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Man Cook! Man Need Fire!

skeeter1.

Posted to Etcetera on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 06:10:19 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Well, women certainly do lots of cooking, too, but I don't think they're as obsessed about how they cook than men are.  It's a primal thing, I guess.

I've liked cooking on a modest electric range for many years.  It's what I grew up with, and I'm used to them.

No serious home chef would probably want one.  For them, a gas range is the preferred tool.  I've used them before, and somehow always managed to burn myself.

Jenn-Aire sounds like a good idea, but only until you've cooked on one.  They spatter all over the kitchen.  Hope you like cleaning.

No man would ever be without a good gas or charcoal grill, man's favorite fire.

Going out and about?  Get yourself a Coleman  stove.  They're also great if the power goes out when you're in the middle of cooking.  Take my word for it.

woodstoves make great backups, too, but only if it's cool enough outside (<25 degrees F).  I've cooked on mine, but it puts out around 100,000BTUs.   Not something you'd want to light up in the summer.

Let's not forget the microwave for heating up the leftovers.  I wouldn't trade my Panasonic Genius for anything.  

If the weather is good, you can always use a hot dog fork and cook some hotdogs or bratwursts over an open fire, and some marshmallows to make some s'mores for dessert.

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by skeeter1, food, cooking, fire (all tags)

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Re: Man Cook! Man Need Fire!

MC Nally.

Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 06:28:19 PM EST

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Unfortunately I live in a town with no natural gas infrastructure (there's practically nothing in the way of buried utilities here -- even water is problematic in many cases because there's bedrock a few inches below the surface.)  I could have a propane tank installed but filling it would be difficult -- the street I live on is actually a historic wooden boardwalk on the hillside and you must climb about fifty stairs to get here from the nearest paved street.  There's no way for a truck to pull up to my property except via the neighbors' yards.

All of which is a shame, because I'd love to cook with gas.  Unless I want to get a couple of 40 lb. propane tanks and lug them in and out myself, however, electric is what I'm stuck with.  It's not so bad for the oven but I'd really prefer gas on the range-top.

You lucky folks who get to use natural gas for heating, cooking, laundry-drying, hot water, etc. should count your blessings.

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Re: Man Cook! Man Need Fire!

ivyafire.

Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:07:31 PM EST

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Propane isn't bad.  The tanks last for a long time and it saves a bundle over electricity.  Conversion kits are easy to come by.  We converted our grill, dryer and a stove that way and it's far preferable to resigning ourselves to electric.   Granted, the hardware store refills propane about a mile away from our house, but in a pinch the smaller tanks fit in the car and can be filled after work at various locations 'in town.'

"It was an ancient rule of Hawaiians that no one should hurt another bodily, or through theft of goods or through injury to feelings.These were the only sins."

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Re: Man Cook! Man Need Fire! Man Travel Light!

zyxwvutsr.

Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:27:24 PM EST

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Coleman?! I don't know what you consider "out and about," but a MSR Pocket Rocket is more my idea of a portable stove.

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Re: Man Cook! Man Need Fire! Man Travel Light!

MC Nally.

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:17:09 AM EST

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Coleman?! I don't know what you consider "out and about," but a MSR Pocket Rocket is more my idea of a portable stove.
It's probably not what he meant by "Coleman stove" (by default that conjures up an image of their propane-canister car-camping models -- I've got one of those, too, for when we boat out to one of the USFS cabins scattered through this part of Southeast Alaska) but I've got a very nice little liquid-fuel Coleman backpacking stove that I've been using for (let's see..  wow!) more than 15 years with terrific results.  Every time I bring it on a trip with other backpackers the MSR owners start out sneering at me -- "oh, you have a Coleman.." is the typical opener, followed by an explanation of how their Whisperlite is engineered to work at Everest Base Camp or some such.  I refrain from pointing out that I am not at Everest Base Camp, nor ever expect to be, and simply cook whatever part of the meal I'm responsible for.  Generally by the end of the trip the Whisperlite owners are in awe of my stove's ability to cook a meal without scorching, due to its unheard of ability to actually control its heat output over a useful range ("Wait a minute?  You can simmer?")  I haven't tried the Pocket Rocket and don't know whether it's got better control than the other MSR stoves I've used, but don't go badmouthing my Coleman where I can hear you..  I'm sure there are lighter stoves, better choices for high altitude, more efficient models, etc, but mine has been a reliable little workhorse that has served me well over the years.

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Re: Man Cook! Man Need Fire! Man Travel Light!

skeeter1.

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:42:42 AM EST

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"I've got a very nice little liquid-fuel Coleman backpacking stove that I've been using for (let's see..  wow!) more than 15 years with terrific results."

That's exactly what I'm talking about.  I've had the same little 1-burner liquid-fueled Coleman stove for 30 years, and it still works just fine.  One tank-load of fuel is good for a week-long backpacking trip.  It might not be the lightest thing around, but I doubt like hell that a MSR "pocket rocket" will last as long.  

there's only one way to find out...

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Re: Man Cook! Man Need Fire! Man Travel Light!

zyxwvutsr.

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 07:01:35 PM EST

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...don't go badmouthing my Coleman where I can hear you
I've not nothing against the Coleman name, and you're right that I was thinking of far larger stoves - the sort I've seen anglers using on the beach.

