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Just How Much Do We Appreciate Their Service Then?

MayorBob.

Posted to Politics on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:00:44 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Congress is in the process of considering the most massive expansion to the GI Bill since World War II. Democratic leaders in both houses are solidly behind the measure with Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D - CA) calling it a "thank you" to the men and women who have put their lives on the line for the nation. President George Bush, obviously thinking the men and women in uniform have been thanked enough, will veto it if it passes. He essentially says it's too much of a "thank you" to his liking.

The measure being sponsored by US Senator Jim Webb (D - VA) would give a full college scholarship to an in-state public university plus a housing stipend to any veteran who served at least three years in uniform. The bill also extends by five years the time in which a veteran has to use his benefits to a maximum of 15 years. Webb said that beyond basic fairness in treatment of veterans, the bill would also be a much needed recruiting tool, "I can't think of a better way to broaden (the) propensity to serve than to offer a truly meaningful educational benefit." The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated the total cost of the bill (5 pg pdf doc) at just over (US)$50 billion over ten years.

President Bush is in favor of a more modest Republican-sponsored bill sponsored by US Senators Lindsay Graham (R - SC), John McCain (R - AZ) and Richard Burr (R - NC). Their measure would increase the monthly benefit by $400 a month to a maximum of $1,500 per month with no changes to the ten year limit for use following separation. Bush also wants to separate the GI Bill measure from the funding bill to continue military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, currently estimated at more than $100 billion per year. Bush has urged congressional Republicans to dig in their heels and fight to defeat the bill and, failing that, stand firm to uphold his veto. Democratic Party leaders are likewise firm in standing behind the bill, figuring in a worst-case scenario, a veto would be upheld and the matter could become an election issue. Could it? Judging from the way Barack Obama is blasting away at John McCain over his failure to support Webb's bill, you may now begin betting the ranch and the dog on it.

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by MayorBob, veterans, GI Bill, George Bush, Iraq, political ploy (all tags)

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Shoddy journalism, Miami university

postillion.

Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:19:31 PM EST

5.00 (informative, informative)

I nearly choked when I read that portion of the CBS article (I think it was the second link) saying that education at Miami University in Ohio, was worth somewhere in the $30,000 range value.

Well, not exactly.  It depends on whether one is a resident of the state and whether one is rooming with the university or not.  Maximum estimated cost is $35,000 for out of state student paying room board with the university.  Tuition for those on the GI Bill as an Ohio resident will have almost all of tuition covered.  Given that, there's an exaggeration in the way the bill is being covered by the media (surprise).

It's no surprise that the current administration is against this bill given that even as our president happily shakes hands with Iraqi vets and meets with survivors of deceased soldiers, there are reports of vets being turned away from hospitals instead of receiving treatment for PTSD, as well as soldiers who are basically taken off duty a day before they were eligible for all the benefits of the current GI Bill.    

The legacy of Donald Rumsfeld hovers with his promise to make the Pentagon follow corporate business practices.

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I support your service.

pO157.

Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:49:36 PM EST

5.00 (astute, informative)

I thought I would interrupt the thread to thank MayorBob for posting his 250th story.

I think you have the thanks of a grateful internet discussion forum, Señor Alcalde.

Spread it on!

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And likewise to you.

MayorBob.

Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:45:44 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

Mr. 222 and counting.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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poison pill

gerrymander.

Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:44:03 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

Bah. Just have some Republican senator tag a last-minute amendment which authorizes Bush to declare war on Iran as part of the Iraq War, and watch how fast the Democrat support for omnibus bill dissolves.

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One man's poison

Lou.

Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:03:08 PM EST

none

Is the same man's poison.  Sure, some republican could tag on such an amendment...but how many republicans would want to go on record as giving the green light to invade Iran?  Good luck with that.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: One man's poison

pO157.

Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:51:56 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

I dunno, a bunch of Republicans went on record as going against a GOP declaration of war against Iraq back in '02 and look where we ended up.

Spread it on!

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Re: One man's poison

gerrymander.

Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:21:54 PM EST

none

Republicans want this bill to fail, and their version to succeed. If an "attack Iran" amendment causes both to happen, they get to say, "See? Even Democrats preferred our GI Bill!" If an "attack Iran" amendment causes the Democrat version to fail and the Democrats refuse to sign on to the other version, Republicans get to say, "See? Democrats hate the troops!" It doesn't matter how many of them would actually vote to attack Iran.

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The campaign slogans write themselves

Lou.

Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:57:05 PM EST

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That's nuts...that would be giving a clear shot to any dem who is running against a rep for a seat in the house or senate.

Democrat candidate: It seems that our senator not only wants to improve our veterans hospitals and give more educational benefits...but he also wants more young men and women to fill those hospitals while at the same time ensuring that there are less of them to take advantage of the education benefits.

Brilliant. I really do hope some rep puts in your "poison pill".

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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