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Already hatin'

Lou.

Posted to Diary on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:55:58 PM EST. RSS.

I've run out of words to describe how much I hate her. From here on out, it'll just be a series of plaintive wails into the cold and godless universe.
                                                                quote found on Wonkette

If Hillary wins against McCain in November (she won't), at least I'll be able to keep my funky hate-the-president vibe going.

Is it because she's Hillary?

Not really.  I used to like her.

Is it because she so cravenly lied about being under sniper fire?

That's a start.

Is it because of her derision against "egghead" economists who say that the Free Summer Gas Tax Vacation is a bad thing?

Ooooh, yeah...feelin' the hate.

Ok then...is it this mailer that features a specially customized left handed German rifle pointed at Obama's head?

Oh yeah....I've got my hate face on.  What a great idea...let's put a reversed picture (for dramatic effect, doncherknow?) of a rifle sort of pointed at Obama's head on a mailer sent out to a voter demographic that will never...ever...not once in a million years...vote for her.

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QED

gerrymander.

Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:22:59 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

And thus, we see demonstrated half the reason why I think McCain has a good chance to take the White House in November. At the most basic level, winning an election is all about "Get Out The Vote". If Clinton gets the DNC nod, Republicans will turn out in droves to keep That Bitch away from the Oval Office. Democrats, on the other hand, are likely to find some non-negligible percentage of their voters just won't show up at the polls, unwilling to stop being Obama supporters (or at least, unwilling to convert to Hillary).

To some extent, I find this gratifying for all the obvious reasons. But there's also that part of me which keeps thinking, "what the Hell is wrong with Democrats?" If I'm right about November, this will be the third presidential election in a row they've thrown away. Are these really the best candidates they have?

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Re: QED

Steve Urkel.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:44:35 PM EST

5.00 (interesting, astute)

How is McCain the best candidate the Republicans have? All three are the candidates that the media wants. I don't think this is a coincidence.

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Re: QED

pO157.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:44:55 AM EST

none

To some extent, I find this gratifying for all the obvious reasons. But there's also that part of me which keeps thinking, "what the Hell is wrong with Democrats?" If I'm right about November, this will be the third presidential election in a row they've thrown away. Are these really the best candidates they have?

Sad, isn't it?

The best that can possibly come out of this is the Dems have their party ripped to shreds from within. Hopefully a new better one takes its place, or a third party grows. I won't hold my breath. You have too many idiots who will vote D or R because their daddy did it like that and so did their daddy and such. What moderately reasonable people like us forget is there is so much inertia in the electorate from people who are uneducated, subject to emotional appeals, or who just plain don't put the time and thought into their vote like many other people do. That is one of the big problems. Otherwise, voters would have demanded Real Change (tm) a long time ago.

What I want to know is how anybody can buy Hilldog's BS idea that more deficit spending (cut on gas taxes) without reducing government waste will do anything positive in the long run. Maybe what our country needs is $5 a gallon gas for a while, then we can do some serious soul searching.

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Re: QED

Lou.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:44:42 AM EST

none

unwilling to stop being Obama supporters (or at least, unwilling to convert to Hillary).

Actually, from the conversations I've been hearing in my home town, it's been the other way around.  If Obama wins, the Hilz supporters will stay home.  Of course, this comes from a small town in Maine...YPMV.  

Come November, will I vote for Hilz over McCain?  Yes...but I guarantee I'll be drunk at the polls...it's the only way I could vote.  Is Hilz a better choice than McCain?  That's hard to say.  I do know that McCain will just be a continuation of the same bullshit we've endured for the last eight years.  And yes...the lesser of two evils is still evil.  But in these troubled times, I say it's time for a NEW EVIL!  Clinton '08!

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: QED

Steve Urkel.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:03:59 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Speaking as a conservative, I think Hillary would be better than McCain. Her attempts to move the country leftward will face Republican opposition, his won't. He is also randomly bellicose (why is he trying to pick a fight with Russia?), and he sucks up to the media.

