap!

Before you go to bed, remember to down the juice from one whole lemon squeezed into 3 table spoons of olive oil. Cleans your liver straight out and doesn't 100% cure the hangover (depending on how severe) but you can absolutely feel the difference. Also if you want to restore your cheap drunk status, do that every night for a couple weeks and voila, you're back to getting tipsy on a few sips of yeungling. Try to do it on an empty stomach/before you sleep though. If you down then eat a meal, it's good for putting on weight.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Ahhh... College.

gerrymander.

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:12:49 AM EST

4.50 (informative, informative)

doesn't 100% cure the hangover

That's because hangovers are a specific symptom of dehydration in the brain. The only cure is drink water (to restore the equilibrium) and take aspirin (to relax blood vessels and allow the water to get to the head quickly).

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Re: Ahhh... College.

thefadd.

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:21:25 PM EST

5.00

Hangover is a pretty general term, at least as I use it. The concoction aids the liver process of getting the alcohol out of your system so it reduces that heavy alcoholled feeling you get in your gut and limbs.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Ahhh... College.

JimmyHavok.

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:30:42 AM EST

4.00 (astute)

I've only had a hangover once, after drinking gin and tonics until I puked (I used to drink until I puked on my birthday, back when I worked in Alaska).  So I don't drink gin anymore.

But one of my friends gets nasty hangovers from even the slightest bit of alcohol, even from wine with dinner.  I've never understood why he drinks at all, I certainly wouldn't do something that made me suffer like that.

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birthday shots

JimmyHavok.

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:33:09 AM EST

4.00 (funny, astute)

This is a compelling argument for lowering the drinking age to 15.

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Re: birthday shots

thefadd.

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:26:01 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

I was going to argue for 16. Of course, at that point I don't see much of a point for a drinking age at all since you're mainly in your parents care and you're their responsibility. My first drink came at a rather tender age. We were at some function and I was young enough that my dad was carrying me. He had grape juice for me and wine for him in those little clear plastic cups. Somehow among talking to people he confused our drinks until he tried my grape juice. By that point, I'd already polished his drink off.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Why not?

MayorBob.

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:26:30 AM EST

1.66 (offtopic, obnoxious, funny)

If we all got thoroughly blitzed, we'd never be sober enough to parse your drivel EVAR!

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Why not?

JimmyHavok.

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:33:06 PM EST

1.50 (obnoxious, offtopic, offtopic)

I think we've identified the MayorBob stalker.

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Whoa. Where Did That Come From.

MayorBob.

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 09:19:30 PM EST

5.00 (astute, astute)

My remark, which I make no pretense of being anything but obnoxious, was to pay you back a little for that bilge about a Swedish vodka company being such a great history teacher (and I was "pissing over" my teacher I believe).  But, I think it might be time to call a timeout here.  

I don't know if you were serious about that line, but you are wrong.  I'm not going to go over old, tired territory here because, frankly, the last thing this site needs is the level of insanity that used to reign supreme over at Plastic.  Let's just come to an agreement that what did or did not happen over in Plastic, remains there, okay?  TnT is a much nicer place than that cesspool of obsessed, uninformed, faux Sherlock Holmes.  No need to shit all over the carpeting here.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Whoa. Where Did That Come From.

JimmyHavok.

Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:00:52 AM EST

1.00 (obnoxious, obnoxious)

I don't know, Bob, the phrasing just seemed so familiar.

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Re: Whoa. Where Did That Come From.

skeeter1.

Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:45:08 PM EST

none

"Let's just come to an agreement that what did or did not happen over in Plastic, remains there, okay?  TnT is a much nicer place than that cesspool of obsessed, uninformed, faux Sherlock Holmes.  No need to shit all over the carpeting here."

I agree with you completely, MayorBob, but I have a hunch that TnT is slowly going to devolve into the same sort of site.  It seems to be happening already.  Only good part of Plastic is that you can block certain users (particularly "AI") from completely screwing up the experience.  My list of blocks over there is fairly long (18 users, to be exact).  It doesn't take long to discover who the obnoxious ones are.  

there's only one way to find out...

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Re: Whoa. Where Did That Come From.

ms sue.

Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:01:35 AM EST

none

Only good part of Plastic is that you can block certain users (particularly "AI") from completely screwing up the experience.  My list of blocks over there is fairly long (18 users, to be exact).  It doesn't take long to discover who the obnoxious ones are.  

I'm probably in the minority here, but I just don't get the huge importance put on the ability to "ignore" or block a user, especially at a site like this where we don't have anonymous posting. But even at Plastic, I think I blocked one person for a couple days. I prefer being able to discern the continuity of a thread, and I can always scroll right past the obnoxious ones.