The Pocket Rocket is not in the same class of device as the Coleman Apex, or, for that matter, the MSR Simmerlight (that can simmer just fine). The Pocket Rocket is great for short hiking trips because it's extraordinarily lightweight and puts out a hell of a lot of heat. (It's pretty loud, too.) Canister stoves are not well suited for long trips (more than a week), high altitudes, or cold weather. But for a 2-4 night hiking trip, the Pocket Rocket is a nice stove.

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Port1080's History of Heat

port1080.

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:52:14 AM EST

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Growing up I never really knew the joys of natural gas, as my parents lived in a rural area (no natural gas infrastructure, in fact not really any infrastructure whatsoever).  We could have had propane, I suppose, but we didn't, so I grew up with electric stoves.  We did have a wood stove in an outbuilding, though, that we used if there were extended power outages (which there occasionally were - no infrastructure, remember?).  I have to say that the wood stove was excellent for things like breakfast foods (having the wood smoke smell permeate everything didn't hurt, I'm sure).  We also had a pretty cool waffle iron that was made for wood stoves - probably made some of the best waffles I've ever had.  The wood stove was not very good for baking though - it's a bitch to maintain an even heat in such an oven.  Side note - has anyone ever used a brick bake oven?  I've always kind of wanted to build/try a simple one but I've never quite managed to get enough motivation.  Back on track - I was in Boy Scouts and did a fair amount of camping out, etc., so I also learned the joys of cooking over an open wood fire.

Once I moved out my first place was an apartment, which had a pretty awful electric stove.  Most of the heating elements needed to be replaced, but as long as they put out at least some heat the management was rather reluctant to do so.  Being an apartment, we didn't have many other options - weren't allowed to have a grill of any sort.  When my wife and I moved out of there and bought a house, for whatever reason pretty much every house in our budget had electric ranges.  The one we ended up with actually has a gas line to the house, and has gas heat, but does not have a gas stove.  I suppose we should shell out to have a gas stove installed, but the house came with an almost new (probably about 4 or 5 years old) electric range, so it was difficult to justify the extra expense.  Almost as soon as we moved in we bought a gas grill and a charcoal grill, though, and I often use those options as long as it's reasonably temperate out.

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skeeter1.

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:39:43 PM EST

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"I suppose we should shell out to have a gas stove installed, but the house came with an almost new (probably about 4 or 5 years old) electric range, so it was difficult to justify the extra expense.  Almost as soon as we moved in we bought a gas grill and a charcoal grill, though, and I often use those options as long as it's reasonably temperate out."

Oh, your electric range is going to last alot longer.  My GE is 30 years old and rather beat up, and I've had to replace one burner, but it's still going strong.  There is a gas line on my street, but I don't have it in the house, only electric.  My nextdoor neighbor had gas run to his house a couple of years ago, and his heating bill is higher than mine, by quite a bit (2X), so I'm in no rush.  

Regarding your comment about brick ovens, I've seen them in restaurants, but never tried to use one myself.  You might want to try a baking stone in your oven.  Might work just fine, and a lot cheaper than building a brick stove.  If you want to add that "smokey flavor", you might try a smoker box.  I've used one on the propane grill for several years, and I've got a couple of old apple trees that I'm going to take down this summer.  Guess where the woodchips are going?  The tree man is a buddy of mine, so I get my "pick-of-the-litter" when it comes to woodchips.  Apple is just fine by me.

One of these days, I'm going to have to break down and get an honest-to-goodness smoker.  Liquid smoke is good in a pinch, but I'm sure it's nowhere near as good as the real thing.  

Just have to keep experimenting, I guess!

there's only one way to find out...

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Re: Port1080's History of Heat

postillion.

Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:47:51 AM EST

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I've used both electric and gas ranges, and far prefer gas.  The amount of control that gas ranges can give is crucial, so much so that it's one of my top questions whenever I look at new apartments each time I move.  There's an egg soup I make that requires very low heat for a long time and which I found practically impossible to make on an electric range.

I am fascinated by your waffle iron story.  Cast iron?

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port1080.

Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:04:00 AM EST

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I am fascinated by your waffle iron story. Cast iron?

Yes, something very much like this, except an antique version (my father was in the antiques business for a number of years).

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Re: Port1080's History of Heat

postillion.

Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:41:31 AM EST

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Thanks very much for the link!

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Re: Port1080's History of Heat

skeeter1.

Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:15:45 PM EST

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You might also want to take a look at this one as well.

http://www.lehmans.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=6502&itemType=PRODUCT&RS=1& ;keyword=waffle

One of the advantages of living very close to Amish country.  

there's only one way to find out...

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postillion.

Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:40:33 AM EST

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That website has one of the most beautiful ovens I've ever seen.

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skeeter1.

Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:26:40 PM EST

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"That website has one of the most beautiful ovens I've ever seen."

Oh, they are!  Trust me, I start to drool every time I walk into the store.  Only problem is, they cost thousands of dollars.  If I could afford one, I'd have it in a heartbeat.  The plain-old $500 GE electric stove has been working for 30 years now, so I'm not complaining.

there's only one way to find out...

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Re: Port1080's History of Heat

port1080.

Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:09:04 AM EST

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We had one like that, too, which I think is better for cooking just over an open fire (like when you're camping), but I think the design I linked to is better if you're actually cooking over a wood stove. It has an independent base and wood handles, which makes it much easier to flip (the iron part swivels on a ball joint in the base).

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