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pO157.

Posted to Etcetera on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:54:41 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

The American Psychiatric Association has announced (pdf) the list of practitioners that will draft the next Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. Given that so many conditions listed in the current DSM are sexual in nature, and subject to delisting many are closely watching the names appointees as a sign of which way the APA will shift in drawing the line for sexual "deviance."

The DSM, the "bible of psychiatry" was last revised in 1994. Since 1999 there have been informal discussions about producing a fifth edition, or DSM-IV. Since "there has been no pre-set limitation on the nature and degree of change that work groups can recommend for DSM-V" the choice of psychiatrists, therapists and experts to make up the work groups is a major decision. A working group could choose to remove a condition's classification as a mental disorder, modify definitions for an illness, or define new maladies.

Before the work even began there has been controversy over the naming of some members to the Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders (pdf) working group. While on their face, all members seem quite qualified (pdf), petitions have been circulated among transgender organizations to have the chair of the working group removed due to his affiliation with alleged "junk science" -- that is, studying whether children who are confused about their gender can be treated by "encouraging gender expression in line with their anatomy."

The chair, Dr. Zucker, rejects the allegations of junk science. "[There] has to be an empirical basis to modify anything [in the DSM]. In my own career, my primary motivation in working with children, adolescents and families is to help them with the distress and suffering they are experiencing, whatever the reasons they are having these struggles. I want to help people feel better about themselves, not hurt them."

The vice-chair overseeing the effort is not surprised by the controversy. Dr. Darrel Regier, of Virginia, stated he knew emotions would run high during any discussion of "normal" sexual urges and practices. However, he says it is important to note that the APA puts experts with differing views on each panel to weight the scientific evidence and come to a consensus that can be accepted by the entire body.

Of course, saying the working groups will work emotionlessly toward a consensus is easy to do. A daunting task remains ahead of them, such as discussing and deciding if it is the view of psychiatry that less popular sexual activities such as voyeurism and klismaphilia are "normal" or mental disorders.

The APA expects the DSM-V to be published and released sometime in 2012.

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skeptic.

Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:46:15 AM EST

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I read the sexual advice column "Savage Love" by Dan Savage - it is a somewhat voyeuristic practice of mine, given that I don't actually feel the need for any sexual advice.  Other people's sexual concerns can be amusing.  Anyway, Mr. Savage approaches sexual issues with a tremendous sense of practicality.  He does certainly have a good sense of morality, but he places his morality into the context of what will actually be workable and helpful for the people who seek his advice.  I think that this kind of attitude would be essential for the psychiatric classification of sexual disorders.  Indeed, were such a thing possible (which I'm sure it isn't) I would choose Dan Savage for the DSM working group.

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pO157.

Mon May 26, 2008 at 02:08:13 PM EST

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I also find his columns fun, although like you I don't really feel the need for advice. It's just amusing when he gets picked up by MSNBC and reading some of the mail he gets. Crazy job.

As for the topic, I don't understand why they can't just go by the general rule of "if it is between consenting adults and nobody is hurt (mentally or physically) in the near or long term then it is probably okay" rule. It seems like it would make things much more easier.

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harzerkatze.

Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:32:32 AM EST

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As for the topic, I don't understand why they can't just go by the general rule of "if it is between consenting adults and nobody is hurt (mentally or physically) in the near or long term then it is probably okay" rule. It seems like it would make things much more easier.
Well, as far as I can see, that is not so easy, since the "nobody gets hurt (mentally or physically)" thing can be very tricky. Remember there are millions of possible cases out there.

First of, I have no real knowledge of the subject and am talking right out of my posterior here. But since few here seem really qualified to talk on the subject on a scientific level, that's the way to get a discusion going I guess.

I have heard (having no real knowledge on the subject) that a rule of thumb of what is a mental disorder and what is not is defined by the question: Does it interfere massively with your life? Of course there are mental illnesses that are really neural illnesses and can be detected and defined otherwise, but the question if you are e.g. depressed isn't defined by a hormone level of this or that, but if your depressive symptoms are graet enough to sufficiently interfere with your life. Same goes with most other mental illnesses AFAIK: As long as they don't really interfere with life, they are not an illness, only when they become obstacles.

Now, speaking of sexual things, that can be a very difficult question. Love and sex are famous for making everything complicated, and the most vanilla sexual desires have fucked up many a life.
Example: Quite some republican's political career has been destroyed because of homosexual longings the person had, but did not want to have, thus seeing homosexuality as something evil, campaigning against gays, then giving in to his supprressed longings, being found out etc. We all know the story. If you ask said republican, he would probablY say (of course not in public) that homosexuality destroyed his career. So, people get hurt because of homosexuality? Is it a mental disorder then?
It is hard to draw the line where the desire itself is the problem or the reaction to the desire or something else that just looks like the effect of the desire.

Since the manual doesn't even go as far as "disorder", but talks about "deviance", it becomes even more complicated. Wikipedia defines "deviance" as actions or behaviors that violate cultural norms including formally-enacted rules as well as informal violations of social norms (e.g.nose-picking). Sometimes I feel that both having sex itself is breaking a social norm (seeing how it is still tabooed in many ways) as well as having no sex (seeing how media present it). So I have no idea where a behaviour that probably happens in a private context violates informal social norms.
On the other hand, I agree that it is not nice to be labeled a deviant because of what one does with one's grown-up partner at home.

Hmmmm. The problem may be that the term deviance isn't one that just makes sociologist express a happy "what a fine specimen" when they meet someone labeled thus, it makes non-sociologist go "what a freak". Perhaps the term had better be changed into something neutral? On the other hand, gay seemed to be a word for happy originally, and that didn't help. But I have certain doubts that "breaks a social norm" can really be defined in an exact scientific way, seeing how diffuse those norms are. So maybe an in/out dichotomy like deviant/not-deviant is just not applicable, and should be forgone for an "common/uncommon" dichotomy that is more neutral.

Dan Savage once wrote in one of his columns, being gay was once labeled by a scientist as "abnorm", and when people protested, the scientist said it was a neutral term, meaning it was not the norm. If said scientist was not disingenious but simply naive, it would have been somewhat similar to this: The scientific use and meaning of words can be very different from the general meaning, and when both are mixed, things often go boom.  

So in short, I am happy I don't have to sit on that defining panel: Whatever they do, it will probably be wrong.

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skeptic.

Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:36:55 PM EST

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Yes, a Republican (and there are several) whose career is ruined by a gay sex scandal might claim that homosexuality ruined his life, but more accurately, it is Republicanism which ruined his life, since gay people who do not drive themselves crazy about it generally find that homosexuality enhances, rather than ruins their lives.

While (in current thinking, at least) homosexuality is not a mental illness, there is a mental illness which involves being unhappy about being homosexual.  That could be classified as a form of sexual dysphoria.

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