And I don't see any particular devolution here at TnT. There may be some heated or testy exchanges, but in a way, I see that as a sign of health.

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Re: birthday shots

skeeter1.

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:45:38 AM EST

none

"This is a compelling argument for lowering the drinking age to 15.

Oh heck, why stop there?  I grew up in a Bohemian family, and started drinking beer with my grandpa when I was four.  He'd pour me a shot glass full out of his bottle of beer (Carling's, Leisy's , POC... whatever he had on hand that day), and we'd sit at the kitchen table and had a great time.  

Today, that would get him tossed in jail, and probably would have gotten me yanked out and put into foster care.  This was back in the 1950s.  The time I spent drinking beer with Grandpa Mike (he passed away in 1960), priceless!!  

there's only one way to find out...

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Re: birthday shots

postillion.

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 11:24:02 AM EST

none

God, that reminded me of my cousin who was much older and in college when I was 5.  He let us try out his cigarette.  

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Drinking Till They're Unconscious.

TonedEff.

Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:24:07 AM EST

4.00 (informative)

It's what kids do. They do a lot of stupid, potentially fatal stuff like play chicken, consume questionable chemical compounds, fool around with loaded weapons, surf on the hoods and roofs of moving vehicles, etc.  Their willingness to do these activities is only intensified when groups of them gather.  It's been that way since the first group of young kids gathered together outside of Oog's cave.  The lucky many will survive the experience and live to tell everyone else about the stupid shit they did when they were kids.  The unlucky few will be the subject of internet "how could they be so stupid" stories like poor Mr. Drews.

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Drinking Till They're Unconscious.

TonedEff.

Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:23:47 AM EST

1.00

It's what kids do. They do a lot of stupid, potentially fatal stuff like play chicken, consume questionable chemical compounds, fool around with loaded weapons, surf on the hoods and roofs of moving vehicles, etc.  Their willingness to do these activities is only intensified when groups of them gather.  It's been that way since the first group of young kids gathered together outside of Oog's cave.  The lucky many will survive the experience and live to tell everyone else about the stupid shit they did when they were kids.  The unlucky few will be the subject of internet "how could they be so stupid" stories like poor Mr. Drews.

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Re: How Many Shots? 21!

skeeter1.

Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:43:03 PM EST

none

Never counted the number of shots.  When I was young (that would be a long time ago), the legal drinking age was 18 (3.2% beer).  Well, since I was working in a graphic arts studio part time, it was easy for me to alter my draft card (remember those?) when I was 16 so I suddenly became 18.

College years?  Tequilla parties every now and then, when we could afford them, and sometimes a "purple passion" party (surgical 95% ethanol + Welches grape juice).

Yes, I had a few episodes of "talking to Ralph on the Big White Phone" and "driving the porcelain bus".  Somehow, by the grace of God, I survived.  

I feel bad about the guy, but any noob drinker who tries to put down 21 shots of anything stronger than beer is in big trouble.

there's only one way to find out...

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Re: How Many Shots? 21!

DEMachina.

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:37:56 PM EST

none

...and sometimes a "purple passion" party (surgical 95% ethanol + Welches grape juice).

How much ethanol?  You science people, I swear.  I have a friend in the scienceing field who (aside from being a borderline alcoholic) played around with things like sniffing ether.  Did it on the way to Baltimore for a show; we had to keep the windows down the whole way so that I didn't pass out while driving.

Q: What do you think of western civilization? Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.

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Re: How Many Shots? 21!

pO157.

Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:11:01 AM EST

4.00 (informative)

I can testify that it is not just a science people thing. When I was in New Orleans they served a delightful drink entitled the "190 antifreeze" which mostly consisted of 95% pure grain alcohol (the same strength as your pure ethanol) in a slushee format. For $7.

You shouldn't drink two. You definitely should not get 3.

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Re: How Many Shots? 21!

JimmyHavok.

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 05:31:08 PM EST

none

My dad was a pharmacist, he said when he was in college they would sniff ether for fun.  He said the trick was to tie one of your larger textbooks to the rag with a foot or so of string, then when you passed out, it would be pulled away from your face and you wouldn't suffocate.

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Re: How Many Shots? 21!

postillion.

Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:50:16 PM EST

none

I have to say it: That just sounds so wrong!

First you have the ether sniffing which sounds bad enough.  And then on top of it, the potential for suffocation.  

Our government probably doesn't need a ban on domestic torture.  People seem to be experimenting with it voluntarily.

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Re: How Many Shots? 21!

JimmyHavok.

Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 02:03:05 AM EST

none

And they think kids today are bad: that was back in the '50s.

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