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Re: QED

thefadd.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:17:32 PM EST

none

Yeah, it would be a real shame to get the first black man in the white house, someone who actually lives up to his "Uniter Not A Divider" billing to the point where "racist" right wing extremists are coming this close to endorsing him. What a shitty candidate.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: QED

gerrymander.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:12:48 PM EST

4.00 (funny, astute)

someone who actually lives up to his "Uniter Not A Divider" billing

He's certainly done wonders within the Democratic Party so far.

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Re: QED

Lou.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:03:15 PM EST

none

Christ on a Crutch...you think he's worse than Hillary?  

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: QED

gerrymander.

Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:21:01 AM EST

4.00 (interesting, funny)

you think he's worse than Hillary?

To hold the presidency? Abso-fucking-lutely. Hillary has huge personal flaws, but "inability to read the political winds" is not among them. Mostly, she'd govern by the poll numbers. American electorate being what it is, that means she'd mostly take moderate positions unless there was some sort of national crisis.

As for Obama, I'm increasingly convinced he's either a gullible sap or so deep into his own head that he can't figure out when he's being taken for a ride. There's no other reason why he would make close personal friends with Wright, Ayers, and so on. Add that to the way his campaign has run so far, and I expect that his presidency would be about as open as Dubya's while having all the success of Carter's -- in other words, God help us all.

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Re: Already hatin'

ivyafire.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:10:25 PM EST

4.00 (funny)

 I used to think people hated her because of sexism.  This campaign has really opened my eyes to what a scummy, miserable, evil,  power mad, lying piece of crap she is.

Male, female, republican or fake democrat, whatever you call her, she's awful.

I'll write in Obama if she gets the nomination.   Or Mickey Mouse.  Anybody but her.

"It was an ancient rule of Hawaiians that no one should hurt another bodily, or through theft of goods or through injury to feelings.These were the only sins."

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Re: Already hatin'

zyxwvutsr.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:10:51 PM EST

1.33 (obnoxious, funny, obnoxious)

I used to think people hated her because of sexism.  This campaign has really opened my eyes...
Just imagine how many other things you believe that are wrong.

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Re: Already hatin'

Lou.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:58:07 PM EST

none

scummy, miserable, evil,  power mad, lying piece of crap she is.

What's worse is that she's not even good at it.  

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Already hatin'

ms sue.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:10:47 PM EST

none

I used to think people hated her because of sexism.

I think it was true for many people in the past, and I think it's true for many people today.

And while some truly despise her solely for perceived character faults and/or for substantive political issues, I believe that a portion of those people are gleeful to have found justification for their fear and dislike that are based primarily on her being a female -- and a particular kind of female.

I'm not voting for her in the primary, but I will vote for her if she gets the nomination because to do otherwise would be destructive behavior akin to a childish temper tantrum.

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Re: Already hatin'

ivyafire.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:30:09 PM EST

none

How so?  She already sold her own party out with that comment about voting for McCain before she'd vote for Obama.

At least the Republicans have party solidarity.    She's no Democrat, and if she gets the nomination, afaic it's like handing the Republican party the presidency on a silver platter.  Either way the vote goes, they win.

"It was an ancient rule of Hawaiians that no one should hurt another bodily, or through theft of goods or through injury to feelings.These were the only sins."

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Re: Already hatin'

ms sue.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:46:45 PM EST

none

How so?  She already sold her own party out with that comment about voting for McCain before she'd vote for Obama.

I'm not sure what your "How so?" refers to in my post. And I'm embarrassed to say that I did not know that Clinton said that she would vote for McCain before she'd vote for Obama. Can you link me to that so I can read it for myself, please?

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Re: Already hatin'

thefadd.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:42:16 PM EST

none

Hadn't seen that one either but here's an interesting nugget.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Already hatin'

ivyafire.

Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:55:47 AM EST

none

Oops, I misspoke, she said he was better qualified, thereby supporting the opposition instead of someone belonging to 'her' party.    

It was some of her rabid supporters who said they would vote for McCain if she didn't get the nomination.  A whole lot of pretend Democrats, it would seem.

Party solidarity is what works for the Republicans.  You'd think the Dems would figure that one out by now.  Sooner or later the Republican party gets behind 1 candidate.  T he Dems just keep on backstabbing and after the election they're standing around wondering why they've lost again.  It's aggravating.

"It was an ancient rule of Hawaiians that no one should hurt another bodily, or through theft of goods or through injury to feelings.These were the only sins."

