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Big Brown Delivers Derby - Derby Delivers Death To Eight Belles

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Posted to Sport on Sun May 04, 2008 at 08:43:56 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Promising race horse extraordinaire, Big Brown, demolished the field and put himself in the position to make a legitimate run at the Triple Crown with his historic run at the 134th running of the Kentucky Derby.

Big Brown's trainer, Richard Dutrow, had boasted all week that every other horse was running for 2nd place - while Dutrow undoubtedly rubbed a few competitors the wrong way with his trash-talk, such talk will largely be forgotten in the wake of the tragedy that occurred just seconds after the finish of the race as the 2nd place finisher, Eight Belles had to be euthanized on the track after breaking both ankles while winding down past the finish line. The cruel tragedy has once again put a spotlight on an industry that's recently had a spate of high profile deaths incurred by racing, including the death of Barbaro after shattering a bone in the Preakness, and the euthanization of George Washington after breaking a bone in '07s Breeders' Cup. The debate now will likely center on whether or not the horses are being bred for short-term gain for the owners with the horses paying for such breeding with their lives:

There is no turning away from this fact: Eight Belles killed herself finishing second. She ran with the heart of a locomotive, on champagne-glass ankles for the pleasure of the crowd...
...But thoroughbred racing is in a moral crisis, and everyone now knows it. Twice since 2006, magnificent animals have suffered catastrophic injuries on live television in Triple Crown races, and there is no explaining that away. Horses are being over-bred and over-raced, until their bodies cannot support their own ambitions, or those of the humans who race them.

Lost in the chaos of Eight Belles' death was a friendly wager between corporate giants UPS and KFC with $10,000 dollars going to the winner's charity of choice. With Big Brown's (the Horse) win, Metro United Way will be the beneficiary of what Big Brown (the company) delivered. For those wondering, the horse is indeed named after the delivery giant's industry nickname and UPS has apparently thrown some sponsorship money at the aptly-named Derby winner:

Big Brown accomplished his winning race in 2:01.82. As the 2-1 favorite, he returned mutuels of $6.80, $5 and $4.80. He is owned by IEAH Stables and Paul P. Pompa Jr., and he was named for Pompa's business connections with UPS.

While there was really only one question coming into this year's Kentucky Derby: would Big Brown live up to the hype and win the race? Now the questions become harder:

For horse racing aficianados, the 4 3/4-length victory by Big Brown at the Kentucky Derby fueled hopes that thoroughbred racing will see its first Triple Crown winner in three decades.  But for the millions of casual followers of the Sport of Kings, the wish was likely simpler:

Can we have a big-time race day without seeing a valiant four-legged competitor crippled and condemned to death?

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by 1fastdog, Kentucky Derby, Big Brown, Eight Belles, euthanasia, breeding, Barbaro, UPS, Richard Dutrow (all tags)

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Over breeding, yes, over racing, no

Steve Urkel.

Sun May 04, 2008 at 10:40:18 PM EST

5.00 (interesting, interesting, astute)

Horses aren't being over raced. This is part of the problem. By being lightly raced, and racing while medicated, more fragile horses are able to go on and breed.  Andy Beyer explains it well:

In 1960, the average U.S. racehorse made 11.3 starts per year. The number has fallen almost every year, and now the average U.S. thoroughbred races a mere 6.3 times per year. Almost every trainer whose career spans the decades will acknowledge that thoroughbreds aren't as robust as they used to be.

There are at least two good explanations for this phenomenon. In earlier eras, most people bred horses in order to race them, and they had a stake in the animals' soundness. By contrast, modern commercial breeders produce horses in order to sell them, and if those horses are unsound, they become somebody else's problem. Because buyers want horses with speed, breeders have filled the thoroughbred species with the genes of fast but unsound horses.  

As this change in the breeding world took place, the sport was allowing the use of pain-killers and other medications that are forbidden in most other countries. They allow infirm horses to achieve success, go to stud and pass on their infirmities to the next generation.

The fact that the biggest race in American horse racing is for 3 year olds only compounds the problem.

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Re: Over breeding, yes, over racing, no

Shy Elf.

Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:44:15 PM EST

none

So, you go to all that time and effort to raise and train a racehorse, and you're only going to race it six times a year?  No wonder the economics of horse racing has gotten worse.

I'll be shocked if Big Brown sees more than 9 starts over his whole career.  He only had 3 going into the Derby.  This is the new pattern.

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Re: Over breeding, yes, over racing, no

Steve Urkel.

Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:04:49 PM EST

none

I would be somewhat surprised if he isn't retired after the Belmont.

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it's inevitable

JimmyHavok.