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Re: Already hatin'

ivyafire.

Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:59:13 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant)


sorry, forgot the link

"It was an ancient rule of Hawaiians that no one should hurt another bodily, or through theft of goods or through injury to feelings.These were the only sins."

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Re: Already hatin'

ms sue.

Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:41:50 AM EST

none

Oops, I misspoke, she said he was  better qualified, thereby supporting the opposition instead of someone belonging to 'her' party.

I'm not sure how a candidate proclaiming their superior qualifications for office is either unusual or politically unethical.

As I said, I didn't vote for her. I would, however, vote for her over McCain. But it increasingly looks as if I won't have to do that.

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Re: Already hatin'

ivyafire.

Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:43:35 PM EST

none

It  was the context.  It was the whole vote for me, or vote for  him, but don't vote for that guy sound of it.  Vote for the other party before you vote for the guy on  my side who won't bow down and hand me the nomination I think I'm owed.

Throughout the entire campaign it's been about this is my election.  She doesn't give a damn about what the people want.   If she can't have the presidency, she would rather see the other team get it than someone else in her own party.  

That kind of ego has the potential to get us into all kinds of trouble if we let her take the wheel.  

"It was an ancient rule of Hawaiians that no one should hurt another bodily, or through theft of goods or through injury to feelings.These were the only sins."

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Re: Already hatin'

ms sue.

Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:28:12 PM EST

none

It's my turn to say "oops." I had misread your "Oops, I misspoke, she said he was  better qualified, thereby supporting the opposition instead of someone belonging to 'her' party." My eyes may have seen "she said he was better qualified," but my brain processed it as "she said she was better qualified"; hence, my last reply to you in which I wondered what was wrong with a candidate touting her own superior qualifications.

My apology.

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Re: Already hatin'

ivyafire.

Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:55:28 PM EST

none

no worries.

"It was an ancient rule of Hawaiians that no one should hurt another bodily, or through theft of goods or through injury to feelings.These were the only sins."

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Re: Already hatin'

zyxwvutsr.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:11:59 PM EST

none

...fear and dislike that are based primarily on her being a female -- and a particular kind of female
What kind of female is that?

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Twin trigger rifles are cool

Steve Urkel.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:54:54 PM EST

4.00 (informative)

That rifle isn't pointed at his head, his head is by the stock. Obamamaniacs need to tone down the racial paranoia.  

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The rifle

Lou.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:40:15 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Say, you don't suppose that's the weapon that killed Vince Foster, do you?

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: The rifle

Steve Urkel.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:55:16 PM EST

4.00 (funny)

I thought Hillary killed him accidentally during rough sex?

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The truth is out there.

MayorBob.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:15:09 PM EST

4.00 (funny)

She pummeled him to death with a stack of billing records.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Not racial

Lou.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:08:58 PM EST

none

I don't think it's a racial thing as much as it's directed towards anyone who has the audacity to run against her nibs.  All things being equal, it could just have easily been  Edward's picture lining up with the gun.

By the way...as a gun lover...what do you think of that spiffy left-handed bolt action action?

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Not racial

Steve Urkel.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:19:56 PM EST

none

I don't think Edwards supporters (all five of them) would've drawn the assasination implication.

Is that really a left handed model, or did someone flip a picture? Although I think it's a lot easier to get left handed rifles and pistols these days.

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Re: Not racial

Lou.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:28:02 PM EST

none

I read on a couple of gun sites that it is a Karabiner 98k with the picture reversed.  I doubt a German rifle from WWII would have that nifty scoring on the side...maybe a replica or something completely different?

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Not racial

Steve Urkel.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:49:17 PM EST

none

Infantry rifles don't have twin triggers, and I agree, that's a modern stock.  

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Re: Twin trigger rifles is cool

zyxwvutsr.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:16:42 PM EST

none

OMG! Reversed rifle photo!

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Re: Twin trigger rifles are coll

zyxwvutsr.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:22:22 PM EST

none

And, I might add, OMG! A hard-pressed, bitter Pennsylvanian clinging to his guns! Reversed!!!