Sun May 04, 2008 at 11:22:54 PM EST

none

Given that winning races is the only metric, a fragile horse that wins will be preferred over a healthy horse that doesn't.  Make sturdiness a metric, and you'll see sturdier horses.

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Re: Big Brown Delivers Derby - Derby Delivers Deat

Lou.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:03:04 AM EST

none

I don't know if this picture is indicative of the current breeding practices, but it does make graphic the idea of champagne-glass ankles.

WWGE: Who Would Gordon Enslave?

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Re: Big Brown Delivers Derby - Derby Delivers Deat

thefadd.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:07:57 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Hell, those ankles are plain robust compared to some I've seen down at the track. I was just looking at a brochure put together for a breeding center run by a friend of a friend. Those horses are beautiful but they look like David Boston. Urkel's comment is dead on about the breeding issues. So long as there are people out there who will just buy for speed, that's what they'll be bred for. Too bad there isn't some way to institute Havok's observation but I just don't see how.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Support Your Local Puppy Mill

Shy Elf.

Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:32:44 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

Just look at those muscles.  That's not a Thoroughbred.  It's a Quarter Horse.  Thoroughbreds in general have even skinnier legs and ankles than Quarter Horses.  Thoroughbreds are in general the fastest riding animals only between the distances of roughly half a mile and two miles.  Over shorter distances Quarter Horses are faster, and over longer distances Arabians are faster.

Second by 4 3/4 lengths is really a better performance, given that Eight Belles was a filly.

Legs move quickly, and weight in the legs is worth several times as much elsewhere on the horse.  All else being equal, the horse with the smallest leg bones will win.  People are going to breed the horses who can win.  The only way out I can see is to assess a weight penalty against horses with leg bones which are too small.  This is really not so much of a problem yet, at 0.2% of starting horses dying in the US, but that's up from 0.05% a few decades ago and it's only going to get worse.  It's about 0.13% at Aquaduct, about 0.35% at the major track in California, and about .03% in Hong Kong.  That sounds low, but if you have 100 horses racing over a day, that's about a 20% chance of one of the horses dying on any given race day.

There's also the problem of lung bleeding.  Horses have always bled a bit in their lungs when run hard, but it's getting worse and worse with Thoroughbreds.

There's also the problem of the closed stud book.  Let's for example say I take a champion Arabian, breed it for three generations with Thoroughbreds and due to hybrid vigor get a horse which can break the world record and run a mile and a half in 2:20.  Can I race it?  Nope.  It's not a Thoroughbred.  The big races are for Thoroughbreds only.  Can I breed it?  Nope.  It's not a Thoroughbred.  It's only 7/8ths Thoroughbred.  Not good enough.

Once you close the stud book and stop accepting outside blood, whatever your breed it starts deteriorating due to genetic drift, to a degree which is roughly the sum over all individuals ever of the cube of the fraction of the blood from that individual in the current generation.  If you look at Thoroughbred bloodlines, they're full of the same hundred or so champion horses, which is just barely O.K. if you have the same amount of blood from each of the hundred but is certainly in the danger area for overbreeding if you aren't distributing the blood from the champions evenly.

I remember when we took the Samoyed I grew up with in to get bred.  We only did this once, since she started biting people around the puppies.  Anyhow, she had extra long hair even for a Samoyed, which is the trait they were interested in.  They didn't like the pink spots on her nose.  OK, it's be a little better if her nose were all black, no problem.  But what they really didn't like was that she liked to spread her legs and pull, instead of prancing.  Hello?  Isn't this supposed to be a sled dog?  Aren't they supposed to be sturdy and not be fragile and prance?

Anyhow, the professional dog breeders will tell you that what we need to do is leave all the dog breeding to them, so that we can breed only a few the best animals, and get a high percentage of genetic material from show champions.  They say you should stay away from puppy mills because if you let dogs breed randomly you get dogs with shoulder problems.  Yet the reason the random breeding gives dogs with shoulder problems is the genetic drift caused by the reputable breeders.  It's the reputable breeders who are making the genes worse, and the puppy mills which are cleaning it up by letting the genes for bad shoulders be expressed and removed from the population.

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Re: Big Brown Delivers Derby - Derby Delivers Deat

Steve Urkel.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:35:29 PM EST

none

You could ban the drugs. Doing so would put many small time trainers out of business, and probably result in some of the smaller tracks closing. But you would probably have that consolidation in the long run anyway.

I don't see how you get past the incentives stemming from the Derby. The biggest races in Europe are turf races often at longer distances and elegible for older horses, only durable horses will be the winners of those kinds of races. Not only is there a lack of durability, the Derby has skewed things so much in America most Derby winners don't truly have classic distance stamina.