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Re: Twin trigger rifles are coll

thefadd.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:18:15 PM EST

none

What the Clinton campaign photoshopped out of that pic was the Obama 08 sticker on the guy's ear muffs.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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I'm not going to line up with the economists.

MayorBob.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:04:42 AM EST

none

If a true statement, then we're all fucked and we'll be ordered to bring our own vaseline to the economy.  If not a true statement, then another sign that Hillary can't answer a straight question put to her without lying through her pearlie whites.  But, I'm wondering when Chris Wallace et al are going to put that question to John McCain?  Because the last time I checked, McCain thought a gas tax holiday was a nifty idea.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: I'm not going to line up with the economists.

Lou.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:35:14 AM EST

none

I'm wondering if they're even going to ask Hillz about it.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Hillz Already Got Asked The Question.

MayorBob.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:55:27 AM EST

none

I believe Chris Wallace already did and my subject line was a direct quote to his question about what she had to say whereby every respectable economist who was asked about the gas tax holiday thought it was a bad idea.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Hillz Already Got Asked The Question.

Lou.

Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:03:13 AM EST

none

my bad...that's what I get for not watching the news shows...on the flip side, I have been wonderfully free of angina from not watching the Sunday news shows.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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meh

wetkarma.

Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:05:59 AM EST

none

if you can't think of a reason to dislike Hilary Clinton beyond what she has done on the campaign trail in the past few weeks, then your opinion is being shaped far more by people in the media than your innate philosophy.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Meh, indeed

Lou.

Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:04:59 AM EST

4.00 (funny)

then your opinion is being shaped far more by people in the media than your innate philosophy.

It's a pity really.  Hilz and I haven't had the nice confabs over tea like we used to.  In fact, it's been years.  Given that, there really isn't a way for me to see what my old girlfriend is up to other than what I find in the media.  It's sad when old friends fall out, but it does happen.  Especially to those folks who have a less ridged world view than others.

Just out of curiosity, other than through the media, how did you develop your opinion of Clinton/Bush/McCain/Dalhmer, et al?

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Re: Meh, indeed

wetkarma.

Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:01:20 AM EST

4.00 (astute)

My opinion of all those (Dahlmer?) were shaped by a variety of sources, but for Clinton in particular, I found it most useful to judge her by her political record in the Senate and her political activity while "co-president".

So off the top of my head:

  1. I dislike her for sponsoring a flag-burning amendment to the Constitution. This action tells me that she is either a panderer to popular opinion (not necessarily a bad thing in a representative, but poor form in a senator or president), has little reverence for the constitution, disagrees with my personal stance on freedom or some combination of the above.

  2.  I think her speech when voting for the Iraq war was disingenious in the extreme. I have no problem with that she voted for the war but the fact that as she was doing so she was explaining that her vote didn't really mean she was authorizing the president to go to war makes her either naive, obtuse or so cynical as to think I'm stupid. Again -- perhaps some combination thereof.

  3. Her "it takes a village" philosophy described in her book and her point that her policies were intend to use government to take confiscate assets from those who have it and spend it on her policy gives me chills. ""The other day the oil companies reported the highest profits in the history of the world. I want to take those profits and I want to put them into a strategic energy fund that will begin to fund alternative smart energy alternatives and technologies that will begin to actually move us toward the direction of independence..." -Hillary Clinton"

Note: all this stuff has occured over years and tends to reflect a consistent personality which thinks I'm too stupid to run my own life and make my own choices. She might be the right leader for some portion of the population but not for me.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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uncloaked

1fastdog.

Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:02:22 PM EST

5.00 (funny, astute, brilliant)

all this stuff has occured over years and tends to reflect a consistent personality which thinks I'm too stupid to run my own life and make my own choices.

So what you're really saying is something I've long known: she's a Republican.

Somewhere in my soul, there's always Rock -n- Roll... Joe Strummer

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Re: Meh, indeed

Lou.

Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:17:36 AM EST

4.50 (funny, brilliant)

So, it all comes down to opinion shaped by a variety of sources (and I agree with you for the most part by the way).  It sounds like we're on the same page.  I'm sorry this diary entry engaged your "meh* factor".  I just wanted something to kvetch about.

*This could be a great idea for a cable talk show.  The Meh Factor with Wetkarma.

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