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physics vs physiology

JimmyHavok.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:49:01 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

It could be that just increasing the distance would force breeders to choose for robustness rather than simple acceleration.  The slim bones of sprinters are chosen for their light weight, too light to support the muscles that drive them for very long.  If the races were longer, they both wouldn't need to be so light, and they couldn't afford to be so light.

It might be that three years simply isn't enough time for a horse's bones to mature, either, so their steroid-driven muscles are simply too powerful for their immature bones.  According to Wikipedia:

Horses four years old are considered mature, though the skeleton usually finishes developing at the age of six, and the precise time of completion of development also depends on the horse's size

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Re: physics vs physiology

Steve Urkel.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:19:53 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

The age is a factor, not only are they three, they are just barely three. But the Derby's always been for three year olds, and it's always the first Saturday in May. That isn't going to change.

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Re: physics vs physiology

JimmyHavok.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:14:49 PM EST

none

From my reading, I get the idea that the Derby was intended as a breeder's showcase for young horses, and that's why three-year-olds are raced.  So that won't change.

But other races feature older horses and longer distances, so I would think that the features that make a Derby winner wouldn't necessarily make a working racer, so the people buying stud services are a) looking for their own Derby winner, or b) going for the celebrity status of a Derby sire, whether for their own ego or for the resale value, so glass ankles don't matter too much to them.

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thefadd.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:26:51 AM EST

none

a) looking for their own Derby winner, or b) going for the celebrity status of a Derby sire, whether for their own ego or for the resale value, so glass ankles don't matter too much to them.

Exactly.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: physics vs physiology

Shy Elf.

Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:40:38 PM EST

none

The problem isn't so much that the Derby is the biggest race so much as it is now so much the biggest race that what happens as a 4 year old hardly matters at all.  Looking at the records, the prime racing years for a horse are between ages 3-7.

I'm convinced it's the dominant importance of the 3 year old races which has stopped the size increase of Thoroughbreds.  All else being equal, bigger horses are a little bit faster, but if they get any bigger than their current size, they don't grow up quickly enough to be ready for the major races.

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They won't be able to take it.

Lou.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:10:51 PM EST

none

Longer races, that is.  Not the horses, but the typical short attention span American viewer.

WWGE: Who Would Gordon Enslave?

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Lou.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:46:48 PM EST

4.66 (funny, funny, funny)

You could ban the drugs.

No disrespect, Gord.  I really appreciate your thoughts on this matter.  It's just that as soon as I read this, all I could think of was Mr. Ed testifying before congress.

Senator: Mr. Ed -You took a vow to tell the truth...now, I ask you again, have you ever used steroids or equine growth hormone to improve your performance?

Mr. Ed:  No sir...Wilbur assured me that the injections were a mixture of vitamins and carrot juice.  I feel so used! (breaks down into sobbing whinnies)

2nd Senator - Senator, you have done enough. Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

WWGE: Who Would Gordon Enslave?

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Mr. Ed As The Equine Barry Bonds?

MayorBob.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:59:13 PM EST

none

Say It Ain't So, Willllllllburrrrrrr!

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Steve Urkel.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:25:47 PM EST

none

That's funny.

It goes beyone steroids (which in the US are legal up to a point, I don't know the details). Trainer Patrick Biancone was suspended because cobra venom was found in his barn...

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Lou.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:37:04 PM EST

none

Full disclosure: I know nothing about horses other than their poop is good for gardens and they can kick and bite if you're not careful.

That being said I wonder if you could create a metric for robustness...sort of weight per inch of ankle circumference.

WWGE: Who Would Gordon Enslave?

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thefadd.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:46:13 PM EST

none

I think Urk is right, you need to ban the drugs and and run them at longer distances. The industry is simply so corrupt and de-centralized that it's hard to see that actually happening. I've always felt lasix was a major part of the problem--it wasn't always legal.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Big Brown Delivers Derby - Derby Delivers Deat

Steve Urkel.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:34:55 PM EST

none

Talk to older handicappers about what it was like before it was listed in the form when horses were recieving lasix.

You can't make people care about races for 4 year olds. Even with bigger purses, everyone wants to win the Derby.

If someone wins with some horse bred out of left field (like Brazil) it would shake up the gene pool. Of course even if that happened there's no gurantee that the new blood would increase durability, but it might.

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How about racing draft horses

skeeter1.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:07:49 PM EST

none

I shed tears when I saw Eight Belles go down.  I've ridden a Thoroughbred horse once, and it scared the hell out of me.  

Give me the big ones instead.  Clydesdales, Belgians, and Percherons.  I'm lucky to live within an hours drive of Ohio Amish countryside and have seen these magnificent draft horses many, many times.  They're just beautiful.  Slow moving, but I doubt they break many legs.  

there's only one way to find out...

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